Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot
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A doctrine that has to set the new birth prior to faith is messed up... but then the "bondage of the will" dogma necessitates it be in
reverse order... there is so much contrary to scripture it is unfathomable.
I guess John the Baptist missed out on the T in TULIP.. he should have stated....
"Some of you will be forced to Repent"
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"Repentance will come to some of you .... the rest are out of luck, for it is written God will have mercy on whom He will have mercy"
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"Repentance is not possible because your will is on bondage, but thankfully God will select a few of you for Redemption"
what did John the Baptist tell the people..
“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
reverse order... there is so much contrary to scripture it is unfathomable.
I guess John the Baptist missed out on the T in TULIP.. he should have stated....
"Some of you will be forced to Repent"
or
"Repentance will come to some of you .... the rest are out of luck, for it is written God will have mercy on whom He will have mercy"
or
"Repentance is not possible because your will is on bondage, but thankfully God will select a few of you for Redemption"
what did John the Baptist tell the people..
“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
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This thread makes me think of these verses.
Mark:37-39
“Whoever welcomes one of these little children in My name welcomes Me, and whoever welcomes Me welcomes not only Me, but the One who sent Me.” John said to Him, “Teacher, we saw someone else driving out demons in Your name, and we tried to stop him, because he does not accompany us.” “Do not stop him,” Jesus replied. “For no one who performs a miracle in My name can turn around and speak evil of Me.
And Luke 9:49,50
“Master,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in Your name, and we tried to stop him, because he does not accompany us.” “Do not stop him,” Jesus replied, “for whoever is not against you is for you.”…
We are BOTH proclaiming salvation the same and only way, I know one side might argue this, but I believe both sides of this debate to be saved, yet the fight rages on. It's a disgrace to all of us, but it disgraces our King even more. I don't know what else to say here really, it's just an embarrassment to Jesus and I just feel ashamed to be part of it. I hope all of you have a great day and I'll be around.
Mark:37-39
“Whoever welcomes one of these little children in My name welcomes Me, and whoever welcomes Me welcomes not only Me, but the One who sent Me.” John said to Him, “Teacher, we saw someone else driving out demons in Your name, and we tried to stop him, because he does not accompany us.” “Do not stop him,” Jesus replied. “For no one who performs a miracle in My name can turn around and speak evil of Me.
And Luke 9:49,50
“Master,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in Your name, and we tried to stop him, because he does not accompany us.” “Do not stop him,” Jesus replied, “for whoever is not against you is for you.”…
We are BOTH proclaiming salvation the same and only way, I know one side might argue this, but I believe both sides of this debate to be saved, yet the fight rages on. It's a disgrace to all of us, but it disgraces our King even more. I don't know what else to say here really, it's just an embarrassment to Jesus and I just feel ashamed to be part of it. I hope all of you have a great day and I'll be around.
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Don't compound your sins with false accusations. Your false theology is already very grievous error. I have interpreted nothing falsely and my posts make you a liar. Also I always interpret Scripture properly and you will not find a single post of mine twisting the Word (as Calvinists do).
I have shown in several posts that Calvin was compelled to properly interpret Scriptures showing that salvation is for all men, and then he contradicted the Word with his own WARPED theology and changed that to "the elect".
I have shown in several posts that Calvin was compelled to properly interpret Scriptures showing that salvation is for all men, and then he contradicted the Word with his own WARPED theology and changed that to "the elect".
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There's so much emotion going around on here in this thread with no real bible discussions but you made a good one to start. I do agree what the scripture says and "regeneration before faith" is false. Here is more of what the Bible says:
. . . that BELIEVING YE MIGHT HAVE LIFE through his name. -- John 20:31
. . . he that BELIEVETH NOT the Son SHALL NOT SEE LIFE . . . -- John 3:36
. . . to them which should hereafter BELIEVE on him TO LIFE everlasting. -- 1 Tim. 1:16
. . . For ye are all the CHILDREN of God BY FAITH in Christ Jesus. -- Gal. 3:26
Our texts DEMAND that faith or belief precedes said life or regeneration.
. . . that BELIEVING YE MIGHT HAVE LIFE through his name. -- John 20:31
. . . he that BELIEVETH NOT the Son SHALL NOT SEE LIFE . . . -- John 3:36
. . . to them which should hereafter BELIEVE on him TO LIFE everlasting. -- 1 Tim. 1:16
. . . For ye are all the CHILDREN of God BY FAITH in Christ Jesus. -- Gal. 3:26
Our texts DEMAND that faith or belief precedes said life or regeneration.
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Walk by faith the unseen eternal. And then you will not have to carry out the desires of the flesh.
Only God can se into the hearts of all men and give them a desire to believe the unseen.
No one is having the faith of Christ' labor of love that works in us in respect to dead men .That's the foundation of necromancy. Blaspheme . Catholics legion of patron saint stuff . Calvin is dead. Just as Peter their Pope.
Christians do not wrestle against flesh and blood .The temporal things seen .They or we have the power of Christ working in us enabling us to over come.
You could say according to the description of the bride of Christ. Those who do wrestle against the things of the flesh having the power to overcome.
Jacob in a dream or vision was renamed Israel to represent the bride of Christ the church.
Genesis 32:24=28 King James Version (KJV) And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
The born again name .
In chapter 35 he reveals she represents all the nations .And again in Acts she was renamed Christian a more befitting name for the bride made up of all the nations of the world
Genesis 35:9-11 King James Version (KJV) And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came out of Padanaram, and blessed him. And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel. And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
A nation and a company of nations called the Christian nation. We do not wrestle against nations.
Exodus 32:26
“Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.”
Doing some police work wouldn't do. The result may only hurt you. Take your choice whether you are of this side or the other side but I choose on the LORD's side.
“Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.”
Doing some police work wouldn't do. The result may only hurt you. Take your choice whether you are of this side or the other side but I choose on the LORD's side.
Do we need a special invite to respond to others' posts? 
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It isn't hard to figure you out. Trollish behavior is easy to spot. Deliberately seeking out people who are not even paying attention to you and goading them is trollish behavior. What fruit is it you think you are actually growing? You like to talk about fruit, but you display very questionable behavior towards others and offer little if any substantive responses.
Maybe you can tell us why a person who posts no scripture and declares they are a Calvinist has so captured your attention?
Maybe you can tell us why a person who posts no scripture and declares they are a Calvinist has so captured your attention?
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You have not posted any scripture in this thread. I have posted quite a bit and responded with evidence as to why Calvinism is an ism and not actually Christianity. You post nothing but memes and an occasional sarcastic remark.
That is trollish behavior and most of us here know that and call you out on it.
You have offered ZERO with regards to anything a person could respond to with serious intent, but rather, from all intents, think the whole thing is a joke and create diversions so as to deflate any actual conversation that might take place. You seem more like a cartoon than the memes you constantly post.
That, is what is factual.
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