Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

[EleventhHour]

You mean just like how you twist scripture to try and make the Atonement of Christ applied to ALL of Mankind, believers and unbelievers?

Is Salvation the Gift of GOD or does it come by your understanding the Gospel and causing yourself to believe?

If it comes by your understanding the Gospel and causing yourself to believe then who are you really worshipping???

This is rich.... twisting scripture.

Calvinism is well known for denying context and changing the meaning of words.

How this unsound, against Truth doctrine has crept into the churches is downright tragic.

But then not surprised... how better to subvert truth than from within, with all those high profile teachers and all their published books and there are many.

 

[1ofthem]

Repentance is a work of God. like with all he must do the first work giving ears to hear his understand. Having his understanding empowered by Him we can seek after him.

Romans3:10-11 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one. There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

I agree that no one gets saved without being drawn. When the drawing convicting Spirit comes to someone who is being drawn, then the Holy Spirit convicts of sin , of righteousness, and of judgement. He brings the truth, and Jesus said if I be lifted up I will draw all men to myself. He draws all but not all will accept him.

 

[EleventhHour]

The land of Cannon he said......Yawn.....

Christ's doctrine is hidden from most of his regenerated children <-that takes the cake for one of the most scripturally inept things I have ever seen on this site....man....you need to GO BACK to Sunday School and to a church that does not peddle Calvinism!....

Yes you know.....

The Land of Canon is to the North of Kodak, nestled between Fuji Film and Nikon.

(Trying to keep my sense of humor about me)

 

[ForestGreenCook]

God draws us and we accept. Just like Jesus offers in Matthew 11:28-30. You say we’re claiming to save ourselves when we’ve never said anything even remotely close to that.

Respectfully, I think what Grandpa is suggesting, is that you are making your eternal deliverance your choice by accepting his offer, when, in actuality, God never offered you a choice. It was God's will that Jesus was to be a sacrifice to pay for the sins of his elect. Jesus's offering was to God, for God's acceptance, and not to man for man's acceptance. Jesus died only for those that God gave him, and every one of them will live in heaven with him, without losing any of them. John 6:37-40.

John 15:16, Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you,.......and ordained (make, purpose= Greek meaning) you.

While I am in John 15, I might call your attention to verse 18; If the "world" hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. This is not the same "world" as found in John 3:16, God loved the "world" of those who believe, and only his sheep hear his voice,(to believe), and he knows them, and they follow him. John 10:27.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Yes you know.....

The Land of Canon is to the North of Kodak, nestled between Fuji Film and Nikon.

(Trying to keep my sense of humor about me)

You two are a good match, are you sure you are not married to each other? I, also, try to keep my sense of humor about me, but when discussing the scriptures, we should be more serious, don't you think, instead of making jokes and derogatory comments.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I agree that no one gets saved without being drawn. When the drawing convicting Spirit comes to someone who is being drawn, then the Holy Spirit convicts of sin , of righteousness, and of judgement. He brings the truth, and Jesus said if I be lifted up I will draw all men to myself. He draws all but not all will accept him.

Eternal salvation by God's grace is not an offer to be accepted. It was God's will that Jesus would be a sacrifice for the sins of his elect (those that God gave him). The sacrifice was not offered to man for man's acceptance, but to God for God's acceptance.

 

[EleventhHour]

Maybe you cannot read....you sound just like Preacher 4 Calvin reincarnate.....this time....read slowly what I said genius

sound just like

So true, the same "canned" responses almost verbatim.

Accuse of .........................Universalism, Pelaganism, Arminianism, freewillers, denying the sovereignty of God, taking credit for your salvation... etc.,

 

[Grandpa]

This is rich.... twisting scripture.

Calvinism is well known for denying context and changing the meaning of words.

How this unsound, against Truth doctrine has crept into the churches is downright tragic.

But then not surprised... how better to subvert truth than from within, with all those high profile teachers and all their published books and there are many.

Calvinism doesn't deny context or change the meaning of words.

It just denies the philosophy of men who think they came to God because of their wisdom and understanding and strength.

In all the places where men think they can prove it was from their wisdom and understanding and strength the Calvinist can show that those scriptures are misunderstood by the humanist and worshipper of their own will.

 

[Grandpa]

Funny how he has been quarantined from CC and just like that new calvi’s join this site and come directly to this thread. Like a dying wasp releasing hormones to call in support.

Iconoclast has been here since 2017.

You got here when?

Funny how new free willers join this site and come directly to this thread.

Never heard of you on here before this thread. Never heard of a few others, just like you, before this thread.

 

[awelight]

I'm gonna go with the 5 Koalas.

That kind of a reply is mean spirited and worldly. You have said something that means nothing. Do you know not God? Use the Scriptures, so this can remain a Bible discussion. Please.

 

[Duskey]

Respectfully, I think what Grandpa is suggesting, is that you are making your eternal deliverance your choice by accepting his offer, when, in actuality, God never offered you a choice. It was God's will that Jesus was to be a sacrifice to pay for the sins of his elect. Jesus's offering was to God, for God's acceptance, and not to man for man's acceptance. Jesus died only for those that God gave him, and every one of them will live in heaven with him, without losing any of them. John 6:37-40.

John 15:16, Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you,.......and ordained (make, purpose= Greek meaning) you.

While I am in John 15, I might call your attention to verse 18; If the "world" hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. This is not the same "world" as found in John 3:16, God loved the "world" of those who believe, and only his sheep hear his voice,(to believe), and he knows them, and they follow him. John 10:27.

Always with respect, Jesus, in John 15:16, is speaking directly to His disciples specifically about them, not the world or elect.

When Jesus is talking to a group of people specifically about them, you see His words going beyond that specific group of people. However when Jesus uses the word world in John: 3:16, you minimize the word world to mean only some specific people.

 

[awelight]

Gosh, Calvinists are so proud of their humility . . . thank goodness for airline bags.

Don't confuse PRIDE with CONVICTION.

 

[Duskey]

Iconoclast has been here since 2017.

You got here when?

Funny how new free willers join this site and come directly to this thread.

Never heard of you on here before this thread. Never heard of a few others, just like you, before this thread.

It’s not surprising you never heard of me or a few others considering the fact you never heard the True Gospel of Jesus Christ. Besides, I never mentioned any names.

 

[Duskey]

That kind of a reply is mean spirited and worldly. You have said something that means nothing. Do you know not God? Use the Scriptures, so this can remain a Bible discussion. Please.

You’re getting in a twist over a post that’s almost two years old. 😆

 

[Grandpa]

It’s not surprising you never heard of me or a few others considering the fact you never heard the True Gospel of Jesus Christ. Besides, I never mentioned any names.

Yeah, well I don't go to a Reformed Church so my only opportunity to hear the gospel came from humanists and legalists and those who worship their own wills.

Thankfully, there's this thing called the Bible that I can read for myself and not just take the word of "scholars" such as yourself.

 

[EleventhHour]

Calvinism doesn't deny context or change the meaning of words.

Why is it then only Calvinists have trouble with the meaning of "all" "whosoever" "everyone"

We accept this as true.
Romans 5:12 states, “. . . all have sinned.”
Do you deny all have sinned?

Yes Calvinism denies this statement as meaning "all"
18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

Tell me are you afraid the new converts to Calvinism might see through this falsehood?

 

[lenna]

That kind of a reply is mean spirited and worldly. You have said something that means nothing. Do you know not God? Use the Scriptures, so this can remain a Bible discussion. Please.

you quote a post from Nov 12. 2018

he will not discuss anything with you

 

[lenna]

You’re getting in a twist over a post that’s almost two years old. 😆

I thought that dude was banned

 

[Grandpa]

Why is it then only Calvinists have trouble with the meaning of "all" "whosoever" "everyone"

We accept this as true.
Romans 5:12 states, “. . . all have sinned.”
Do you deny all have sinned?

Yes Calvinism denies this statement as meaning "all"
18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

Tell me are you afraid the new converts to Calvinism might see through this falsehood?

Anyone who reads Romans 5:18 MUST deny YOUR definition of "all.

If we go with your definition of "all" in Romans 5:18 then ALL PEOPLE are justified and given Eternal Life.

But that contradicts half of the rest of the bible.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

If a person is Justified and Saved by God how can they simultaneously be under condemnation??? They can't. If a person is Justified and Saved then they are Righteous before God, not condemned.

See, your silly philosophy is easily contradicted. Just have to use common sense. You don't have to go to Calvinism to ask them if you are wrong.

 

[EleventhHour]

Anyone who reads Romans 5:18 MUST deny YOUR definition of "all.

If we go with your definition of "all" in Romans 5:18 then ALL PEOPLE are justified and given Eternal Life.

But that contradicts half of the rest of the bible.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

If a person is Justified and Saved by God how can they simultaneously be under condemnation??? They can't. If a person is Justified and Saved then they are Righteous before God, not condemned.

See, your silly philosophy is easily contradicted. Just have to use common sense. You don't have to go to Calvinism to ask them if you are wrong.

So "all" have not sinned?