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throughfaith

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Do you have a verse that says only Jews have to repent and be baptised?
I disagree, now please go back to your comment that I took note of and follow the context of your assertion.

"I think my question is more reasonable. I have no issue with being water baptised after one is baptised by the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ . My issue is with all this nonsense about Acts 2.38 being used for Gentiles .
Acts 2.38 is not for Jews or Gentiles today. It was specific for the Jewish audience Peter was addressing at that time . "



Here is the issue Acts 2:38 is not the end of the context of what Peter said. You would be correct IF you remove Acts 2:39

which states by Peter :



For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

Verse 39 is parallel to what Jesus said in Matthew 28 and Mark 16. Also, Acts 2:38 is speaking to the jews the final context did not end with ONLY the Jews AS Jesus said the Gospel message was for "ALL".

You took Acts 2:38 and shorten the context because Acts 2 ends at verse 40, and the very end of the chapter not 38.
Who's Children ? Who's Peter talking to ? Remember he has no clue about Gentiles included yet.
 

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I disagree, now please go back to your comment that I took note of and follow the context of your assertion.

"I think my question is more reasonable. I have no issue with being water baptised after one is baptised by the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ . My issue is with all this nonsense about Acts 2.38 being used for Gentiles .
Acts 2.38 is not for Jews or Gentiles today. It was specific for the Jewish audience Peter was addressing at that time . "



Here is the issue Acts 2:38 is not the end of the context of what Peter said. You would be correct IF you remove Acts 2:39

which states by Peter :



For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

Verse 39 is parallel to what Jesus said in Matthew 28 and Mark 16. Also, Acts 2:38 is speaking to the jews the final context did not end with ONLY the Jews AS Jesus said the Gospel message was for "ALL".

You took Acts 2:38 and shorten the context because Acts 2 ends at verse 40, and the very end of the chapter not 38.
Notice the sins they need to be aware of. And who hes taking to .
22¶Ye men of ISRAEL , hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God AMOUNG YOU by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of YOU , as ye yourselves also know:
23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, YE have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
 

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Who's Children ? Who's Peter talking to ? Remember he has no clue about Gentiles included yet.
You must take what Jesus said and all of what Peter said in the whole chapter Acts 2:38 is not the full context of the Chapter Nor is the Jews the only people needing to be baptized. You said:

"My issue is with all this nonsense about Acts 2.38 being used for Gentiles."

if you read verse 39 it is not nonsense. IF you read Matthew 28 it is not nonsense. If you read in context what Jesus said with Peter you will see the Gospel message to the JEWS FIRST THEN to ALL. Just as Jesus said to do.
 

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Notice the sins they need to be aware of. And who hes taking to .
22¶Ye men of ISRAEL , hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God AMOUNG YOU by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of YOU , as ye yourselves also know:
23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, YE have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
that's right he was speaking to the Jews that were there yes, but Acts 3:38 did not limit Gentiles from being baptized as Verse 39 says. You do not take one verse in scripture and build a doctrine around it. Peter did not change what Jesus said
 

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You must take what Jesus said and all of what Peter said in the whole chapter Acts 2:38 is not the full context of the Chapter Nor is the Jews the only people needing to be baptized. You said:

"My issue is with all this nonsense about Acts 2.38 being used for Gentiles."

if you read verse 39 it is not nonsense. IF you read Matthew 28 it is not nonsense. If you read in context what Jesus said with Peter you will see the Gospel message to the JEWS FIRST THEN to ALL. Just as Jesus said to do.
I never said Gentiles should not be baptised . Just like i believe we should take communion. But not for the remission of sins .
 

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I never said Gentiles should not be baptized. Just like i believe we should take communion. But not for the remission of sins .
Baptism spoken in Acts 2 does not take away sin.
 

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that's right he was speaking to the Jews that were there yes, but Acts 3:38 did not limit Gentiles from being baptized as Verse 39 says. You do not take one verse in scripture and build a doctrine around it. Peter did not change what Jesus said
I've never said Gentiles should not be baptised.
 

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Baptism spoken in Acts 2 does not take away sin.
And the sin is what they did which Paul mentions . They need to change their minds ( repent ) from thinking he was a criminal deserving to die . " crucify him ! " . To realising that He is the only proper basis for the remission of sins. Signified by being baptised. Then they would recieve the Holy Spirit .This is not what we should be preaching today .
 

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They have to do it for the remission of sin . Thats what it says .
Again not taking all that is said in one verse with the full chapter or full context of the book.

the context of "remission of Sins is in the repentance and acceptance of Jesus as Lord and savior. Baptism was not for salvation but affirming what they acted on in Faith.
 

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Baptism spoken in Acts 2 does not take away sin.
Notice also in acts 3 peter again to Israel .
14But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

15And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

16And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

17¶And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.

18But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Again we should not preach this today.
 

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Notice also in acts 3 peter again to Israel .
14But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

15And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

16And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

17¶And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.

18But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Again we should not preach this today.

The Gospel message is the death burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
 

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And the sin is what they did which Paul mentions . They need to change their minds ( repent ) from thinking he was a criminal deserving to die . " crucify him ! " . To realising that He is the only proper basis for the remission of sins. Signified by being baptised. Then they would recieve the Holy Spirit .This is not what we should be preaching today .
Sorry Peter not Paul .
 

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Again not taking all that is said in one verse with the full chapter or full context of the book.

the context of "remission of Sins is in the repentance and acceptance of Jesus as Lord and savior. Baptism was not for salvation but affirming what they acted on in Faith.
But what does it actually say in Acts 2.38 ? Peter is speaking directly to those Jews who did something specific that they needed to repent of then they needed to DO something FOR something in order to recieve the Holy Spirit . That is not how a person is saved today at all . In spite of certain denominations trying to insist that it is . This is what happens when you take the book of ACTS out of context . Its an account of the transitions. Its not for getting doctrines.
 

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Sorry Peter not Paul .

Few things Acts 2:38 does not say but must be answered before one can do what Peter says in verse 38. I will post and you can tell me how ok?

Acts 3:38
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the [a]remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.


questions you need to answer :

  1. What are they repenting for?
  2. What are they being baptized for?
  3. what remission of sins?
 

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Few things Acts 2:38 does not say but must be answered before one can do what Peter says in verse 38. I will post and you can tell me how ok?

Acts 3:38
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the [a]remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.


questions you need to answer :

  1. What are they repenting for?
  2. What are they being baptized for?
  3. what remission of sins?
1) Acts 2.23
23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

2) for the remission of sins

3) The wording of your question is unclear?
 

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1) Acts 2.23
23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

2) for the remission of sins

3) The wording of your question is unclear?
  1. they are having changed mind repenting of not accepting Jesus as the Messiah
  2. They are being baptized publicly announce they accept Jesus as the Messiah and were baptized to show they are now followers of HIM.
  3. the sins they are needing remission from is that of NO Faith