Calvinists are preaching a false message .

[CS1]

Calvinism is a distinct theological system. Cessationalism is a particular view on the ' gifts ' . Cessationalism is not unique to any particular systematic. Calvinism is distinctive with the system of T.U.L.I.P.

theology is the study of God. Doctrine is teaching formulated from something like the word of God known as the bible, our Theology comes from the Bible where we get our doctrine or teaching. Calvinist formulated a doctrine they see in the Bible in context to " Election and the Elect. Very simple, as a pentecostal I am shocked those Calvinist here have not given me an amen because I have defended them very well. Wimps lol. J/king

 

[CS1]

I think its a bad comparison. Cessationalism is not an entire theological system / worldview within christianity. Its a minor topic on the sign gifts. Its not a Gospel issue.

that is your opinion but it is very much a point.

 

[throughfaith]

The ancient Jewish betrothal mirrors God's plan and order of salvation in many ways. This may help some you understand.

In the days of Ancient Israel, a particular and detailed procedure of courtship and marriage was an integral part of Jewish social life; however it differs somewhat from what is commonly practiced today. To begin with, the father in consultation with his wife and son would look for a prospective bride for his son, or for his daughter a prospective husband. He would search and choose the one that, he believed, would be the best. The wise and loving father would be close enough and sensitive to his son, so as to confer with him and work with him in this selection process. In Genesis 24:8 and 58, there is a situation with Rebecca, in which she was asked about the proposed marriage to Isaac; and, only after she consented, did her family proceed with the plans.
Courtship and marriage were viewed as the united of two families by the Hebrews, so arrangements were initiated by the parents of the young man and the bride elect. Marriage was a family matter. The story of Ruth and Boaz in The Book of Ruth tells of a beautiful illustration of all this. The matrimonial decision was a committee process with the person and his or her parents each having a loving, conservative, farsighted veto-power (that is, concerning whom not to marry, but not necessarily whom to marry – a very important distinction; this decision-making process today is so often misunderstood in two extremes that should be avoided: the arranging of a marriage totally by the parents on the one extreme and totally by the child on the other extreme.) The principle here was found in the Fifth Commandment to “honor your father and your mother” being applied to matrimony: one must honor one’s father and mother in this most important decision in life. This committee process was at the beginning “just friends” stage of a relationship before any emotional attachments began. (Often, in any difference of opinion and judgment a matter of time would bring a resolution; by waiting each person involved would find more details about the others, where there is also room for change to occur on the part of each person.)
The first step in this courtship and marriage process was betrothal, where the young man and his father negotiate with the bride elect’s family and to decide on a “bridal price,” the most essential element in the process (Gen. 34:12; Exod. 22:16; 1 Sam. 18:25). This bridal price was a determined amount that the son and his father were to pay the parents of the chosen bride. This had nothing to do with a “purchasing” attitude, but rather the fact was that the Hebrews considered daughters of great value. For this the parents of the young woman were to be compensated.
Once the bridegroom paid this bridal price, a sacred and binding “betrothal covenant” was established and entered into by the son and his bride elect and their parents.
The betrothal ceremony was scheduled and took place before witnesses. It was accompanied by vows with the exchange of an arrabon, such as rings, or other such items symbolizing a commitment. The ring was regarded as a token of fidelity and of adoption into a family. The moment that the covenant was established, a lifetime commitment went into force. This commitment was based upon the simple promise of “keeping one’s word” to secure the marriage, as long as both live. Any adultery or divorce involved simply the breaking of this binding promise and would become a loss of honor in the family. The bride was declared “sanctified,” that is, set apart exclusively for her bridegroom.

Which verses are you referring to ?

 

[throughfaith]

theology is the study of God. Doctrine is teaching formulated from something like the word of God known as the bible, our Theology comes from the Bible where we get our doctrine or teaching. Calvinist formulated a doctrine they see in the Bible in context to " Election and the Elect. Very simple, as a pentecostal I am shocked those Calvinist here have not given me an amen because I have defended them very well. Wimps lol. J/king

Most Christians defend Calvinism because they are unwittingly believing some parts of it .

 

[CS1]

The ancient Jewish betrothal mirrors God's plan and order of salvation in many ways. This may help some you understand.

In the days of Ancient Israel, a particular and detailed procedure of courtship and marriage was an integral part of Jewish social life; however it differs somewhat from what is commonly practiced today. To begin with, the father in consultation with his wife and son would look for a prospective bride for his son, or for his daughter a prospective husband. He would search and choose the one that, he believed, would be the best. The wise and loving father would be close enough and sensitive to his son, so as to confer with him and work with him in this selection process. In Genesis 24:8 and 58, there is a situation with Rebecca, in which she was asked about the proposed marriage to Isaac; and, only after she consented, did her family proceed with the plans.
Courtship and marriage were viewed as the united of two families by the Hebrews, so arrangements were initiated by the parents of the young man and the bride elect. Marriage was a family matter. The story of Ruth and Boaz in The Book of Ruth tells of a beautiful illustration of all this. The matrimonial decision was a committee process with the person and his or her parents each having a loving, conservative, farsighted veto-power (that is, concerning whom not to marry, but not necessarily whom to marry – a very important distinction; this decision-making process today is so often misunderstood in two extremes that should be avoided: the arranging of a marriage totally by the parents on the one extreme and totally by the child on the other extreme.) The principle here was found in the Fifth Commandment to “honor your father and your mother” being applied to matrimony: one must honor one’s father and mother in this most important decision in life. This committee process was at the beginning “just friends” stage of a relationship before any emotional attachments began. (Often, in any difference of opinion and judgment a matter of time would bring a resolution; by waiting each person involved would find more details about the others, where there is also room for change to occur on the part of each person.)
The first step in this courtship and marriage process was betrothal, where the young man and his father negotiate with the bride elect’s family and to decide on a “bridal price,” the most essential element in the process (Gen. 34:12; Exod. 22:16; 1 Sam. 18:25). This bridal price was a determined amount that the son and his father were to pay the parents of the chosen bride. This had nothing to do with a “purchasing” attitude, but rather the fact was that the Hebrews considered daughters of great value. For this the parents of the young woman were to be compensated.
Once the bridegroom paid this bridal price, a sacred and binding “betrothal covenant” was established and entered into by the son and his bride elect and their parents.
The betrothal ceremony was scheduled and took place before witnesses. It was accompanied by vows with the exchange of an arrabon, such as rings, or other such items symbolizing a commitment. The ring was regarded as a token of fidelity and of adoption into a family. The moment that the covenant was established, a lifetime commitment went into force. This commitment was based upon the simple promise of “keeping one’s word” to secure the marriage, as long as both live. Any adultery or divorce involved simply the breaking of this binding promise and would become a loss of honor in the family. The bride was declared “sanctified,” that is, set apart exclusively for her bridegroom.

Good lord very long break it up guy come on work with us here. Simplify man

 

[phil36]

Most Christians defend Calvinism because they are unwittingly believing some parts of it .

So is your theology the correct way to understand what the scriptures say?

 

[throughfaith]

1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;

5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;

6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:

7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

that is your opinion but it is very much a point.

I don't see the comparison? Cessationalism simply holds to the sign gifts not being in operation today . This is minor point compared to T.U.L.I.P.

 

[throughfaith]

So is your theology the correct way to understand what the scriptures say?

I don't have a theology . I'm not adhering or promoting any so called 'giant of the faith ' with a beard lol 😆 i believe the bible. I do not see 1 point of Calvinism in there .

 

[phil36]

I don't see the comparison? Cessationalism simply holds to the sign gifts not being in operation today . This is minor point compared to T.U.L.I.P.

I think that is what CS1 is showing you 'you don't see'. Its a theological system ... you have one aswell, but you don't see it!

 

[Magenta]

The central truth of God’s saving grace is succinctly stated in the assertion, “Salvation is of the Lord.” This strong declaration means that every aspect of man’s salvation is from God and is entirely dependent upon God. The only contribution that we make is the sin that was laid upon Jesus Christ at the cross. The Apostle Paul affirmed this when he wrote, “From Him and through Him and to Him are all things” (Rom. 11:36). This is to say, salvation is God determined, God purchased, God applied, and God secured. From start to finish, salvation is of the Lord alone.

This truth is best summarized in the doctrines of grace, which are total depravity, unconditional election, definite atonement, effectual calling, and preserving grace. These truths present the triune God as the author of our salvation from beginning to end. Each member of the Godhead—Father, Son, and Spirit—has a part to play in redemption, and they work together as one God to rescue those perishing under divine wrath. In perfect unity, the three divine persons do the work that hellbound sinners, utterly unable to save themselves, cannot do.

Steve Lawson.

Do you accept the gospel? Are you not responsible for this choice? Or are you a puppet?

I think it is the most important choice one makes in this life

That is NOT to say God does not make it possible. He most certainly does

 

[CS1]

Most Christians defend Calvinism because they are unwittingly believing some parts of it .

so now we are not intelligent unwittingly or unconsciously. Come on, you were doing so well then you result back to insults of others.

You do yourself no favors by insulting those who do not agree with you.

 

[throughfaith]

so now we are not intelligent unwittingly or unconsciously. Come on, you were doing so well then you result back to insults of others.

You do yourself no favors by insulting those who do not agree with you.

I know, because i used to do it.

 

[CS1]

I don't have a theology . I'm not adhering or promoting any so called 'giant of the faith ' with a beard lol 😆 i believe the bible. I do not see 1 point of Calvinism in there .

Yes, you do have a Theology lol. The term Theology is Greek two types of Theology you use if you are unaware or should I say unwittlyingly knowing of are 1. Biblical theology 2. Systematic Theology.

Biblical theology gives special attention to the teachings of individual authors and sections of Scripture and frames each teaching within the historical development of Scripture. It answers questions like, “How does the teaching about prayer develop over the history of the Old Testament and then the New Testament?” These questions come close to the questions that systematic theology answers, like, “What does the whole Bible teach us today about prayer?”



Systematic theology:
is applicable to life today
The term Trinity isn't in the Bible. Neither is incarnation. But both describe concepts based on a combination of biblical teachings. Systematic theology summarizes doctrines about modern-day topics like these.

 

[throughfaith]

I think that is what CS1 is showing you 'you don't see'. Its a theological system ... you have one aswell, but you don't see it!

Which one do i have ?

 

[CS1]

Which one do i have ?

you should know LOL

 

[throughfaith]

Yes, you do have a Theology lol. The term Theology is Greek two types of Theology you use if you are unaware or should I say unwittlyingly knowing of are 1. Biblical theology 2. Systematic Theology.

Biblical theology gives special attention to the teachings of individual authors and sections of Scripture and frames each teaching within the historical development of Scripture. It answers questions like, “How does the teaching about prayer develop over the history of the Old Testament and then the New Testament?” These questions come close to the questions that systematic theology answers, like, “What does the whole Bible teach us today about prayer?”



Systematic theology:
is applicable to life today
The term Trinity isn't in the Bible. Neither is incarnation. But both describe concepts based on a combination of biblical teachings. Systematic theology summarizes doctrines about modern-day topics like these.

I don't label my self an ' ism ' was my point .

 

[throughfaith]

you should know LOL

I don't hold to a ' systematic theology ' like ' pentacostal ' or Arminian/ Calvernist. ect .

 

[throughfaith]

you should know LOL

'bible believer '

 

[CS1]

I don't label my self an ' ism ' was my point .

FYI theology is not an ism, it is a term describing the study of God.

 

[CS1]

'bible believer '

You are a bible Believer huh? can you tell me what the word "Bible" means without googling it?