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If you want to see how strange my geography is, ask me where island nations are. I'm likely to place them at the wrong side of the world. lol
I don't know why Ottawa didn't have a strike. (I was a kid, so just went for a ride with my dad. Boring ride, although we crossed the Mississippi. It was a tiny creek, but its name was "Mississippi." lol) I do remember thinking the beer seller was rude. Even in the 60s, it was common knowledge that Canadians learn English and French every year in school. We don't know French. Dad was asking for beer in a beer store and the guy pretended he didn't understand English. Dad named the beer he wanted. (Don't remember what he got anymore.) The guy still pretended not to understand. It's the same word in either language for crying out loud. Fortunately, Dad is all about money, so the guy couldn't cheat him out on change. lol
Kingston? That's the big town we went to to buy groceries before going to the cabin. (I was going to mention Kingston, but didn't think you'd know the other side of the country that well.) All I know about Kingston is that's where the real grocery store was. (Petro station/post office/ice cream parlor/clothing store/souvenir shop/bait shop/grocery store all in one two-story-could-fit-a-family-of-six-for-a-house building didn't really count as a "grocery store." Great Canadian bacon, maple ice cream, and maple syrup cookies, but not a real grocery store. lol)
I don't know why Ottawa didn't have a strike. (I was a kid, so just went for a ride with my dad. Boring ride, although we crossed the Mississippi. It was a tiny creek, but its name was "Mississippi." lol) I do remember thinking the beer seller was rude. Even in the 60s, it was common knowledge that Canadians learn English and French every year in school. We don't know French. Dad was asking for beer in a beer store and the guy pretended he didn't understand English. Dad named the beer he wanted. (Don't remember what he got anymore.) The guy still pretended not to understand. It's the same word in either language for crying out loud. Fortunately, Dad is all about money, so the guy couldn't cheat him out on change. lol
Kingston? That's the big town we went to to buy groceries before going to the cabin. (I was going to mention Kingston, but didn't think you'd know the other side of the country that well.) All I know about Kingston is that's where the real grocery store was. (Petro station/post office/ice cream parlor/clothing store/souvenir shop/bait shop/grocery store all in one two-story-could-fit-a-family-of-six-for-a-house building didn't really count as a "grocery store." Great Canadian bacon, maple ice cream, and maple syrup cookies, but not a real grocery store. lol)
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Covenants are contracts. It's swapping something with agreement from both parties. A deed to a house is a covenant. A renter's agreement is a covenant. A will is a covenant.
What was this thing that was being swapped?
God wanted himself a people who would love and serve him forever. Not out of need. Out of want.
In return, we get God!
The first covenant was between God and Man. Big problem. Man wants God's protection and all the goodies in his basket, but we don't want God. But then again, those are the ones God gets to choose from. He changed some of us to want him. Some in the OT. (Read Psalm 119 and tell me that's not from a man who knows what he wants and got it -- God.) Some in the NT. Some of us not connected to the old or new, except through God.
You can't have a contract last when one side doesn't want to keep it. The OT is that story -- from Eve, who rather know good from evil, to Cain who thought it was okay to kill his brother just because God never told him not to, to Sari and Abram who thought it was a good idea to fix God's promise by having a baby in a different way, to the Israelites who created a golden calf right after being told not to do that. It just keeps going on 10,001 ways to break that contract. All on Man's part.
God still had his contract. Now he got it from a willing partner. Father and Son/God and God. Same thing -- he will have himself a people who will love and serve him. And the people will have God.
Same covenant. Different parties to that contract. And that made all the difference.
What was this thing that was being swapped?
God wanted himself a people who would love and serve him forever. Not out of need. Out of want.
In return, we get God!
The first covenant was between God and Man. Big problem. Man wants God's protection and all the goodies in his basket, but we don't want God. But then again, those are the ones God gets to choose from. He changed some of us to want him. Some in the OT. (Read Psalm 119 and tell me that's not from a man who knows what he wants and got it -- God.) Some in the NT. Some of us not connected to the old or new, except through God.
You can't have a contract last when one side doesn't want to keep it. The OT is that story -- from Eve, who rather know good from evil, to Cain who thought it was okay to kill his brother just because God never told him not to, to Sari and Abram who thought it was a good idea to fix God's promise by having a baby in a different way, to the Israelites who created a golden calf right after being told not to do that. It just keeps going on 10,001 ways to break that contract. All on Man's part.
God still had his contract. Now he got it from a willing partner. Father and Son/God and God. Same thing -- he will have himself a people who will love and serve him. And the people will have God.
Same covenant. Different parties to that contract. And that made all the difference.
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Judgement Day. All the before are over. They no longer matter. The car already smacked. We're now facing God.
And, although every single person will realize at that moment he was always there and always who he said he was, so our knees will bow, and our tongues will confess, but there still is no time left to repent. Before is over.
And, although every single person will realize at that moment he was always there and always who he said he was, so our knees will bow, and our tongues will confess, but there still is no time left to repent. Before is over.
I see the insults and sowing of discord are still coming from Ariel and others are joining in.
Is this what you all live for on this forum? Apparently, yes, it is.
FTR, I never said to Ariel "You're a Universalist". So, that is simply an untrue statement and is frankly just an attempt to smear. In fact, I don't believe I've ever directly said that to any person.
But still, the lame assaults continue. Telling half truths, the objective of lets see how many we can get to join in the causing of division, the sowing of discord and schism. This is the business of the day and it is seemingly perpetual in nature.
What I did say, and/or what my implications and/or assertions were basically said this; that the way we sometimes interpret verses it goes along with Universalist thought.
Keeping the half truths about that ongoing, the calling of the names, telling untruths, the smearing, and the stating over and again "I have him on ignore" "Ignore him" &c? It's simple - its purpose is to smear someone, to cause division, to make schisms and to sow discord. And that is a fact.
Now you all carry on with your objective - I won't engage in the half truths you're presenting, the slander, and the division. That's all on you who are involved in it at this present time. You all can have the last "words" on this, and surely it will carry on too long. But, that's what you all do here.
Is this what you all live for on this forum? Apparently, yes, it is.
FTR, I never said to Ariel "You're a Universalist". So, that is simply an untrue statement and is frankly just an attempt to smear. In fact, I don't believe I've ever directly said that to any person.
But still, the lame assaults continue. Telling half truths, the objective of lets see how many we can get to join in the causing of division, the sowing of discord and schism. This is the business of the day and it is seemingly perpetual in nature.
What I did say, and/or what my implications and/or assertions were basically said this; that the way we sometimes interpret verses it goes along with Universalist thought.
Keeping the half truths about that ongoing, the calling of the names, telling untruths, the smearing, and the stating over and again "I have him on ignore" "Ignore him" &c? It's simple - its purpose is to smear someone, to cause division, to make schisms and to sow discord. And that is a fact.
Now you all carry on with your objective - I won't engage in the half truths you're presenting, the slander, and the division. That's all on you who are involved in it at this present time. You all can have the last "words" on this, and surely it will carry on too long. But, that's what you all do here.
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Rather a repeating theme throughout the Bible.
Gen. 17:7
Lev. 26:12
Ps. 81:10
Jer. 7:23
Jer. 31:33
Ezek 11:20
Ezek. 14:11
Ezek. 37:23
Zeck 8:8
Zeck 10:6
Joel 2:27
Joel 3:17
2 Cor. 6:16.
Heb. 8:8
Here's a longer, more highfalutin article on the subject -- https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/covenants.html -- and just so you know, this is a concept of monergism, not reformed theology, so it ought to be something we both agree on.
Gen. 17:7
Lev. 26:12
Ps. 81:10
Jer. 7:23
Jer. 31:33
Ezek 11:20
Ezek. 14:11
Ezek. 37:23
Zeck 8:8
Zeck 10:6
Joel 2:27
Joel 3:17
2 Cor. 6:16.
Heb. 8:8
Here's a longer, more highfalutin article on the subject -- https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/covenants.html -- and just so you know, this is a concept of monergism, not reformed theology, so it ought to be something we both agree on.
Repentance is founded on the law of God as it is written which no man could keep perfectly without stumbling over the least and therfore found guilty of the whole eternal damnation (not partial) and never to rise to new spirit life.
I would think we should let the scriptures define the word repentance which gives us the idea of being comforter by the Holy Spirit.
Repentanace is a work of God comforting those who he does discipline... by having mercy on them, reminding them how childish they can be with a hope from Him we will put away the childish things. He does not disipline those he has not loved by having mercy on them.But those who are called according to his good purposes. Because he did have mercy on them.
It would seem you are not mixing the "same spirit of faith", as the faith of Chrsit which comes from hearing God, as it is written and therfore are walking after the works of the flesh as some sort of outward sign to yourself you do have the Spirit of Christ.. Making the grace of Christ without effect.this shows some are hardening thier hearts and have b not enter His rest
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being (mixed with faith" in them that heard it.
In the end of the matter turning the work of repentance up side down and comforting ones ownself by a work of the flesh. Jerimah 31 defines true repentance
Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?
I would offer what I believe is companion verse below
1Co 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against anotherFor who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?
Strongs Lexicon...05162 nacham {naw-kham'}a primitive root; TWOT - 1344; v
AV - comfort 57, repent 41, comforter 9, ease 1; 108
1) to be sorry, console oneself, repent, regret, comfort, be comforted 1a) (Niphal) 1a1) to be sorry, be moved to pity, have compassion 1a2) to be sorry, rue, suffer grief, repent 1a3) to comfort oneself, be comforted 1a4) to comfort oneself, ease oneself 1b) (Piel) to comfort, console 1c) (Pual) to be comforted, be consoled 1d) (Hithpael) 1d1) to be sorry, have compassion 1d2) to rue, repent of 1d3) to comfort oneself, be comforted 1d4) to ease oneself
I would think we should let the scriptures define the word repentance which gives us the idea of being comforter by the Holy Spirit.
Repentanace is a work of God comforting those who he does discipline... by having mercy on them, reminding them how childish they can be with a hope from Him we will put away the childish things. He does not disipline those he has not loved by having mercy on them.But those who are called according to his good purposes. Because he did have mercy on them.
It would seem you are not mixing the "same spirit of faith", as the faith of Chrsit which comes from hearing God, as it is written and therfore are walking after the works of the flesh as some sort of outward sign to yourself you do have the Spirit of Christ.. Making the grace of Christ without effect.this shows some are hardening thier hearts and have b not enter His rest
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being (mixed with faith" in them that heard it.
In the end of the matter turning the work of repentance up side down and comforting ones ownself by a work of the flesh. Jerimah 31 defines true repentance
Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?
I would offer what I believe is companion verse below
1Co 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against anotherFor who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?
Strongs Lexicon...05162 nacham {naw-kham'}a primitive root; TWOT - 1344; v
AV - comfort 57, repent 41, comforter 9, ease 1; 108
1) to be sorry, console oneself, repent, regret, comfort, be comforted 1a) (Niphal) 1a1) to be sorry, be moved to pity, have compassion 1a2) to be sorry, rue, suffer grief, repent 1a3) to comfort oneself, be comforted 1a4) to comfort oneself, ease oneself 1b) (Piel) to comfort, console 1c) (Pual) to be comforted, be consoled 1d) (Hithpael) 1d1) to be sorry, have compassion 1d2) to rue, repent of 1d3) to comfort oneself, be comforted 1d4) to ease oneself