Can a christian lose their salvation

[PeterJens]

Thanks for not answering the question. I take it then you have no answer.

I have been thinking about forgiveness. We all have a strange almost no relationship reality in Jesus.
Repenting of sin, you accept a behaviour or action was wrong, you commit to not repeat the act and you make restitution for the damage done. Part of restitution is often asking God to forgive you. We can ask the Lord to forgive us because of Jesus's blood shed on the cross, as a sacrifice for the remission of sins, and to cleanse and heal us from the damage our sins have caused.

This is not a statement of unbelief but a statement of belief in Jesus's work and a request for healing as James suggests,

Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.
James 5:16

Death

I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will have sufficient courage so that now as always Christ will be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death.
Phil 1:20

For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day – and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.
2 Tim 4:6-8

Paul so no curse in his death rather release. Hyper-grace does not address suffering, persecution, illness and death except as evil rather than glory.

Jesus called wealth deceitful, destroying the soul

The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful.
Matt 13:22

It is little wonder those who are unfruitful, despair about their faith, because they often are wealthy or aspiring to wealth, while that is their core problem. Little wonder people want to say unfruitfulness is not a sign of bankrupt faith worthy of Hell, but something you will get over.

But again people do not see what fruit actually is. The word of God enters your heart and changes you. As you confess that change, that is the fruit, the word of God being passed on. Good works are also fruit of the change, care, love, empathy for others. Unless you are stone dead, everyone has fruit like this. Except maybe if you are a psychopath, but I wonder if there is hope for such as these.

 

[Grace777x70]

Is Forgiveness like a Debit Card?

Are you completely forgiven or partly forgiven? It’s a simple question that reveals whether you appreciate all Christ did for you on the cross.

Recently I heard a critic of the grace message say two contradictory statements: Christ paid for your complete redemption (amen!) but you are not completely forgiven (huh?). That’s like saying you’re saved, but not really. Or you’re holy, but sanctification is progressive. It’s the sort of mixed-up message you get from a mixed-up gospel.

Forgiveness like a debit card?

Some say that forgiveness is like a debit card. When Christ died he made a million-dollar deposit into your account. If you sinned this morning you are not forgiven until you confess and repent and draw upon that cross-wrought provision. In other words, between the time you sin and the time you repent, you are unforgiven. Your account is in the red. You need to fix it.

“But, if I sin I should make amends. It’s only right.”

Yes, you should, but you’re fooling yourself if you think you can do that which Christ has done. The sinless Lamb of God paid an enormous price to carry your sin. Can you pay the same price?

It is ludicrous to think we can do a better job than Jesus, or that we can complete what he left half-done, yet that’s exactly what the debit-card picture suggests. What happens if you forget to confess? What happens if you confess every sin but one?

“It doesn’t really matter. God looks at the heart.” But it does matter, for the law tells us so. Break the law of confessing-to-be-forgiven and you will be guilty of breaking the whole thing (Jas 2:10).

Last week I neglected to put money into my account before my electricity bill went out. The bill bounced and a small oversight led to a big headache. There were letters. There were phone calls. There was a bank fee.

God treats sin the same way banks treat money – very seriously. (It cost him his Son’s life!) If forgiveness is a debit card, then you need to account for every single sin, big and small. So stop reading this, fall to your knees and repent for the sin of not treating sin seriously!

Actually, don’t stop reading because you need to hear this next bit.

The debit card metaphor is an unbiblical picture that promotes performance-based Christianity. It suggests that when we come to Christ, our sin debt is paid off (hooray!), but – and there is always a but in the mixed-grace message – every time we sin we incur a fresh debt which will be held to our account until we take steps to fix it.

How is this not mixing grace with works? How is this not prostituting the love of God?

God’s forgiveness is not given in installments

Forgiveness is not a debit card but a gift! You have been completely and eternally forgiven on account of Jesus. You need to settle this in your heart otherwise you’ll be tossed and turned by every mixed-up teaching.

But don’t take my word for it. Let every matter be established in the presence of two or three witnesses. Here’s my first witness, the apostle Paul:

In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace. (Eph 1:7)

You are not forgiven in accordance with your acts of confession but his grace! Now for my second witness:

I write to you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name’s sake. (1 John 2:12)

Are forgiven, not will be forgiven. The cross is a done deal. Jesus died once for all to do away with all sin. Here’s my third witness:

Praise the Lord, my soul, and forget not all his benefits—who forgives all your sins … (Psalm 103:2–3a)

All means all. All does not mean only those sins you have repented and confessed for Jesus carried the sins of the whole world.

And now for a surprise witness: It’s Jesus himself who, on the night he rose from the dead, said that the forgiven-ness of sins should be preached in his name to all nations.

Unconditional love = unconditional forgiveness

While he walked this earth Jesus forgave sinners who neither repented nor confessed. He did this to show that love keeps no record of wrongs. He did it to reveal a God who loves you like a Father and who does not wait for you to get cleaned up before welcoming you with open arms.

My friends, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. (Act 13:38)

Forgiveness is not something to earn through acts of piety or penance, but a gift to receive and in Christ Jesus you have it!

 

[valiant]

Interestingly grace7x77 wrote faith had no merit, yet Abraham believed God and it was merited to him as righteousness. Now this does not fit his model so silence.

Abrahan believed God and it was RECKONED to him for righteousness. It was not merited to him. He had no merit.

Is Abraham in Hell, along with Moses, Elijah and all those who were under the old covenant?

NO

If not how were they justified, counted as acceptable?

by faith in the way that He had provided, blood sacrifice.

Abraham had no law, he had only a promise and an approach to God.

Gen 26.5? Because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept my charge; my commandments; my statutes and my Laws

Paul is arguing this relationship justified him, just like faith in Jesus justifies us. The result of this faith was righteousness in his behaviour. But was he justified as ok or is this more difficult to define?

Because he obeyed God through faith. His faith resulted in righteousness,

The whole debate is about righteousness empowered by relationship

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no it is about relationship with God that has the consequence of righteousness.

you put the cart before the horse

You cannot have the relationship without walking in righteousness or desiring to do so.

you have to have the relationship FIRST. Rebirth precedes righteousness. only THEN will you desire righteousness as a consequence

 

[PeterJens]

1. We need to acknowledge failure when we sin.
2. We need to address why we have sinned and repent, turn away, admit the failure, and ask God to forgive us because of Jesus's blood shed on the cross.

If we do not acknowledge our sinful act, we agree with rebellion against God. If we are in rebellion we have broken our fellowship and communion with Him.
As a sinner commiting sin we have become slaves to sin again. We need to confess, or externalise this realisation by confessing our guilt, and asking God through Jesus's blood to forgive us. This brings redemption and restoration into our communion with the Lord. As demonstrated with Israel this is a life long process and one of change and struggle.
The fire on the burnt offering table was never extinguished and an offering for sin was placed there at morning and at night.

Now this is the instituted spiritual reality of our walk with the Lord. As a living spiritual being we need to abide in Jesus and His word, walking in the Spirit always.

Where hyper-grace fails is to call this walk evil and a denial of the cross. Rather it is an acknowledgement of the gulf between our ways and the ways of the Lord. Jesus has become our eternal offering, but the walk remains the same of humbleness and submission to His will.

Hyper-grace wants to justify worldly self indulgence and sin, so emphasises searing of the conscience and total acceptability of the believer, loosing their sensitivity to the sin they are walking in. Good works or fruits of the spirit are not encouraged, just praise, worship and giving to the church. The greater the dependency on the preacher/teacher the better and the less independent thinking the better.

When sin awareness becomes apparent or those who preach righteousness, condemnation is delivered that this is evil and Satan is bringing this conviction, not a Holy God.

I do not mind going round this cycle because each time I pick up greater insight into this heresy.

 

[PeterJens]

Abrahan believed God and it was RECKONED to him for righteousness. It was not merited to him. He had no merit.

You like semantics. In my understanding of cause and effect, faith resulted is being regarded righteous.
In discussing the subject, I realised faith to be real has to be acted on, else it is just an idea.

In my life and many others I have realised before they met God they already desired the things God desires. It is like we agree with God about sin and righteousness, but do not know quite how to handle both. I then realised that walking with Jesus is conditional on you agreeing to walk and actually walking. It is like agreeing to climb a mountain and then refusing to put on the kit, wear boots and start on the trek. You may have agreed verbally but actually refused physically.

Somewhere and somehow people are preaching agreeing verbally is all that is needed which is just absurd and a contradiction of what faith is, and is not christianity at all, but a religious con-trick. Hey guys you are now saved and nothing else matters, it will just pan out.

If this is your faith and understanding you have never actually begun the walk or know what Jesus is talking about.
A simple spiritual test is answer these simple questions.

Have you ever forgiven someone who has hurt you?
Do you acknowledge you are a sinner in need of help from Jesus?
Do you desire to walk in righteousness as Jesus walked and commanded?
Did Jesus die for your sins on the cross, and was resurrected so that you might have life?
Will you follow and obey Jesus's commands?

If you answer yes to all these questions, you already have started. If you answer no to any, you have not even begun.
I wonder how many here answer no to any of the above?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You guys are blind deaf and dumb. It must be your theology that is changing how you deal with truth.

Your actually quite comical.

I keep asking you a direct question. And you keep refusing to answer my question. Instead you go off on rants about things which do not pertain to my question. I keep pointing this out to you. but all you do is get angry, and then start spouting off and attacking people with remarks. like blind, deaf dumb ad gay.

All you keep doing is digging your self deeper into a hole. and it is going to be hardwer for you to dig out. because your too proud to admit you are making a mistake. You think we are attacking you when we are not. WE JUST ASKED A SIMPLE QUESTION.

I can invent my own god, and put what attributes I want on him and make things work out so it looks nice.

Seems to me that is what your doing, Your God can not even KNOW if a person has true faith or not, he needs proof..

I can not respond any other way that this, because I keep asking you over and over why God needs proof. And you keep refusing to answer. So how else should I take your God??

But that is not how God works. Gay people are some of the nicest people I have met, some very caring and sensitive to a degree others are not as perceptive. Now if people are behaving in a similar fashion I think it is a very apt description. Now the hyper-grace group are happy to have homosexuals in leadership and defining what is moral and what is not. So this tendency is not surprising.

Now if this a slander or insult, I am sorry you take it that way, because in your moral position there is nothing wrong with being gay, or expressing things in a gay way. Or are you actually hypocrites.

Oh come on now.. You know you did not mean that as a light hearted slurr.. We are not that gullible..

oh and PS.. A gay person in charge, or in leadership? The bible does not allow that. any mmore than it allows a practicing adulterer or fornicator to be in those positions.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think you have miss-understood my point. Until you act on your beliefs they mean nothing. It is the action that makes faith real.

Well if this is what you mean,

1. You still did not answer my question (or you did, and I have been right all along, your God is not an all powerful all knowing God)
2. Your wrong, It is faith that produces action (true faith) not actions that produce faith.

So God, you and me do not know if someones faith is real, or the person themselves until they act upon it.

God, your wrong about him requiring a work, God knows a heart. I already proved that with Abraham and David being called righteous men after Gods own heard before they did one work.

Others, your wrong, People can act religious and make believe by going to church, getting baptized, Singing praises, and doing all kinds of good works. Yet not have one ounce of faith in the gospel of Christ. The NT is full of warning of impostors. infiltrating the churches, either that or getting sick of playing the game and walking away, because their faith had no power (it was dead)

me, Yes, I need proof. That is what james wrote his whole book about. Test your faith, Make sure it is real. Paul had the same warning, Make sure your true children and not illigitament children.

God does not need me to prove anything, GOD KNOWS MY HEART..

It is like saying is a person righteous or not. Righteousness is defined based on actions. If you have done nothing wrong you are righteous, or at least that appears the theory. I think the reality is we are only righteous in communion with God, trusting Him and having faith in Him.

If righteousness is based on actions, We are all doomed to hell. Gods righteousness is according to the law. And every one of us has failed , are failing, and will fail to live up to that standard.

Until you realise this, The schoolmaster has not completed its work in you.

The point I am making is a simple dilemma. Does something exist before it has happened? If it has not happened nothing is aware of it or can discover it unless you can see into the future and see it having. But does something actually exist until it happens, or without foreknowledge can it be predicted. I do not know. Does God say he can do this, is it inevitable?

Again, Your wrong, Daniel spoke of all kinds of prophesies of future events, God gave them these prophesies, because in Gods world (he is outside of time) they as much as already happened.

Again, I need proof. I need action. But God does not.. Your god is a weak God.

If the whole of heaven was inevitable, the God could just fast forward and create it all without all the hassel in between.

Does the Lord know who are His, yes he does, but so what.

You did not just say this. Wow man, You keep getting deeper and deeper in trouble as far as someone people should listen to..

The point I am exploring is faith only exists in a real sense when actions are done as a result of the faith.

And your wrong, True faith PRODUCES WORK. work does not produce faith.

Thats what Hebrews 11 is about. They had faith, And their faith produced work. Faith is what empowers us to do something, If we do not have faith, we are not going to work..

Is Abraham in Hell, along with Moses, Elijah and all those who were under the old covenant?
If not how were they justified, counted as acceptable? Abraham had no law, he had only a promise and an approach to God. Paul is arguing this relationship justified him, just like faith in Jesus justifies us. The result of this faith was righteousness in his behaviour. But was he justified as ok or is this more difficult to define?
Enoch knew God, and was taken. The priest Melchizedek was a priest of God, yet again before the law was given.

They were saved the same way we are.

They had faith, and it was accounted to them as righteousness (before they did one work)

Their faith in God produced work. But they were saved before they did one work. God does not need proof. He knows our heart. Just like he knew davids and abrahams.

The whole debate is about righteousness empowered by relationship. You cannot have the relationship without walking in righteousness or desiring to do so. Hyper-grace is full of people who believe this is impossible, failed believers who have given up, and only compromise is the way forward.

1. My whole topic is does God need proof. The answer is NO. (unless God is human)

2. There is no argument about a person who has faith (true), and is saved by that faith, producing works as a result of that salvation. (eph 2: 8-10) Thats your man made argument, You do not fight one false doctrine (liscentiousness, which is caused by a total lack of faith) with the opposite doctrine (legalism, which also is based on a total lack of faith) when both are evil and will lead people straight to hell.

Does hyper-grace theology add up? No because it polarises ideas based on you are acceptable as you are, and you will just be able to walk in the right way without repentance, confession or obedience.

Again, no such thing as hyper grace, Grace is free to begin with, you can not get free-er than free. This is ridiculous.

Licentious gospel. based on lack of true faiht in God. Now that is a teaching, But it is just as evil as your legalism. which is also based on lack of true faith in God.

It is obvious we will never agree these steps, and hyper-grace is a new faith, outside of traditional christianity.
All they can do is condemn the expression of christian faith over the last 200 years and claim they now have the exclusive revelation. In reality if they cannot walk righteously, they will evaporate like movements before them. I will not hold my breath, but nothing has convinced me they have a clue about reality or life to actually have any real effect at all.

Well my faith is pauls faith. and has been around since adams faith (pre-law) the only differnece between myself and Adam and Noah and Abraham and David, Is I know who my redeemer was, they still looked forward to him,, but did not know who he was. Yet they still had faith, which makes theirs even greater.

Hyper grace is just a term produced recently by churches who are being confronted with their legalism. I guess they are sick of being called modern day pharisees?

 

[valiant]

1. We need to acknowledge failure when we sin.
2. We need to address why we have sinned and repent, turn away, admit the failure, and ask God to forgive us because of Jesus's blood shed on the cross.

If we do not acknowledge our sinful act, we agree with rebellion against God. If we are in rebellion we have broken our fellowship and communion with Him.
As a sinner commiting sin we have become slaves to sin again. We need to confess, or externalise this realisation by confessing our guilt, and asking God through Jesus's blood to forgive us. This brings redemption and restoration into our communion with the Lord. As demonstrated with Israel this is a life long process and one of change and struggle.
The fire on the burnt offering table was never extinguished and an offering for sin was placed there at morning and at night.

Now this is the instituted spiritual reality of our walk with the Lord. As a living spiritual being we need to abide in Jesus and His word, walking in the Spirit always.

Where hyper-grace fails is to call this walk evil and a denial of the cross. Rather it is an acknowledgement of the gulf between our ways and the ways of the Lord. Jesus has become our eternal offering, but the walk remains the same of humbleness and submission to His will.

Hyper-grace wants to justify worldly self indulgence and sin, so emphasises searing of the conscience and total acceptability of the believer, loosing their sensitivity to the sin they are walking in. Good works or fruits of the spirit are not encouraged, just praise, worship and giving to the church. The greater the dependency on the preacher/teacher the better and the less independent thinking the better.

When sin awareness becomes apparent or those who preach righteousness, condemnation is delivered that this is evil and Satan is bringing this conviction, not a Holy God.

I do not mind going round this cycle because each time I pick up greater insight into this heresy.

But we proclaim the grace of God, which is above and beyond 'hyper-grace' (a non-scriptural concept). It is the grace of God which SAVES. It does not 'offer us salvation'. It SAVES.

You people try to simplify what God does, and you are WRONG. He does not fail. Only man fails.

 

[Bomske]

This has always been a very hard question for me. My mind is not completely made up on this one but I think if I had to respond to the question, I might say yes because, in a certain sense, we can. Ezekiel 18:21-29 presents a very practical view on this issue:
"But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. None of the offences they have committed will be remembered against them.Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live. [...] But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die."
So we need to be wary that all our righteousness doesn't count for nothing when we nullify it will sin that we don't repent of. Alternatively, I think in God's perspective, we (true Christians) are reserved for God's redemption and he knows exactly who he has chosen.
Thanks for reading!
Bomske

 

[PeterJens]

Well if this is what you mean

You have your mind made up. I have a simple faith, I take Jesus at His word.
If it has not worked in my life, it is because I have miss-understood Him and His word and I wait for better revelation.

You have such a complex set of ideas and dependencies you will spend eternity correcting me, but achieving nothing. Your emotions tell you I am a carnal legalistic christian walking in failure and not grace.

In the end that is where we part. I fully understand your position and history, but I cannot help you. As a work in progress I am not as the Lord will have me when we meet in heaven but I am not as I was when I was first saved.

You want more than this. You condemn my brothers and sisters who I would die for, so you make yourself an enemy of me. Maybe one day the Lord will unscramble who you are, but all I can say is you have a very different walk to mine. I wish you well and may the Lords love lead you into a place of redemption and peace, Amen.

 

[PeterJens]

But we proclaim the grace of God, which is above and beyond 'hyper-grace' (a non-scriptural concept). It is the grace of God which SAVES. It does not 'offer us salvation'. It SAVES.

You people try to simplify what God does, and you are WRONG. He does not fail. Only man fails.

Jesus only saves us if we walk with Him and are transformed into His likeness.
If salvation was just belief without a walk there would be no law, history of israel, the prophets, the apostles, the letters etc.

We have not simplified what Jesus does, it is a process which is different in detail for each believer, but in general is a walk of sanctification.

You believe you are saved full stop, no possible turning away, yet the world is full of people who no longer go to church, millions of them, and do not dwell in Jesus or anything. This is not Jesus's vision of His people but dry withered branches who are not walking with Him.

This is mans failure to follow Christ, but you say we are suggesting this is Gods failure to save. You have a very poor view of the gospel or the challenge of sin in peoples lives.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You have your mind made up. I have a simple faith, I take Jesus at His word.
If it has not worked in my life, it is because I have miss-understood Him and His word and I wait for better revelation.

You have such a complex set of ideas and dependencies you will spend eternity correcting me, but achieving nothing. Your emotions tell you I am a carnal legalistic christian walking in failure and not grace.

In the end that is where we part. I fully understand your position and history, but I cannot help you. As a work in progress I am not as the Lord will have me when we meet in heaven but I am not as I was when I was first saved.

1. Your right you can;t help me, You do not even know what I believe you prove that every time you post
2. yet again, You failed to respond to what I posted. and just made accusations, But hey, Thats what people like you do. I have been here long enough, and in life to know the idiosyncrasies of people who sure they are right, I should be used to it by now. But I try not to judge, just because I see the same things.

You want more than this. You condemn my brothers and sisters who I would die for, so you make yourself an enemy of me.

Yep, this makes you so special. I would die for them also. See you do not know me at all. You think you do. and thats your problem.

You are my enemy, Because as to what you preach, your gods enemy. But I love you, because God said we are to love our enemies.. Love means you would give your life for them.

Maybe one day the Lord will unscramble who you are, but all I can say is you have a very different walk to mine. I wish you well and may the Lords love lead you into a place of redemption and peace, Amen.

The lord knows who I am. Unlike your God. My God does not need proof. or anything else. he knows my heart. Better then even I do..

Maybe one day God will explain himself to you. And you will find this religious mindset you have entrusted your life to is not from God.

We can all pray.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I disagree that faith isn't real unless it's acted upon. Faith isn't activated by a certain event or something.. If you have faith even the size of a grain of salt, you can move mountains. To have faith, you need only to believe.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus only saves us if we walk with Him and are transformed into His likeness.

There is too much YOU MUST in this comment.

Jesus saves us SO WE CAN WALK, and it is HIM WHO TRANSFORMS US.. Why do you think you can transform yourself? WHy do you give yourself to much credit, and take away from God?

If salvation was just belief without a walk there would be no law, history of israel, the prophets, the apostles, the letters etc.

There is no such things as faith without works.. (salvation without walking)

again, your basing eternal life on what you do. and not on what Christ did. Your taking credit away from God.

 

[Gr8grace]

This is what the gnostics in the early church period believed. Here's what Ireneaus said about them in Against Heresies. His witness is important because he was a disciple of Polycarp who was a disciple of the apostle John. So he would have had a good understanding of the true faith because he was only one generation removed from John's teachings.

Animal men, again, are instructed in animal things; such men, namely, as are established by their works, and by a mere faith, while they have not perfect knowledge. We of the Church, [the gnostics] say, are these persons. Wherefore also they maintain that good works are necessary to us, for that otherwise it is impossible we should be saved. But as to themselves, [the gnostics] hold that they shall be entirely and undoubtedly saved, not by means of conduct, but because they are spiritual by nature. For, just as it is impossible that material substance should partake of salvation (since, indeed, they maintain that it is incapable of receiving it), so again it is impossible that spiritual substance (by which they mean themselves) should ever come under the power of corruption, whatever the sort of actions in which they indulged. ... so they affirm that they cannot in any measure suffer hurt, or lose their spiritual substance, whatever the material actions [conduct] in which they may be involved.

...they tell us that it is necessary for us [of the Church] whom they call animal men, and describe as being of the world, to practise continence and good works, that by this means we may attain at length to the intermediate habitation, but that to [the gnostics] who are called "the spiritual and perfect" such a course of conduct is not at all necessary. For it is not conduct of any kind which leads into the Pleroma [heaven], but the seed sent forth thence [from heaven] in a feeble, immature state, and here [on earth] brought to perfection.​

The gnostics didn't believe The Lord Jesus Christ was true humanity and undiminished deity in ONE person.

Humanity or mankind needed true humanity or a person to represent them and atone for their sins.

THIS is the gnostics heresy......they didn't believe Christ was human.

 

[Gr8grace]

Jesus only saves us if we walk with Him and are transformed into His likeness.

This is the key and this is where all the resistance and disagreements come from.

In the flesh we can't walk with Him, and the flesh will not and cannot be transformed into His likeness.

ONLY a saved,indwelt by the Spirit, born again, new creation in Christ can walk with Him and only the new creation in Christ can be transformed into His likeness.

We need the Holy Spirit to do the above and an unsaved person doesn't have the Holy Spirit and cannot do what you are saying.

 

[ggs7]

Luk 12:42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward whom his lord shall set over his houseservants, to give them their portion of food in season?
Luk 12:43 Blessed is that servant when his lord comes and finds him so doing.
Luk 12:44 Truly I say to you that he will set him over all his possessions.
Luk 12:45 But if that servant says in his heart, My lord delays his coming, and shall begin to beat the male servants and women servants, and to eat and drink and to be drunk,
Luk 12:46 the lord of that servant will come in a day when he does not expect, and at an hour when he does not know. And he will cut him apart, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Mat 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his Lord has made ruler over His household, to give them food in due season?
Mat 24:46 Blessed is that servant whom his Lord shall find him doing so when He comes.
Mat 24:47 Truly I say to you that He shall make him ruler over all His goods.
Mat 24:48 But if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My Lord delays His coming,
Mat 24:49 and shall begin to strike his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken,
Mat 24:50 the Lord of that servant shall come in a day when he does not look for Him, and in an hour which he does not know.
Mat 24:51 And He shall cut him apart and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Breanna]

Why is it so hard for people to grasp the concept.

If salvation can be lost. It is no salvation at all.. How can you be saved, when your not really saved at all? that makes no sense whatsoever..

Are you sure about that???

 

[CS1]

Please, simply vote yes or no, thank you

your funny dal conn,
well brother I think it is yes & no it depends which biblical references one use to prove their stands on the topic

 

[Breanna]

Many people believe we can lose our salvation. However, God says that we are saved by His grace (Ephesians 2:8-9). That we have eternal life (John 3:16,17). That no one can remove us from His Hand, or separate us from His love John 10:22-30; Romans 8:38-39).
God saves us, keeps us, preserves us, and will deliver us safely to glory. When we sin God chastens us, and He will bring us back to Himself. Just as He did with you Brian.
We are secure in Him!
Many people believe we can lose our salvation. However, God says that we are saved by His grace (Ephesians 2:8-9). That we have eternal life (John 3:16,17). That no one can remove us from His Hand, or separate us from His love John 10:22-30; Romans 8:38-39).
God saves us, keeps us, preserves us, and will deliver us safely to glory. When we sin God chastens us, and He will bring us back to Himself.
We are secure in Him!