Can a Gay person be a True Christian?
- Thread starter MikeHenderson
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
A twelve step room is a place where people go looking for help for some specific problem that has usually wreaked much havoc in a person's life, causing unmanageability and much pain and suffering through loss, shame, and a sense of powerlessness. The twelve steps were originally formulated in 1935 by two alcoholics, building on solid Biblical principles. The program developed by AA has been adapted over time to literally hundreds of life issues. What many people do not know or understand about the program is that at its core the program encourages the development and maintenance of an ongoing personal relationship with God 
A
Jesus doesn't label us as gays or straight. That's not in my vocab either. That's the world's labeling of our outward dead man (who was crucified in Christ). It's truly a meaningless label.
I’m often baffled when people don’t find it extremely disturbing that there are “Christians” on this site supporting women being subservient to men, men having multiple wives, advocating divorcing a spouse for infidelity but not for emotional & physical abuse, and yet bash and condemn gays, women preaching, and independent women. It’s like they are still in the dark ages. How is their religiously corrupt attitude any different from religious extremists condemning & killing gays and independent women in Muslim countries? WAKE UP, FOLKS! These Westborough Baptist-type religious nuts spouting this garbage are no different than the self-righteous scribes and Pharisees who were blind guides and stinking tombs filled with rotting corpses.
God is spirit and not a man. God guides us spiritually. If you surrender your life to Christ, he will perfect you and conform you into his own identity spiritually, not the identity of what these fanatics dictate to you. It isn’t about our outward man, it’s about our heart's condition in Christ. You can trust your life 100% to our faithful Savior. Don’t listen to the angry, noisy mob. They’re blind and clueless.
Gluttony, Troublemaking, Boasting, Pride, Tale bearing, Critical spirt, Unforgiveness, Jealousy, Deceit, Lying, Manipulation, Anger, Condemnation, Rebelliousness, Cheating, Laziness, Self-pity, Grumbling, Stingy, Prejudice, Impatience, Wandering eye, Lust, Greed, Materialism, Gambling, Promise breaker, Sneakiness, Haughtiness, Flirtatiousness, Doubt, Unbelief, etc., etc. None of these sins inherits the kingdom of God either.
Ya know why? Because no flesh will ever inherit the kingdom. God’s kingdom is spirit and truth. It’s an eternal kingdom. The things that pass away, which are not eternal can never enter God’s kingdom. Nobody will ever measure up by outward efforts because if you’re not guilty of one thing, you’re certainly guilty of another. People don’t get it. They keep trying to make the outward dead man appear good but it’ll never happen. Your flesh is a dead thing to God. Put a holy suit or skirt on it, it’s still a rotting corpse.
It’s not what you do or do not do. It’s what Christ is doing in you. If Christ is in you, you’d be treating others the way you want to be treated. You’d be trusting God for your life and not in your own efforts. You'd have nothing to boast about except for Christ. You'd have nothing to witness to others except for Jesus Christ. Nobody who thinks they are in a position to condemn someone else is walking in Christ. Nowhere in scripture does Jesus tell anyone to stop being who they are and change themselves. He says, “Follow me.” We’re here to introduce folks to Christ and trust the Lord to lead them, not condemn them and tell them how to live. We are created to be living witnesses, to love one another and trust God for each other and for our own lives. Period.
I’m often baffled when people don’t find it extremely disturbing that there are “Christians” on this site supporting women being subservient to men, men having multiple wives, advocating divorcing a spouse for infidelity but not for emotional & physical abuse, and yet bash and condemn gays, women preaching, and independent women. It’s like they are still in the dark ages. How is their religiously corrupt attitude any different from religious extremists condemning & killing gays and independent women in Muslim countries? WAKE UP, FOLKS! These Westborough Baptist-type religious nuts spouting this garbage are no different than the self-righteous scribes and Pharisees who were blind guides and stinking tombs filled with rotting corpses.
God is spirit and not a man. God guides us spiritually. If you surrender your life to Christ, he will perfect you and conform you into his own identity spiritually, not the identity of what these fanatics dictate to you. It isn’t about our outward man, it’s about our heart's condition in Christ. You can trust your life 100% to our faithful Savior. Don’t listen to the angry, noisy mob. They’re blind and clueless.
Gluttony, Troublemaking, Boasting, Pride, Tale bearing, Critical spirt, Unforgiveness, Jealousy, Deceit, Lying, Manipulation, Anger, Condemnation, Rebelliousness, Cheating, Laziness, Self-pity, Grumbling, Stingy, Prejudice, Impatience, Wandering eye, Lust, Greed, Materialism, Gambling, Promise breaker, Sneakiness, Haughtiness, Flirtatiousness, Doubt, Unbelief, etc., etc. None of these sins inherits the kingdom of God either.
Ya know why? Because no flesh will ever inherit the kingdom. God’s kingdom is spirit and truth. It’s an eternal kingdom. The things that pass away, which are not eternal can never enter God’s kingdom. Nobody will ever measure up by outward efforts because if you’re not guilty of one thing, you’re certainly guilty of another. People don’t get it. They keep trying to make the outward dead man appear good but it’ll never happen. Your flesh is a dead thing to God. Put a holy suit or skirt on it, it’s still a rotting corpse.
It’s not what you do or do not do. It’s what Christ is doing in you. If Christ is in you, you’d be treating others the way you want to be treated. You’d be trusting God for your life and not in your own efforts. You'd have nothing to boast about except for Christ. You'd have nothing to witness to others except for Jesus Christ. Nobody who thinks they are in a position to condemn someone else is walking in Christ. Nowhere in scripture does Jesus tell anyone to stop being who they are and change themselves. He says, “Follow me.” We’re here to introduce folks to Christ and trust the Lord to lead them, not condemn them and tell them how to live. We are created to be living witnesses, to love one another and trust God for each other and for our own lives. Period.
G
Well, the overwhelming majority of churches today teach a lifestyle, morality. Or cleaning up the flesh and change your natural mind about how you operate in the flesh. So they will judge people by their flesh, and by what people are overtly doing or not doing.......We are to know NO ONE according to the flesh.
And we are NOT going to clean up our flesh, not even a little tiny bit. It gets worse and worse in time, not better.
We are to walk in the Spirit. Even if we are working our butts of and making it appear that we are making our flesh a bit better..............We are not walking in the Spirit.
Morality is not Spirituality. And the majority of teachers and churches just teach morality. So they are quick to judge and condemn those who don't measure up to their SUBJECTIVE standards.
And we are NOT going to clean up our flesh, not even a little tiny bit. It gets worse and worse in time, not better.
We are to walk in the Spirit. Even if we are working our butts of and making it appear that we are making our flesh a bit better..............We are not walking in the Spirit.
Morality is not Spirituality. And the majority of teachers and churches just teach morality. So they are quick to judge and condemn those who don't measure up to their SUBJECTIVE standards.
that is your opinion I I do not see that as true because if it were true then why would we need the Holy Spirit ? Paul said very clearly it is the Power of the Gospel. in context to knowing one that is sin when one says or suggest a sexual preference is something more than and raise it to a level of effectiveness I think can be damaging to those who see this sin as what they are and not an act of sin as all sin is.
E
2 Peter 1.1-11
1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ: [SUP]2 [/SUP]Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord; [SUP]3 [/SUP]seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Now for this very reason also, applying all diligence, in your faith supply moral excellence, and in your moral excellence, knowledge, [SUP]6 [/SUP]and in your knowledge, self-control, and in your self-control, perseverance, and in your perseverance, godliness, [SUP]7 [/SUP]and in your godliness, brotherly kindness, and in your brotherly kindness, love. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they render you neither useless nor unfruitful in the true knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble; [SUP]11 [/SUP]for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.
It would appear to me you have been deceived by the FREE GRACE SALVATION doctrine.....The 5 fold ministry gifts that teach morality are teaching the Bible
1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ: [SUP]2 [/SUP]Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord; [SUP]3 [/SUP]seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Now for this very reason also, applying all diligence, in your faith supply moral excellence, and in your moral excellence, knowledge, [SUP]6 [/SUP]and in your knowledge, self-control, and in your self-control, perseverance, and in your perseverance, godliness, [SUP]7 [/SUP]and in your godliness, brotherly kindness, and in your brotherly kindness, love. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they render you neither useless nor unfruitful in the true knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble; [SUP]11 [/SUP]for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.
It would appear to me you have been deceived by the FREE GRACE SALVATION doctrine.....The 5 fold ministry gifts that teach morality are teaching the Bible
So people aren't needed at all? Okay. It is still not what was said. Anyways, some people will close their ears to Christians right away no matter what because of the history of hatred as previously noted. If you don't think it is effective to have someone with the same problem (or someone who used to have the same problem) dealing with their peers then you have single handed wiped out the testimony of millions and probably even billions.
E
I wont discuss this issue with you, because your understanding of grace and other Biblical principals appears at best, a mile wide and 1/8" deep. You continue to state things that are not found anywhere in scripture and as such, any attempt to discuss with you would result in you propagating a false gospel and false understanding of what it means to be a new man in Christ Jesus.
You are the victim of false teaching and need to come out from that teaching.
You are the victim of false teaching and need to come out from that teaching.
never said people were not need .. I am saying God doesn't use an active sexual preference as a mode to lead people to Christ because the act is sin and God is not of sin. The person can be filled with the Spirit and used but not the flesh.
God does use those who have come out of the sin of Homosexuality . as the Post asked " Can a Gay person be a True Christian? this makes no sense . If they are a christian they are gay no more. Does God save those who are gay absolute as HE does drinkers, liars , adulterer's etc.... BUT God doesn't save the act of sin HE remove it . and that is the Gospel message you do not have to live in bondage Christ can make you free be cause HE has done it for me Iam gay no more , drunk no more , adultery no m ore etc.....
God does use those who have come out of the sin of Homosexuality . as the Post asked " Can a Gay person be a True Christian? this makes no sense . If they are a christian they are gay no more. Does God save those who are gay absolute as HE does drinkers, liars , adulterer's etc.... BUT God doesn't save the act of sin HE remove it . and that is the Gospel message you do not have to live in bondage Christ can make you free be cause HE has done it for me
Iam gay no more , drunk no more , adultery no m ore etc.....
Last edited:
In fact the 12 step program, already mentioned and explained to an extent above (#363) works because there is no religious affiliation, and it is people who have had the exact same problems showing up on a regular basis to help the newcomers who keep coming to the rooms looking for help when they have hit a bottom in their life. In AA for instance (and in NA also) there are meetings designated as "gay" but everyone is welcome. However, it is a place where gay people know they are more free to share and explore issues fairly exclusive to their orientation even if the underlying feelings are the same that others (heterosexual as opposed to homosexual) experience through the failure to meet other people's expectations in life and any loss of love engendered as a result.
E
This has nothing to do with obtaining salvation by works and everything to do with what we do after obtaining salvation from Jesus and him alone...
The Bible does not teach anywhere that you accept the free gift of salvation through grace and based on what Jesus did and he did alone and then never change and can live anyway you want to, and because of grace you have it made....show me where it says this....we don't change to keep our salvation either.
The Bible also states that by the Spirit testifying to our spirit we know we are the sons of God....so the statement that we are saved when God says so is wrong....
The Bible does not teach anywhere that you accept the free gift of salvation through grace and based on what Jesus did and he did alone and then never change and can live anyway you want to, and because of grace you have it made....show me where it says this....we don't change to keep our salvation either.
The Bible also states that by the Spirit testifying to our spirit we know we are the sons of God....so the statement that we are saved when God says so is wrong....
never said people were not need .. I am saying God doesn't use an active sexual preference as a mode to lead people to Christ because the act is sin and God is not of sin. The person can be filled with the Spirit and used but not the flesh.
God does use those who have come out of the sin of Homosexuality . as the Post asked " Can a Gay person be a True Christian? this makes no sense . If they are a christian they are gay no more. Does God save those who are gay absolute as HE does drinkers, liars , adulterer's etc.... BUT God doesn't save the act of sin HE remove it . and that is the Gospel message you do not have to live in bondage Christ can make you free be cause HE has done it for me Iam gay no more , drunk no more , adultery no m ore etc.....
God does use those who have come out of the sin of Homosexuality . as the Post asked " Can a Gay person be a True Christian? this makes no sense . If they are a christian they are gay no more. Does God save those who are gay absolute as HE does drinkers, liars , adulterer's etc.... BUT God doesn't save the act of sin HE remove it . and that is the Gospel message you do not have to live in bondage Christ can make you free be cause HE has done it for me
Iam gay no more , drunk no more , adultery no m ore etc.....
We don't obtain salvation by works. We get salvation given to us when we accept Christ as our Lord and Savior. Once you are saved, that's it. One-time deal. You cannot lose your salvation. Otherwise you'd hafta get saved a million times over and over again. Jesus died only ONCE. Just as we are saved only ONCE.
Even saved people sin, but they repent and are forgiven, and guess what..they are still saved.The same model as the church? The churches are now using the model developed by two alcoholics because it works, not the other way around. The only difference is that in AA and most other 12 step programs, the language in the steps is "God as we (or you) understand Him" as opposed to directly identifying Jesus Christ as the God of our understanding. You cannot force people to that point of understanding.