CAN CHRISTIANS REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF WE ALL VOTE?

Brighthouse · Nov 16, 2014

Brother VCO As a man who has witnessed many peoples hardened hearts in ones lifetime( Pelican Bay) you also understand how many believers can cause there feeling and emotion to rule there lives as well!! I am moving over to where you are standing on your view of james 4:4 to get an understanding of how you are viewing this bro. hehe

I can see how one can see this from where you are at. This is why good brother,i ended by saying just how important Holy Spirit needs us to follow in his direction( rom 8:14-15) You make a very fine and valid point, from where you see james 4:4

To give honor to any king, a King must be worthy of that honor brother. Honor is not bestowed upon any man,unless that man has earned this honor,as I am a two tour Vietnam Vet, i do know something about ones honor. Again from where I am standing.

One day a mother was cleaning her son's room and was on a foot stool to get to a tough corner in his room,a mirror fell on the carpet,and the little boy said look mom,i can see myself in the mirror,can you see me? Mom replied not from where I am at present my son.

Hence brother from where one is standing is how that person views that situation. I do not say another is wrong,because in order to say that, i would have to be standing from the view they see! So as i said my Answer remains from a following view of rom 8:14-15,i choose to remain from that view bro. blessing!

Flamingspirit · Nov 16, 2014

No. Both Christians and non-Christians' vote does not matter. I thought that this was at least proven in the Bush/Gore election.

Angelmommie · Nov 16, 2014

In my opinion..YES! assuming we all are voting in the same things according to the bible..example, we vote in someone who is against abortion..(or a lot of somebodys..we are all from diff states)..then those somebodys votes against abortion bills..same goes for gay marriage..those again would be individuals who would fight against the atheist agenda of banning God from everything..do I think we are in a time where things are going to get tough on Christians because that is what God wants..yes, but we still have to stand up for what God says and here in America the way to do that is to vote..when Jesus said give to Caesars what is Caesars, I do not think He was talking just about taxes..I believe He meant follow the laws of man too..here if we want change we vote..I know they all seem to be crooked! but we need to use a united voice in all we do for Christ..we need to try anyway!

posthuman · Nov 16, 2014

Jesus for president

[video=youtube_share;eEfUcRb3JcM]http://youtu.be/eEfUcRb3JcM[/video]

i don't care who's running, or who's elected.

posthuman · Nov 16, 2014

Brighthouse said:

so why did Paul honor the high priest who wrongfully arrested and mistreated him?

Paul looked straight at the Sanhedrin and said,
“My brothers, I have fulfilled my duty to God in all good conscience to this day.”
At this the high priest Ananias ordered those standing near Paul to strike him on the mouth. Then Paul said to him,
“God will strike you, you whitewashed wall! You sit there to judge me according to the law, yet you yourself violate the law by commanding that I be struck!”
Those who were standing near Paul said, “How dare you insult God’s high priest!”
Paul replied,
“Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written:
‘Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people.’ ”
(Acts 23:1-5)

did we all catch that? this is what the law says:
Do not blaspheme God or curse the ruler of your people.
(Exodus 22:28)

did Jesus honor Tiberius Caesar when He taught that it was lawful to pay taxes to him?

And they sent to him some of the Pharisees and some of the Herodians, to trap him in his talk. And they came and said to him,
“Teacher, we know that you are true and do not care about anyone’s opinion. For you are not swayed by appearances, but truly teach the way of God. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not? Should we pay them, or should we not?”
But, knowing their hypocrisy, he said to them,
“Why put me to the test? Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.”
And they brought one. And he said to them,
“Whose likeness and inscription is this?”
They said to him, “Caesar’s.” Jesus said to them,
“Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”
And they marveled at him.
(Mark 12:13-17)

what makes a king worthy of honor? is the fact that God has appointed him king not good enough for us?

Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.
(1 Peter 2:17)

does the scripture say "judge who God has set over you before you honor them" ?
i read, "honor everyone. honor the emperor"
if the apostles did not teach that we should disrespect and hate Caesar Nero, who literally fed them to the lions, how should we hate and disrespect the man God has appointed over us today, if his greatest evil is to try to bring health care to the poor and to treat immigrants like human beings?

Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus.
No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him.
(2 Timothy 2:3-4)

the affairs of the world are not our affairs.

Jesus for president. He is not elected or 'voted for.' no man can live up to His throne. there is no term limit on His reign.

posthuman · Nov 16, 2014

how did the 'holy roman empire' work out?

good idea for the church to get into politics or no? inconclusive?

phil112 · Nov 16, 2014

VCO said:

Not as much of a difference as we can make by truly living for Christ. But don't think for a second that you should bypass a certain arena where your opinion and influence can be heard.
You don't want to tell Christ on that day, "Yes I lived for you, well everywhere but at the polls. I didn't try because I figured evil was going to win anyway...I'm sure, my Lord, you understand. Don't you?"

You can't be a part time Christian. It is a full time vocation. If you, or anyone, thinks that Christ is okay with you passing up a chance to represent Him, you are sadly mistaken.

phil112 · Nov 16, 2014

Flamingspirit said:

It's going to matter on judgement day when you tell Christ that you didn't try.

Perhaps you need to read the parable of the talents again.
Matthew 25:14-30

Brighthouse · Nov 16, 2014

LOL I get you Posthuman!! Not easy being in flesh in some areas of my life i know!! I am not Paul! LOL But you make a fine point! When i can get to where Paul is standing i will be able to see his view ,not there yet bro!! LOL

posthuman · Nov 16, 2014

phil112 said:

i'm right there with you.

but what do you do when there are only two choices and one supports covetousness and usury, and the other supports lewdness and debauchery?
pick a sin you personally hate more and vote against it?

republican ≠ Jesus.
democrat ≠ Jesus.

there's only one name worth supporting under heaven, and i've yet to see it on a ballot. the gospel of gun rights is not the gospel i received. the gospel of tax cuts isn't the gospel i received. the gospel of closed borders isn't the gospel i received. the gospel of imperialist war isn't the gospel i received. the gospel of licentiousness isn't the gospel i received. the gospel of pantheism isn't the gospel i received. the kingdom i'm adopted into isn't of this world -- what fellowship do i have with it?

if there's no one to vote for, what is it i'm doing when i vote against? every four years we get a ticket with Satan v. Beelzebub. no one really wins this time.

posthuman · Nov 16, 2014

seriously, i have no idea who to vote for, and both parties completely disgust me. for 20 years i've been writing in names that stand no real chance of election.

SolidGround · Nov 16, 2014

I didn't want to bring this up initially, due to the inevitable conflict that comes with such an opinion, but it's very relevant to this discussion.

The ones who say that voting is a "responsibility" of a Christian, even to the point of saying that we will be held accountable on the Last Day for not voting, they are forgetting who the Bible says places rulers.

Democracy is humanism put into a governmental format, saying that humans set up rulers for themselves, not God.

Some will counter this and say, "but democracy holds leaders accountable, and enables freedoms",
but those ideas still place man as somehow sovereign over governing authorities, and is indirectly saying that we are in control instead of God.

This "responsibility" to vote FORCES Believers to disobey God's Word which says we should not get wrapped up in the affairs of this world. To vote well, a person must be well versed in the current affairs and must hold opinions on them all. Sounds like Satan has found a way to make something look like it's good, while actual being a huge distraction.

I'm not saying that other governments are somehow better, but just that INVOLVEMENT requires us to disobey our calling.

Angelmommie · Nov 16, 2014

posthuman said:

Wouldnt it be great if every christian in 2016 went and wrote Jesus Christ as a write in for President!! ok that would just be great!

VCO · Nov 16, 2014

Brighthouse said:

Amen, well said. And thank you for your Service as well. As for honoring the king, my view is, I too believe he has to earn that personal honor, BUT THE POSITION IS TO BE HONORED NO MATTER WHAT. I still would stand at attention if I heard the band starting to play "Hail to the Chief", even if it was Obama coming through the door. I still would stand and salute a man wearing the Congressional Medal of Honor, even if that man personally was a jerk. I still always stand and salute the Flag coming down the street in a parade, even though our Country frequently is far less than our forefathers intended it to be. I still believe in the Expressions: "ONE NATION UNDER GOD" and "IN GOD WE TRUST", even though the majority of Americans do not.

I was in the U.S. Air Force Security Service. That is not the MPs but rather the branch that tries to collect information via electronic surveillance. The closest I got to Nam was typing the flight orders for our aircrews flying the electronic surveillance missions over the Trail. Yes I tried three or four times to sneak my name on that aircrew list, but my LT. made me retype it every time.

In the Prison Ministry, I learned to rejoice over the few, and to be content with making the rest accountable for the Truth. I also prayed for others to come also later to water the seed that I had sown without seeing it sprout.

Stephen63 · Nov 16, 2014

VCO said:

NOPE.

How many of our presidents were Freemasons? You might be shocked....

There are 2 political parties, & both have the same general agenda.....

Someone mentioned the scriptures about God being in control & His plan cannot be changed. This is true. That's why all prophesies about end times cannot be changed, whether by vote, or prayer, or anything else.

But what is God doing? What was He doing when Babylon overran & destroyed Judah & took their best people? What was He doing when Assyria destroyed the 10 tribes? These were planned in advance and warnings given by the prophets.

These "foreign governments" thought they were doing what they wanted..... but it was never so.

There will come a new government, thinking they are doing what they want. Even now they are ruling in the shadows, that's why they are called a shadow govt..... an oligarchy, as previously stated. And rightly stated, BTW.

Anyone who has been studying scripture, especially that concerning the NWO, knows that voting on national leaders has been a hoax for since nearly the beginning of our nation.

Flamingspirit · Nov 16, 2014

phil112 said:

You really believe I will be scolded for not voting either democrat or republican? This is what's wrong with us today. We still act like children who need those to make our decisions for us.

skipp · Nov 16, 2014

posthuman said:

My biggest problem is when certain secular political philosophies get mixed in with the Gospel message. That's why American Christianity can at times seem very secular and worldly and overly political. I actually find both political parties to hold very unbiblical beliefs.

skipp · Nov 16, 2014

posthuman said:

i'm right there with you.

but what do you do when there are only two choices and one supports covetousness and usury, and the other supports lewdness and debauchery?
pick a sin you personally hate more and vote against it?

republican ≠ Jesus.
democrat ≠ Jesus.

there's only one name worth supporting under heaven, and i've yet to see it on a ballot. the gospel of gun rights is not the gospel i received. the gospel of tax cuts isn't the gospel i received. the gospel of closed borders isn't the gospel i received. the gospel of imperialist war isn't the gospel i received. the gospel of licentiousness isn't the gospel i received. the gospel of pantheism isn't the gospel i received. the kingdom i'm adopted into isn't of this world -- what fellowship do i have with it?

if there's no one to vote for, what is it i'm doing when i vote against? every four years we get a ticket with Satan v. Beelzebub. no one really wins this time.

This is an excellent post. There's nothing wrong with voting but we must be clear eyed about it. Neither political party is a Christian party.

VCO · Nov 16, 2014

History will prove George W. Bush, was one of the BEST Christian Presidents we ever had. We have since discovered that since the Democrats ran off at the mouth saying President Bush made up the story of the WMDs; we have found out that Syria had a bunch of them and started using them on their people who are rebelling against the Dictator Bashar al-Assad. NOW in recent weeks, ISIS captured some more of those WMDs that Saddam hid. AND NOBODY WANTS TO REMEMBER THE DEMOCRATS ACCUSED PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH OF LYING ABOUT THERE BEING WMDs IN IRAQ.

[video=youtube;6ZkExYK_YWk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZkExYK_YWk[/video]

VCO · Nov 16, 2014

VCO said:

What are the odds of everyone of those illegals that the President wants to give Amnesty and a fast pathway to Citizenship; becoming Democrats? TALK ABOUT STUFFING THE BALLOT BOX AND FIXING THE NEXT ELECTION. I smell a Demoncratic rat in the pantry.

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