Can I change reality with my words?

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Angela53510

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Those notes were delivered, with their interpretations intact, from the HS for me to teach and preach. If you have a problem with their presentation, take it up with the HS. Don't accuse me of not looking up something and praying when your interpretation is different. They are just words and words are not perfect by any means. I am not WOF or Word Faith as you call it. :cool:
Interesting! Both arrogant and delusional!

No, the canon is closed. God did not magically give you these notes above. As for you not being Word Faith or not, your so-called HS given notes are identical to the Word Faith heresy. Which was started in the 1890s, continuing till his death in 1948, and perpetuated by the likes of Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, then the other flock fleecers like Osteen, Joseph Prince, Benny Hinn, and too many others to mention!

Another big heresy is people who think they are right because God speaks directly to them about major changes to doctrine. Mohammed and Joseph Smith spring immediately to mind.

But your tiny, uneducated response also qualifies. You really have pulled yourself completely out of the debate by your utter arrogance propagating this heretical, unbiblical doctrine. And claiming it to be yours, directly from God is the definition of delusional. I admit, I have not heard even the Word Faith followers doing this, although certainly many of the leaders do this. And a doctrine of demons has to come from somewhere, doesn't it?

I do not deny God speaks to each of us, in many ways. Through his Word, mostly, but through preachers and teachers, through other people, and sometimes through the small, still voice Elijah heard.

But today, God does not hand out a broad sheet to someone like you, who wouldn't understand hermeneutics if he tried. What you are talking about is delusions of grandeur, associated with mental illness.

Even the fact that you thought I was addressing you in my post, when I had not even seen your first post, is evidence of self centred grandiosity. If you had looked at said I was addressing my post, I even said OP in it!

"So, time for the OP to start reading the Bible," the beginning of the third last paragraph.

Although, I suppose that could be poor reading skills on your part. Perhaps you, Deade, should consider seeing a doctor or counselor, or even a proper pastor, to help you understand your major issue, of making everything "all about me!" Those types are attracted to Word Faith, sadly!
 

Subhumanoidal

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If I want a car can I go to the dealership, place my hand on a car and say, I'm declaring that this car will be mine's RIGHT NOW!

The bible says:

there is power and life in the tongue.

If I tell the mountain to be cast in the sea, it will happen.

When the children of Israel were going through the wilderness, God came near their tents and heard them saying Moses took them in the wilderness to die. God said it will be done just as they have said. And only their children will see the promised land.

How do you guys feel on this matter?
It's basically New Age (a form of occult) wrapped in a biblical wrapping paper so Christians will blindly accept teachings forbidden in the bible, while claiming it's biblical...
It's amazing and disheartening to see how many defend occult teachings in the name of God.
 

Guojing

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The Law of attraction will not be true for you so long as you do not believe it, in your heart.
 

TheLearner

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If I want a car can I go to the dealership, place my hand on a car and say, I'm declaring that this car will be mine's RIGHT NOW!

The bible says:

there is power and life in the tongue.

If I tell the mountain to be cast in the sea, it will happen.

When the children of Israel were going through the wilderness, God came near their tents and heard them saying Moses took them in the wilderness to die. God said it will be done just as they have said. And only their children will see the promised land.

How do you guys feel on this matter?
Kim, did you bring enough money with you to buy the car? Did you get it? If you got it, was it because you paid for it?

Matthew 6:27 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
27 You cannot add any time to your life by worrying about it.

We know from science that anxiety shortens one's life, not add time to one's life.

James 1:26 [ The True Way to Worship God ] You might think you are a very religious person. But if your tongue is out of control, you are fooling yourself. Your careless talk makes your offerings to God worthless.

James 3 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
Controlling the Things We Say
3 My brothers and sisters, not many of you should be teachers. I say this because, as you know, we who teach will be judged more strictly than others.

2 We all make many mistakes. A person who never said anything wrong would be perfect. Someone like that would be able to control their whole body too. 3 We put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us. With these bits we can control their whole body. 4 It is the same with ships. A ship is very big, and it is pushed by strong winds. But a very small rudder controls that big ship. And the one who controls the rudder decides where the ship will go. It goes where he wants it to go. 5 It is the same with our tongue. It is a small part of the body, but it can boast about doing great things.

A big forest fire can be started with only a little flame. 6 The tongue is like a fire. It is a world of evil among the parts of our body. It spreads its evil through our whole body and starts a fire that influences all of life. It gets this fire from hell.

7 Humans have control over every kind of wild animal, bird, reptile, and fish, and they have controlled all these things. 8 But no one can control the tongue. It is wild and evil, full of deadly poison. 9 We use our tongues to praise our Lord and Father, but then we curse people who were created in God’s likeness. 10 These praises and curses come from the same mouth. My brothers and sisters, this should not happen. 11 Do good water and bad water flow from the same spring? Of course not. 12 My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree make olives? Or can a grapevine make figs? No, and a well full of salty water cannot give good water.

True Wisdom
13 Are there any among you who are really wise and understanding? Then you should show your wisdom by living right. You should do what is good with humility. A wise person does not boast. 14 If you are selfish and have bitter jealousy in your hearts, you have no reason to boast. Your boasting is a lie that hides the truth. 15 That kind of “wisdom” does not come from God. That “wisdom” comes from the world. It is not spiritual. It is from the devil. 16 Where there is jealousy and selfishness, there will be confusion and every kind of evil. 17 But the wisdom that comes from God is like this: First, it is pure. It is also peaceful, gentle, and easy to please. This wisdom is always ready to help people who have trouble and to do good for others. This wisdom is always fair and honest. 18 People who work for peace in a peaceful way get the blessings that come from right living.
 

Hevosmies

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It's basically New Age (a form of occult) wrapped in a biblical wrapping paper so Christians will blindly accept teachings forbidden in the bible, while claiming it's biblical...
It's amazing and disheartening to see how many defend occult teachings in the name of God.
Yup. The heretics are the MAJORITY! Catholics are the biggest denomination. Second biggest is the name it claim it!

RIP Christianity, just as Jesus predicted. WILL HE FIND FAITH ON EARTH WHEN HE RETURNS?
 

TheLearner

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The Law of attraction will not be true for you so long as you do not believe it, in your heart.
Law of attraction is an occult practice.

"In the New Thought philosophy, the Law of Attraction is the belief that positive or negative thoughts bring positive or negative experiences into a person's life.[1][2] The belief is based on the idea that people and their thoughts are both made from pure energy, and that through the process of like energy attracting like energy a person can improve their own health, wealth, and personal relationships. ...

The New Thought (Law of Attraction Origins) grew out of the teachings of Phineas Quimby in the early 19th century. Early in his life, Quimby was diagnosed with tuberculosis. However, medicinal treatment wasn't working, so he began carriage riding through his hometown, Lebanon, New Hampshire. He then regained his health and recovered, an event that prompted his study of "mind over body".[10] Although he never used the words 'Law of Attraction', he explained this in a statement that captured the concept in the field of health:

the trouble is in the mind, for the body is only the house for the mind to dwell in, and we put a value on it according to its worth. Therefore if your mind has been deceived by some invisible enemy into a belief, you have put it into the form of a disease, with or without your knowledge. By my theory or truth, I come in contact with your enemy and restore you to your health and happiness. This I do partly mentally and partly by talking till I correct the wrong impressions and establish the Truth, and the Truth is the cure.[11]

In 1877, the term 'Law of Attraction' appeared in print for the first time in a book written by the Russian occultist Helena Blavatsky, in a context alluding to an attractive power existing between elements of spirit.[12] (Her book Isis Unveiled discusses esoteric mysteries of ancient theosophy.[13])"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_attraction_(New_Thought)

As a former Gnostic, Science of Mind and Christian Science there is no differences between Word of Faith assumptions those in Occult and "cultic" Circles. In fact, I know of many people in Science of Mind and Christian Science who read Word Faith books to support their false teachings.
 

Deade

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If those notes were indeed delivered to you intact from the Holy Spirit, then just write them down for us to see and they will agree with the revelation given by God in the Holy Scriptures.

But you are not likely to convince many people on this forum by statements like: " Those notes were delivered, with their interpretations intact, from the HS for me to teach and preach. If you have a problem with their presentation, take it up with the HS" ;)
I was addressing the fact that she said I misquoted the intent of the scripture. Then she gave some reference in Proverbs, I never used, to prove it. I am saying the interpretation of my scripture came from divine guidance. There may be multifaceted interpretation for any scripture as long as we don't limit ourselves to one. My statement may seems to be pretentious unless you look at what I was addressing. We both could have been right with different interpretations. Does that clear it up? :cool:
 

oldethennew

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they way my wife and I rely on absolutely everything that we do day-by-day,,, - is we listen/obey to The Holy Spirit's guidance
upon our brand-new hearts/spirits/minds, - and not on our old carnal desires' - this makes our lives so much easier
and totally without 'worldly-stress'...:):) n.b.s here, brothers and sisters., there's simple 'NO OTHER WAY'
to find The Peace/Assurance of God, our Holy Saviour'!!!
 

TheLearner

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Please list the proof texts so we can post the full chapter to look at context.

Good Night all
 

Guojing

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Law of attraction is an occult practice.
True, it can be used for occultist purposes, that is the Devil twisting the things that God has originally blessed us with. Let's look at our father of faith, Abraham as an example.

Do you think there is a reason why God renamed Abram as Abraham, which means Father of many, and called him that when he is still childless?

Next, some scriptures

I will make your offspring like the dust of the earth, so that if anyone could count the dust, then your offspring could be counted. (Gen. 13:16 NIV)​
He took him outside and said, “Look up at the sky and count the stars—if indeed you can count them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.” (Gen. 15:5 NIV)​
I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. (Gen. 22:17 NIV)​
Do you think there is a reason why God repeatedly showed Abraham pictures of the numerous stars at night, and the sand in daytime, for him to keep those pictures of many in his mind all day and night?

 
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Interesting! Both arrogant and delusional!

No, the canon is closed. God did not magically give you these notes above. As for you not being Word Faith or not, your so-called HS given notes are identical to the Word Faith heresy. Which was started in the 1890s, continuing till his death in 1948, and perpetuated by the likes of Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, then the other flock fleecers like Osteen, Joseph Prince, Benny Hinn, and too many others to mention!

Another big heresy is people who think they are right because God speaks directly to them about major changes to doctrine. Mohammed and Joseph Smith spring immediately to mind.

But your tiny, uneducated response also qualifies. You really have pulled yourself completely out of the debate by your utter arrogance propagating this heretical, unbiblical doctrine. And claiming it to be yours, directly from God is the definition of delusional. I admit, I have not heard even the Word Faith followers doing this, although certainly many of the leaders do this. And a doctrine of demons has to come from somewhere, doesn't it?

I do not deny God speaks to each of us, in many ways. Through his Word, mostly, but through preachers and teachers, through other people, and sometimes through the small, still voice Elijah heard.

But today, God does not hand out a broad sheet to someone like you, who wouldn't understand hermeneutics if he tried. What you are talking about is delusions of grandeur, associated with mental illness.

Even the fact that you thought I was addressing you in my post, when I had not even seen your first post, is evidence of self centred grandiosity. If you had looked at said I was addressing my post, I even said OP in it!

"So, time for the OP to start reading the Bible," the beginning of the third last paragraph.

Although, I suppose that could be poor reading skills on your part. Perhaps you, Deade, should consider seeing a doctor or counselor, or even a proper pastor, to help you understand your major issue, of making everything "all about me!" Those types are attracted to Word Faith, sadly!
Yea I was reading up on that word faith thing, seems those charismatic preachers use a lot of it.
There’s more movements than one can shake a stick at or cord, lol
 

Deade

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Interesting! Both arrogant and delusional!

No, the canon is closed. God did not magically give you these notes above. As for you not being Word Faith or not, your so-called HS given notes are identical to the Word Faith heresy. Which was started in the 1890s, continuing till his death in 1948, and perpetuated by the likes of Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, then the other flock fleecers like Osteen, Joseph Prince, Benny Hinn, and too many others to mention!

Another big heresy is people who think they are right because God speaks directly to them about major changes to doctrine. Mohammed and Joseph Smith spring immediately to mind.

But your tiny, uneducated response also qualifies. You really have pulled yourself completely out of the debate by your utter arrogance propagating this heretical, unbiblical doctrine. And claiming it to be yours, directly from God is the definition of delusional. I admit, I have not heard even the Word Faith followers doing this, although certainly many of the leaders do this. And a doctrine of demons has to come from somewhere, doesn't it?

I do not deny God speaks to each of us, in many ways. Through his Word, mostly, but through preachers and teachers, through other people, and sometimes through the small, still voice Elijah heard.

But today, God does not hand out a broad sheet to someone like you, who wouldn't understand hermeneutics if he tried. What you are talking about is delusions of grandeur, associated with mental illness.

Even the fact that you thought I was addressing you in my post, when I had not even seen your first post, is evidence of self centred grandiosity. If you had looked at said I was addressing my post, I even said OP in it!

"So, time for the OP to start reading the Bible," the beginning of the third last paragraph.

Although, I suppose that could be poor reading skills on your part. Perhaps you, Deade, should consider seeing a doctor or counselor, or even a proper pastor, to help you understand your major issue, of making everything "all about me!" Those types are attracted to Word Faith, sadly!
Unfortunate it always turn into verbal assaults when something does not please you. I wish you well despite the fact you wish to demean me. The HS can give someone an interpretation of scripture without writing new scripture so sure: canon closed. I need no mental doctor, but I will forgive you for suggesting such. :)
 

TheLearner

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The Law of attraction will not be true for you so long as you do not believe it, in your heart.
Ok, here is a simple challenge confess everyone on earth will accept Jesus into their life by This Coming Saturday which is Feb 9, 2019. If your confession can change reality, than that would be the largest mountain you can move.

Has anyone noticed a Mountain Jumping into the Sea Anywhere?

What happened with the Car?
 

Guojing

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How do you guys feel on this matter?
The general rule for Word of Faith churches is this, "You can only claim by faith what God has provided to you, thru Jesus, by grace".

There was a famous story where a lady wanted to marry Kenneth Copeland, when he was already married to Gloria. She kept claiming it by faith, but obviously it did not work, because Jesus's finished work does not include allowing us to commit adultery. ;)

Jesus died on the cross and thru the divine exchange, gave all of us three main things by grace

-Righteousness
-Health Isaiah 53:5
-Prosperity 2 Corinthians 8:9

It is up to each of us to claim each, by faith. Most Christians have no problem claiming the 1st one, since every Protestant church basically teaches that.

More and more churches are also believing the 2nd gift and are practising claiming it by faith too. But we have to struggle a lot with erasing years of being taught that "God made me sick to teach me a lesson" so it will take time.

The third gift, prosperity, people tend to keep quiet in churches. Let me stress that, it is more than just money and material wealth. I would not claim a car like that, as I were you.
 

Deade

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The general rule for Word of Faith churches is this, "You can only claim by faith what God has provided to you, thru Jesus, by grace".

There was a famous story where a lady wanted to marry Kenneth Copeland, when he was already married to Gloria. She kept claiming it by faith, but obviously it did not work, because Jesus's finished work does not include allowing us to commit adultery. ;)

Jesus died on the cross and thru the divine exchange, gave all of us three main things by grace

-Righteousness
-Health Isaiah 53:5
-Prosperity 2 Corinthians 8:9

It is up to each of us to claim each, by faith. Most Christians have no problem claiming the 1st one, since every Protestant church basically teaches that.

More and more churches are also believing the 2nd gift and are practising claiming it by faith too. But we have to struggle a lot with erasing years of being taught that "God made me sick to teach me a lesson" so it will take time.

The third gift, prosperity, people tend to keep quiet in churches. Let me stress that, it is more than just money and material wealth. I would not claim a car like that, as I were you.
I was listening to Robert Tilton a WOF minister on TV and I started criticizing him for his name it and claim it stance. To my surprise, the HS rebuked me. I asked the Spirit if he was preaching truth. The answer: It is none of my business. The Spirit then let me know that the word of God is alive and addresses many on different levels. So the best any of us can claim is: The Spirit has not dealt with me that way. Since then, I leave another's ministry alone lest I trample God's work. ;)
 
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Ok, here is a simple challenge confess everyone on earth will accept Jesus into their life by This Coming Saturday which is Feb 9, 2019. If your confession can change reality, than that would be the largest mountain you can move.

Has anyone noticed a Mountain Jumping into the Sea Anywhere?

What happened with the Car?
Well that would throw a wrench in the whole sprocket wouldn’t it?

Matthew 10
34Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn ‘A man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36A man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’
 

Poinsetta

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Well that would throw a wrench in the whole sprocket wouldn’t it?

Matthew 10
34Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn ‘A man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36A man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’
Confess!! Haha i can’t
 

Laish

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If I want a car can I go to the dealership, place my hand on a car and say, I'm declaring that this car will be mine's RIGHT NOW!

The bible says:

there is power and life in the tongue.

If I tell the mountain to be cast in the sea, it will happen.

When the children of Israel were going through the wilderness, God came near their tents and heard them saying Moses took them in the wilderness to die. God said it will be done just as they have said. And only their children will see the promised land.

How do you guys feel on this matter?
Ok got a question. Why a car for you ? How about a cure for cancer ? Homes for the homeless or clothes and food for the poor? Why all the concern for the here and now ? This life is so finite compared to what comes after. The time spent here will be like comparing the smallest subatomic partial to all matter in creation. In the time Jesus spent dwelling among us on earth he cured the sick fed the hungry. I don’t recall any giving new chariots to folks . Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior was doing the will of the Father. Jesus in fact told folks to sell what they had give it to the poor then follow Him . The apostles in Jerusalem were in such need that Paul gathered money from the Church to meet their needs. Don’t you think that Peter could have gone out to a grain field and and laid his hands on a silo and say this food is mine RIGHT NOW!
Where did the very people that saw and talked to Jesus and were even inspired by the Holy Spirit to write some of the Holy Scriptures get it wrong?
Blessings
Bill