Can I change reality with my words?

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posthuman

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Some things, I can understand where there's a misunderstanding of scripture. Such as, what is required for salvation or even OSAS, but when someone ADDS to a verse, clearly changing the meaning of it, that to me is perverting the word of God or the truth.
For example, if God says He will do or give to you whatever you want, what you will, or even whatsoever you desire, then to add, "so long as it is the will of God" to said verses, is to take the meaning/context of the verse in a completely different direction.
All of a sudden, it is no longer about what you want, desire, believe, or whatever you will, it now rests solely on the will of God, not yours or what is written.
Many who use this tactic, don't know what God wants or what His will is. Which directly results in transitioning one from knowing or having faith, to wondering, wishing, and/or hoping.
It basically says, what is written, is a lie as is, or that it is a deception, at the very least.
It doesn't make the truth of God's word the "whole council of God", but changes the truth into a lie that lines up with their church's doctrine.
The will of God is already written. He said, whatsoever YOU WILL, WANT, OR DESIRE. That is the will of God, for that is what is says, and that is exactly what it means.
What if I were to use the same tactic to verses of salvation or OSAS? Would it change the meaning of those verses?
You know it would.
"Ye are saved by grace, through faith, so long as it is the will of God to save you."
At this point, you don't know if it is the will of God to save you or not, because I added to that verse, changing it from what you do, solely on the will of God. It no longer matters what you want or what you do, it only matters what God's will is.
How can anyone put their confidence, trust, or faith in scripture if you pervert the truth by completely altering, not only what is written, but the meaning as well?

Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
please allow me to just highlight a coupe of things you said here..

  • "when someone ADDS to a verse, clearly changing the meaning of it, that to me is perverting the word of God or the truth."
  • "He said, whatsoever YOU WILL, WANT, OR DESIRE. That is the will of God, for that is what is says, and that is exactly what it means."
  • "How can anyone put their confidence, trust, or faith in scripture if you pervert the truth by completely altering, not only what is written, but the meaning as well?"
  • "Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you."

the bold / large font / underline is your own formatting.
but what if i bold / enlarge / underline something else in the same text?

  • "Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you."

do you see what i see here?
did one of us pervert the meaning of the text?
 

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please allow me to just highlight a coupe of things you said here..

  • "when someone ADDS to a verse, clearly changing the meaning of it, that to me is perverting the word of God or the truth."
  • "He said, whatsoever YOU WILL, WANT, OR DESIRE. That is the will of God, for that is what is says, and that is exactly what it means."
  • "How can anyone put their confidence, trust, or faith in scripture if you pervert the truth by completely altering, not only what is written, but the meaning as well?"
  • "Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you."

the bold / large font / underline is your own formatting.
but what if i bold / enlarge / underline something else in the same text?

  • "Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you."

do you see what i see here?
did one of us pervert the meaning of the text?
Yep......conditional big time
 

know1

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Surely you do not think the will of God is in every prayer people pray in selfish desires???

I constantly stand on the verses promising answered prayer.
It would be foolish to enter into petitions to heaven with flippant,destructive requests outside God's will. Then past onto those reckless requests verses from the word.

1Ki 22:20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
1Ki 22:21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
1Ki 22:22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
1Ki 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

As far as I can tell, God does not DO the evil, but He does sanction it, because of the sins of the person.
Many times, God is not the only one sanctioning the bad from taking place.
We also sanction it by agreeing with the situation.
Again, it is written, "Death and life IS IN THE POWER OF THE TONGUE..."
That's not just God's tongue, but ours as well.
 

Lanolin

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People keep bolding and underlining scriputre to make the word they want to read stand out.

I just find that personally rather annoying because in the Bible all the words are the same. Maybe some of the words of Jesus are in red, and some of the quotations from the OT are maybe in caps, and any extra words are in italics that werent part of the hebrw/greek oringinal words to help the bible read and make sense, but no Bible that I know has all this underlining and bold in scripture.

This is just what you personally want to add. Then it makes out like youve ignored everything that isnt in bold or underlined.
 

Lanolin

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People who ignore Gods word and pray selfish prayers well it is said thats an abomination to God.

See proverbs 28:9

Proverbs 15:29

Only the prayers of the righteous are answered so be sure you are in Christ. The fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Say you want to pray that you want to steal someone elses wife or husband and make them love you instead of their own spouse. Will God answer that prayer? Dont think so! I mean thats just an example of a silly prayer to do with ones own lust. Am not saying that people dont do that because ive heard some pretty strange prayer requests in my time. Some people are so driven to want what their wicked heart wants that they will pray to any god to have what they desire. And some actually think our God almighty will answer them.

This is why the holy spirit helps us to pray. We may pray for what we think we want, but the holy spirit sees things from Gods perspective and sees the higher purpose for what God wills.
 

know1

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please allow me to just highlight a coupe of things you said here..

  • "when someone ADDS to a verse, clearly changing the meaning of it, that to me is perverting the word of God or the truth."
  • "He said, whatsoever YOU WILL, WANT, OR DESIRE. That is the will of God, for that is what is says, and that is exactly what it means."
  • "How can anyone put their confidence, trust, or faith in scripture if you pervert the truth by completely altering, not only what is written, but the meaning as well?"
  • "Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you."

the bold / large font / underline is your own formatting.
but what if i bold / enlarge / underline something else in the same text?

  • "Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you."

do you see what i see here?
did one of us pervert the meaning of the text?
Absolutely not.
How did I pervert it?
You might want to reread what I wrote to get an understanding of what I was talking about.
I you will notice, I quoted the whole verse, including the very words you enlarged. I didn't add to it to change the meaning.
If I were to add to that verse, "if it be the will of God", like many do, it would pervert what it says.
I did not do that.
What you highlighted are preconditions to what I highlighted.
If you don't abide in Christ, and His word abide in you, then you can still ask for what you want, HOWEVER, IT will NOT, I REPEAT, NOT BE DONE ACCORDING TO YOUR WILL, even as it is written.
Thank you for at least using one of the promises of God to point something out.
I welcome such challenges.
Not because I know I'm correct, but because it is based on a promise of God.
I live on the promises of God's word.
 

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1Ki 22:20

As far as I can tell, God does not DO the evil, but He does sanction it, because of the sins of the person.
Many times, God is not the only one sanctioning the bad from taking place.
We also sanction it by agreeing with the situation.
Again, it is written, "Death and life IS IN THE POWER OF THE TONGUE..."
That's not just God's tongue, but ours as well.
God does not allow sin because of the sins of the person; God uses evil to bring about His glory.

The world is under a curse, which therefore makes natural evil present everywhere, and it’s inhabited by evil people that are evil to the core. Sin can be classed as original sin, moral sin, and spiritual sin (demons…etc.)

God is absolutely sovereign, He is in charge of everything including evil. “the earth is the Lord's, and all its fullness.” 1 Corinthians 10:26. for “the earth is the Lord's, and all its fullness. 1 Corinthians 10:28

“All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; He does according to His will in the army of heaven And among the inhabitants of the earth. No one can restrain His hand Or say to Him, “What have You done?” Daniel 4:35

God uses evil to accomplish His will and to bring about His glory. God is holy, He cannot do evil, God can not look upon evil positively (Note: I have not said that God cannot look at evil). God is incapable of doing anything evil. God is content to leave the responsibility for evils existence and even it’s action with Himself.

God wills that evil exist

Look at Job, God allowed Satan to test Job for a period of time, and then there is Paul who complained about a thorn in his flesh, a messenger of Satan to buffet him; to keep him humble (2 Corinthians 12:7) Paul asked God to remove this thorn. God did not remove the thorn but told Paul “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” (2 Corinthians 12:9)

God permitted evil in the above mentioned situations to display Job's faithfulness. And for Paul's situation to display His strength through Paul's weakness. Both gained wisdom, learning, and a greater closeness with God.

Always remember

But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 5:20-21).

Sickness, in itself is not always associated with a persons sinful state. It is related to God's purpose and will.

"Now as Jesus passed by, He saw a man who was blind from birth. And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him. (John 9:1-3).

Charlotte Elliott, born in London in 1789, suffered from a serious illness at 32 that left her disabled for the rest of her life. A swiss minister and hymnologist (César Malan), counseled her to replace her anger and inner conflict with a simple faith in God. Charlotte received an inner peace and used her talents in literary writing to create hymns. One of her hymns that may stand out is “Just as I Am.”

Just as I Am was the signature hymn of Billy Graham Crusades for many years.

 

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oh my goodness, we, who Love and are servants of Yeshua, should always rely/depend upon HIS WORD -
we don't always get it at first, but as we try and obey as we must, His Love will eventually bring us
into His Holy realm, where peace and Holy comfort will keep us and teach us how to abide in
His Holy Will...
 

oldethennew

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thank you sweetheart for your understanding and for the courage to express it!!! hugs...
 

posthuman

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If I were to add to that verse, "if it be the will of God", like many do, it would pervert what it says.
I did not do that.
What you highlighted are preconditions to what I highlighted.
If you don't abide in Christ, and His word abide in you, then you can still ask for what you want, HOWEVER, IT will NOT, I REPEAT, NOT BE DONE ACCORDING TO YOUR WILL, even as it is written.

can you abide in Him and have a will that is not according to His?

If ye abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
(John 15:7)

can you abide in Him, and His words abide in you, and you have a will to wish for what is not His will?

you said that to say '
if it be the will of God' is a perversion of what this says -- so suppose you ask for what is not His will: what does the fact that you wish and ask for something which is not His will indicate about whether you abide in Him and whether His word abides in you? negative, right?


so how would that be a perverted inference from this text?
 

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True, but Jesus's finished work on the cross accomplish more than just salvation for all who believe.

If you don't want to partake on those other things, that is a choice that you make.
'just salvation"???

It sounds like we may have differing ideas of what that word means because I would never use the adjective "just" as if it's a common thing easily dismissed.

To me salvation means adoption into God's family and that means more than anything this world has to offer.

Salvation and all that comes with it are not optional. Either you are or your not. Either your heart and life is changed or you lie to yourself.
 

AgapeShellArt

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But Sir, if I believed in something why would I need to ask a hypothetical question?

And if I actually believed that, then you mean to tell me that you think you are so big and powerful to get me to "twist out of them"? Sir instead of browbeating people into agreeing with you, go and chat with others who share your opinions.

There are persons who have testified that they have done exactly as the hypothetical question i asked, and they received the things or blessings they claimed. If I want to discuss the matter to ask everyone there take on it, then I can. All you need to do, is state what you believe about the topic and allow others to do the same. Even if there be any difference of opinions, that's cool, I want to hear everyone's opinion on the matter so I can increase in knowledge and form a proper opinion myself.

I am not a bible scholar, I want to hear what people have to say. Is it a sin to ask a question?

If I had started the thread preaching that you all should claim your cars, and houses and healings then I could understand you having an issue with that.

But I only asked a question, I did not mean for it to be taken as my personal feelings on the matter.

I would also advise you and others not to thrash those who make claims of extraordinary things God did for them. How can we be sure those people are not speaking truthfully?

Anyway I'm done. I will not respond to anymore browbeating.
I actually heard and experienced God providing in miraculous ways.

All I know is that God has never forsaken me. He gives me food, shelter and purpose for each day. At this point in my life He has blessed me with the stewardship of a house, family and car among other things.

However, God has taught me that I don't own any of those things. They are on loan as we sorjourn here on Earth.

This world is not our home.

We are merely passing through. We are called to be a light unto the world, to love others and be ambassador for our Heavenly Father and King.

Seek first the Kingdom of God and all else will be added.

If people truly feel God's will for their lives then they need not worry about food, clothes or cars because God will provide.

We are to work for God's kingdom not material gain or possessions.
 

AgapeShellArt

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I have been blessed to have meet a woman who testified about how God healed her eyes from blindness because of a stranger's prayer in the hospital.

Being rich or poor is not important. What is important is what do you do with the resources God has entrusted you with? Do you spend it on your own selfish pleasure or do you use it to show God's love to others?
 

AgapeShellArt

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Can you quote one scripture where anyone comes to him for healing, he decline to heal? As far as I know, there is none.
Luke 4
23And he said to them, “Doubtless you will quote to me this proverb, ‘“Physician, heal yourself.” What we have heard you did at Capernaum, do here in your hometown as well.’” 24And he said, “Truly, I say to you, no prophet is acceptable in his hometown. 25But in truth, I tell you, there were many widows in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heavens were shut up three years and six months, and a great famine came over all the land, 26and Elijah was sent to none of them but only to Zarephath, in the land of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow. 27And there were many lepersa in Israel in the time of the prophet Elisha, and none of them was cleansed, but only Naaman the Syrian.” 28When they heard these things, all in the synagogue were filled with wrath.

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God's miracles serve a purpose and are not granted to all people. He is not a genie for people to say a prayer/wish and expect Him to bend to their will.

God is King of Kings. He is in charge and Jesus told us just like not all widows were saved, not all people will be healed.

They said "Physician heal thyself. Do what you did in our hometown" and Jesus basically said NO. SO they wanted to stone Him.
 

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1Ki 22:20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
1Ki 22:21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
1Ki 22:22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
1Ki 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

As far as I can tell, God does not DO the evil, but He does sanction it, because of the sins of the person.
Many times, God is not the only one sanctioning the bad from taking place.
We also sanction it by agreeing with the situation.
Again, it is written, "Death and life IS IN THE POWER OF THE TONGUE..."
That's not just God's tongue, but ours as well.
When people pray " back door prayers" they invoke paul. Where he saw no answer.
They find the weakest verses name them,then claim them, for their own testimony ,and proceed to settle for less. Its like they spin the wheel of heaven,hoping to hit the small ever so elusive answered prayer slot.

IOW,A NON FAITH walk and expectation.
Yes our words bring what we say and believe.
It is a fact
 

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To the original OP, feel free to believe what you want, but you might want to know that the Blab it and Grab it gospel has its roots in an occult practice or ideology known as "theosophy" and the New Thought movement. It's not just off centre, it's satanic.
 

ToastAndTea

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As far as providing for your everyday needs... Jesus has this covered. Guess what? It's found in Matthew 6

25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life?
28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.
 

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When people pray " back door prayers" they invoke paul. Where he saw no answer.
They find the weakest verses name them,then claim them, for their own testimony ,and proceed to settle for less. Its like they spin the wheel of heaven,hoping to hit the small ever so elusive answered prayer slot.

IOW,A NON FAITH walk and expectation.
Yes our words bring what we say and believe.
It is a fact
When so, then Please Change the World into a World where all follow Christ und Living in peace.
 

cv5

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To the original OP, feel free to believe what you want, but you might want to know that the Blab it and Grab it gospel has its roots in an occult practice or ideology known as "theosophy" and the New Thought movement. It's not just off centre, it's satanic.
You got it friend. When you see Blab it and Grab it, run do not walk to the nearest exit.....
 

know1

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can you abide in Him and have a will that is not according to His?

If ye abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
(John 15:7)

can you abide in Him, and His words abide in you, and you have a will to wish for what is not His will?

you said that to say 'if it be the will of God' is a perversion of what this says -- so suppose you ask for what is not His will: what does the fact that you wish and ask for something which is not His will indicate about whether you abide in Him and whether His word abides in you? negative, right?

so how would that be a perverted inference from this text?
How can anyone ever expect to receive anything from God if they didn't already know what God's will was.
Again, you can't receive from God if you are hoping, wishing, or wondering, as that is NOT of faith.
The truth and will of God is, IF you abide in Christ, and IF His word abide in you, then it is God's will to give or do whatsoever you want.
If you want or ask for something that is wrong or bad, then God made sure He would not give it, because God does and gives good things only, not bad or evil.
Not only that, but you couldn't have any faith that God would answer such a prayer or request.
I won't bother asking you what "in Christ" means, as I'm sure you believe once a person is in Christ, they cannot go out of Christ, but what is your understanding of His word abiding in you?