Can I change reality with my words?

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TheLearner

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Wow, now I know why Christian Science people read Word of Faith. In the Occult it is known as law of attraction. or something like that.
 

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Our Words Convey: Life, Death, Rejection, Salvation.

Genesis 1: God ""said"" & God saw it was good, 9 different times!

Psalms 103:19-21 His angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments "hearkening unto the voice" of his word

Gen 1:3-4 And God ""said"" , and there was light. And God saw that the light was good
(NOTE: The Lord "spoke" & His mighty angles went into motion "hearkening at His voice", the commandment of His Word

Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of (speech) the "tongue" and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

Job 22:28 Thou shalt also (speak) "decree a thing" and it shall be established unto thee: and the light shall shine upon thy ways

Matthew 7:7 "Ask" and it shall be given you; "seek", and ye shall find; "knock", and it shall be opened unto you
(A)sk
(S)eek
(K)nock

Jas 3:5 Even so the "tongue" is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!

Prov 6:2 Thou art snared with the "words" of thy mouth, thou art taken with the "words" of thy mouth.
Prov 16:24 Pleasant "words" are as an honeycomb, sweet to the soul, and health to the bones.

Prov 15:1 A soft "answer" turneth away wrath: but grievous "words" stir up anger.

Proverbs 18:4 The "words" of a man's mouth are as deep waters, and the wellspring of wisdom as a flowing brook.

God changed Abram (meaning high exalted father) to Abraham (meaning father of a multitude of nations) Gen 17:5. He did it by inserting the 5TH letter of the Hebrew alphabet H ("Hei") & the symbol for the number 5 (Grace)

God changed Sarai (meaning my princess) to Sarah (mother of nations) Gen 17:15. He added "H" (Hei/Grace)

After 15 years of silence by God, while Abraham himself tried to make a seed for God. He became too old he GAVE UP.

One yr after God changes thier names, Sarah is with child

Why? Their SPEACH confessions were changed. Everytime they or anyone else SPOKE their NAMES. They declared: Abraham Father of a multitude of nations or Sarah mother of nations! SPOKEN words are SEEDS!

Jericho an unconquerable, walled city. Walls 11 feet high, 14 feet wide. The top a smooth stone slope, angling upward at 35 degrees for 35 feet. Its walls were thought to be impenetrable

Joshua 6:2 & 16 says, God had given the city of Jericho to them before they even began to march around its walls

God gives Joshua a two step plan to conquer. Have the people to march "silently" around Jericho for 6 days, & then on the 7th day, to blow trumpits & SHOUT.

On day 7, Before they blow & shout. Joshus Declares via the SPOKEN word: The Lord has this day given you this city. They blow & SHOUT & the walls tumble down

Why " march silently"? So, no complaining/negative WORDS/SPEACH couldn't get in the way

Luke 1:11 & 13 An angel comes to Zacharias & Elisabeth. Telling they will give birth to John the Baptist. Verse 18 Zacharias SPEAKS WORDS of doubt. & angel causes him to become dumb until the child born

Why? To keep Zachs negative WORDS of UNBELIEF from getting in the way!

Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the "tongue": and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

If our words aren't powerful seeds. How can they carry LIFE & DEATH? We will LIVE & DIE by what we SAY/SPEAK/BELIEVE!.

Our SPOKEN words are seeds. We will eat the friuts of our speach. Whats on your menu?

Final thought:
Do I believe name it, claim it, blab it, grab it is a sound teaching doctrine? Absolutley not!
The only one who can change reality with his words is God Almighty! Whoever claims to change reality with his words claims to be God!
There is only one God!

Of course we should spread Gods word as seed. But the One brings it into life is God himself, not we!
 
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7seasrekeyed

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David was not a Christian so your whatever is of no effect to his discussion.

Every believer who has the gift of evangelism should witness.
Only those who are ordained by a recognized body is to baptize.
The Great Commission in context was given only to the Apostles.
After the Ascension God gave the body of Christ spiritual gifts and/or offices one of which is evangelist.

I Peter 3:15 says to be prepared to give an answer to anyone who asks you about your faith.

We are not called to bible thump.

I am often asked about Jesus on a regular basis by people I do not know. But, they know who I am because of my repatriation in my area, town and city as one who serves others. I do not seek the limelight, it just finds me.

I pray that God brings people across my path who are seeking him. God has even used me as a tool to bring Mormon Missionaries to him. And, has centered Revivals around me in the Military, at Restaurants like Hooters and Twin Peaks and in Nudist Camps. I regularly meet with young ladies who work at the Restaurants at the public Library to teach them how to teach without being preachy. The Camps invite me and are clothed out of respect when I go there to teach.

You my friend should read Shepherd of Hermas since it is included in copies of the NT in the early church and was considered to be Scripture by Many or Some.
David was not a Christian

well no one in the OT was

you are not Jewish...so does that mean you cannot believe in Jesus?

this reverse engineering of scripture is so annoying...sorry, but David was chosen by God Himself...without your permission it would seem...AND anointed by Samuel the profit at God's command to Samuel, to be king

I don't mind someone thumping on the Bible as long as they are anointed by God to do so

otherwise, I do mind it

God has even used me as a tool to bring Mormon Missionaries to him. And, has centered Revivals around me in the Military, at Restaurants like Hooters and Twin Peaks and in Nudist Camps. I regularly meet with young ladies who work at the Restaurants at the public Library to teach them how to teach without being preachy. The Camps invite me and are clothed out of respect when I go there to teach.
I do not seek the limelight, it just finds me.
well good on yah

glad you don't toot your own horn
 
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7seasrekeyed

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isn't it just so cute that the video with Hinn's nephew has been discreetly dropped into two old threads

seems the best proof for slamming anything non Calvin is still someone's else's testimony

so handy...like having a spare when a tire goes flat on your car
 

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Ah bless you Kim. I am sure this one went a few different routes. There is truth in what you said ...yet not. No matter what how we personally believe Christ or GOD can not lie. We can ask Him anything in JESUS name and He WILL do it. What ever we desire when we pray believe you receive it and you will have it. Delight your self in the lord and He will give you the desire of your heart. Ask Jesus anything.. He will do it. On and on.

If we know He hears us we know we have the petitions we asked for. His WILL is His word. The flip side..if we doubt.. let not that man think He will get anything from God. You have not because you ask nor or you are asking wrong. God called those things that be not as though they were.

These are truths. They ALWAYS work. The KEY is.. does it LINE UP with HIS word? Can I do as you have asked here? No. Well I know it does not work that way. Now needing way to get to work or the like.. it will work every time. Something some way He will open all the doors. Its just.. so many times its NOT what WE personally wanted. "that car looks awful, what? A bike?". Sometimes.. you don't have to ask.

Case in point. I was working and I had to walk. Well one night I had a dream. I was riding this Yamaha 185 motorcycle. A few days later I was walking by some old like barn and I could see just the front wheel of a bike. So I go to the man and ask if he wanted to sell it? He said.. just take it. The bike? It was a Yamaha 185. No I never saw it before.. never had a motorcycle before. Was not event thing about any thing like that.

This was just ONE of many many things He always does. I mean.. my heart.. I give anything away.. the LAST thing I do is try to sell it. But most of all.. this is not my home. The streets in heaven.. God used GOLD! Hello? HAHA!

when I give .. I never give to get. I KNOW what BLESSINGS He has promised me in His word. There is up to a 100 fold return. Yet.. that is NOT EVER where my heart or mind is. I give to HIM...because He has blesses me period. To this very moment.. He has always kept His word. I don't go by what any man says.

We are made in HIS image. There is a truth also calling those things that be not as through they were. BUT It has to be written and go in line with HIS word.
 

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The only one who can change reality with his words is God Almighty! Whoever claims to change reality with his words claims to be God!
There is only one God!
We disagree, no harm no foul.

OP question: Can I change reality with my words?

YES! Our words can change our reality, past-present-future.

Faith & Confession

Rom 10:
8 The word is near you, even in your mouth, & in your heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach
(NOTE: The WORD is near, even in our MOUTH/confession)

9 If you will confess with thy mouth that Jesus is Lord, & and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved
(NOTE: Confess with YOUR MOUTH, faith in Jesus sin redemptive payment & resurrection)

10 For with the heart man believes unto righteousness; & with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(NOTE: With OUR MOUTH confession is made unto salvation)

14 (C) and how shall they hear without a preacher?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
(NOTE: Past sins that have already been committed. Once wiped out/forgiven, change our past & our future. Our past of red crimson sin, has become white as wool. As though we had never committed even one sin)

2 Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
(NOTE: When we acknowledge God & place our faith/trust in the Redemptive Sin Atoning Sacrifice. Found in the death, burial & resurrection of Jesus the Christ. Not only are our sins forgiven & transferred/imputed onto Christ. We put on Christ's perfect robe of righteousness that covers us completly. We now become the righteousness of God in Christ)

For 3500 yrs every Pentecost the Book of Ruth is read. The story of Boaz a Kinsman Redeemer. A shadow of Christ & his Bride/Church. Boaz a wealthy landowner of the tribe of Judah. Takes Ruth, a gentile, for his wife.

Ruth 3:9 And he said, Who art thou? And she answered, I am Ruth thine handmaid: ""spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid"" for thou art a near kinsman.
(NOTE: Spread therefore thy skirt (TALITH) over thine handmaid: When a Jewish man & woman married (we are the Bride of Christ) the bridegroom threw the end of his skirt (TALITH) over her head, covering her, to signify that she was now under his covering/protection. When we SAY yes to Christ, he seals us with his Holy Spirit/Talith of covering/protection)
 

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Wow, now I know why Christian Science people read Word of Faith. In the Occult it is known as law of attraction. or something like that.
In the bible, it's called, word of faith.

Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Those preaching against WOF are anti gospel and anti Christ, because words of faith are how the kingdom of God/heaven works.
It's right there in blue and white.
 

know1

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The only one who can change reality with his words is God Almighty! Whoever claims to change reality with his words claims to be God!
There is only one God!

Of course we should spread Gods word as seed. But the One brings it into life is God himself, not we!
I have changed reality with my words of faith, and yet I do not claim to be God!!!
You people make all kinds of false statements, speaking as though it's the gospel and you know it's the truth, when you have absolutely nothing to backup your claims.
You are like ignorant children, repeating what their parents told them, completely void of any understanding.
 

wolfwint

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I have changed reality with my words of faith, and yet I do not claim to be God!!!
You people make all kinds of false statements, speaking as though it's the gospel and you know it's the truth, when you have absolutely nothing to backup your claims.
You are like ignorant children, repeating what their parents told them, completely void of any understanding.
Well, so who is getting the honor? You and your faith? Ore God the One who changes?

Everybody can change his reality with his words. F.e. If you go into an bank and force them to give you all the money you will change your reality. You became from a free man an imprisoned man.

But this is not meant.
You are able to change you reality with words from an poor ore sick ore ugly person to an rich ore healthy ore beautyful person? If so, why this not every believer can? Why we find poor, sick and ugly believers? Is this there own fault? Have not faith enough? Are not such an faith hero like those who claim they can.
There a many false teachers on the road who are telling through visualisation and always repeating words can you change your reality. Methods which you can find in New Age and Shamanism.
I see behind our faith God, who makes it that what we trust comes true.
So that he is got the honor and not our EGO.
 

wolfwint

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We disagree, no harm no foul.

OP question: Can I change reality with my words?

YES! Our words can change our reality, past-present-future.

Faith & Confession

Rom 10:
8 The word is near you, even in your mouth, & in your heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach
(NOTE: The WORD is near, even in our MOUTH/confession)

9 If you will confess with thy mouth that Jesus is Lord, & and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved
(NOTE: Confess with YOUR MOUTH, faith in Jesus sin redemptive payment & resurrection)

10 For with the heart man believes unto righteousness; & with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(NOTE: With OUR MOUTH confession is made unto salvation)

14 (C) and how shall they hear without a preacher?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
(NOTE: Past sins that have already been committed. Once wiped out/forgiven, change our past & our future. Our past of red crimson sin, has become white as wool. As though we had never committed even one sin)

2 Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
(NOTE: When we acknowledge God & place our faith/trust in the Redemptive Sin Atoning Sacrifice. Found in the death, burial & resurrection of Jesus the Christ. Not only are our sins forgiven & transferred/imputed onto Christ. We put on Christ's perfect robe of righteousness that covers us completly. We now become the righteousness of God in Christ)

For 3500 yrs every Pentecost the Book of Ruth is read. The story of Boaz a Kinsman Redeemer. A shadow of Christ & his Bride/Church. Boaz a wealthy landowner of the tribe of Judah. Takes Ruth, a gentile, for his wife.

Ruth 3:9 And he said, Who art thou? And she answered, I am Ruth thine handmaid: ""spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid"" for thou art a near kinsman.
(NOTE: Spread therefore thy skirt (TALITH) over thine handmaid: When a Jewish man & woman married (we are the Bride of Christ) the bridegroom threw the end of his skirt (TALITH) over her head, covering her, to signify that she was now under his covering/protection. When we SAY yes to Christ, he seals us with his Holy Spirit/Talith of covering/protection)
To be sealed with the Holy Spirit, means not an life without sickness, persecution and in neverending wealth. Look into the world and see many sick, persecutet and poor believers. Its not because of lack on faith, ore would you say this?
If God with his power would not stand behind his sayings our faith would not carry us!

How many people set there strong faith in false persons and religions? And there faith helps them finaly nothing!
 

know1

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Well, so who is getting the honor? You and your faith? Ore God the One who changes?

Everybody can change his reality with his words. F.e. If you go into an bank and force them to give you all the money you will change your reality. You became from a free man an imprisoned man.

But this is not meant.
You are able to change you reality with words from an poor ore sick ore ugly person to an rich ore healthy ore beautyful person? If so, why this not every believer can? Why we find poor, sick and ugly believers? Is this there own fault? Have not faith enough? Are not such an faith hero like those who claim they can.
There a many false teachers on the road who are telling through visualisation and always repeating words can you change your reality. Methods which you can find in New Age and Shamanism.
I see behind our faith God, who makes it that what we trust comes true.
So that he is got the honor and not our EGO.
I can pretty much sum up the answer with just one word.
Ignorance.

Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

And much of that ignorance is willful.
Many people will refuse to listen to a person whom they are told is in a cult or teaching doctrines of devils, and the like.
And many others refuse to listen because they can't look at WHAT IS WRITTEN, because they can't take their eyes off from "reality", or what they perceive as reality.
In other words, all they look at is what has happened to others, or what is happening to the rest of the world, instead of looking at WHAT IS WRITTEN.
God said to not let His word DEPART FROM BEFORE YOUR EYES, and to keep it in the midst of your heart, for they (His words) ARE LIFE AND HEALTH TO ALL YOUR FLESH.
The devil ALWAYS tries to get the believers to take their eyes off of the word of God, and at the world of the natural, because it is the same world he is god of.
How can you claim to be in the kingdom of heaven, which is IN YOU, when you are in the world?
Let me put it another way.
The kingdom of heaven is NOT in heaven, but where the believers are, here on earth.
And the kingdom of heaven is NOT the same place as the kingdom of man, or the natural?physical world. It is like the natural and spiritual worlds coexist in the same place, but on different planes.
When you focus your thoughts by looking at what is going on in the physical world, or what has happened, you just left the kingdom of heaven, because where your thoughts are directed, or whatever it is you are looking at with your heart/thoughts, there your are.

Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
Mat 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mat 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

The tree in the above parable are the words you agree with and have received.
The good word, is of course, the word of God, such as,

Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

But an evil word/tree would be anything disagreeing with what is written, even a little. Such as, "yes that is true BUT what about so and so, you know they tried that faith stuff and died", or "that's true BUT what God really meant was, if it be HIS will and NOT what YOU DESIRE." Or something like what you said to me, "look at the rest of the world or church".
Whatever you look at the most, whatever you focus your attention on the most, is what your heart will believe. Which means, that is what your faith will be in or on.
The treasure spoken of is about all the time you spent looking at the words you agreed with and received, whether good or bad.
And who or what does the word of God say brings forth this imaginary treasure into reality?
The man himself.
The "good man... BRINGS FORTH good things, and the evil man BRINGS FORTH evil things.
But at the same time, notice, the seed planted, when it is mature, brings forth the same kind of fruit that the tree is.
For example, an apple tree can only produce apples and not poison berries.
And you you bring them forth by speaking God's word/promises in faith. As it is written. That means, you have to believe what is written ABOVE what you see, hear, feel, perceive, experience, and that of others. Which starts with, looking at what is written and reminding God and the devil what His word says.
Like God said, His people not only don't receive from God, because of their (willful) ignorance, but they are sickly and destroyed because of the same said reason.
You CANNOT have faith in God to do anything for you, when you don't know what He's going to do and you can't have faith in the supernatural when you are always looking at the natural, because your faith will be in whatever you are looking at the most.
If you believe and accept what the doctor says, then that is what you have. If you reject his words, then that is what you don't have.

Luk 8:16 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light.
Luk 8:17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.
Luk 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.
 

wolfwint

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I can pretty much sum up the answer with just one word.
Ignorance.

Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

And much of that ignorance is willful.
Many people will refuse to listen to a person whom they are told is in a cult or teaching doctrines of devils, and the like.
And many others refuse to listen because they can't look at WHAT IS WRITTEN, because they can't take their eyes off from "reality", or what they perceive as reality.
In other words, all they look at is what has happened to others, or what is happening to the rest of the world, instead of looking at WHAT IS WRITTEN.
God said to not let His word DEPART FROM BEFORE YOUR EYES, and to keep it in the midst of your heart, for they (His words) ARE LIFE AND HEALTH TO ALL YOUR FLESH.
The devil ALWAYS tries to get the believers to take their eyes off of the word of God, and at the world of the natural, because it is the same world he is god of.
How can you claim to be in the kingdom of heaven, which is IN YOU, when you are in the world?
Let me put it another way.
The kingdom of heaven is NOT in heaven, but where the believers are, here on earth.
And the kingdom of heaven is NOT the same place as the kingdom of man, or the natural?physical world. It is like the natural and spiritual worlds coexist in the same place, but on different planes.
When you focus your thoughts by looking at what is going on in the physical world, or what has happened, you just left the kingdom of heaven, because where your thoughts are directed, or whatever it is you are looking at with your heart/thoughts, there your are.

Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
Mat 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mat 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

The tree in the above parable are the words you agree with and have received.
The good word, is of course, the word of God, such as,

Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

But an evil word/tree would be anything disagreeing with what is written, even a little. Such as, "yes that is true BUT what about so and so, you know they tried that faith stuff and died", or "that's true BUT what God really meant was, if it be HIS will and NOT what YOU DESIRE." Or something like what you said to me, "look at the rest of the world or church".
Whatever you look at the most, whatever you focus your attention on the most, is what your heart will believe. Which means, that is what your faith will be in or on.
The treasure spoken of is about all the time you spent looking at the words you agreed with and received, whether good or bad.
And who or what does the word of God say brings forth this imaginary treasure into reality?
The man himself.
The "good man... BRINGS FORTH good things, and the evil man BRINGS FORTH evil things.
But at the same time, notice, the seed planted, when it is mature, brings forth the same kind of fruit that the tree is.
For example, an apple tree can only produce apples and not poison berries.
And you you bring them forth by speaking God's word/promises in faith. As it is written. That means, you have to believe what is written ABOVE what you see, hear, feel, perceive, experience, and that of others. Which starts with, looking at what is written and reminding God and the devil what His word says.
Like God said, His people not only don't receive from God, because of their (willful) ignorance, but they are sickly and destroyed because of the same said reason.
You CANNOT have faith in God to do anything for you, when you don't know what He's going to do and you can't have faith in the supernatural when you are always looking at the natural, because your faith will be in whatever you are looking at the most.
If you believe and accept what the doctor says, then that is what you have. If you reject his words, then that is what you don't have.

Luk 8:16 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light.
Luk 8:17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.
Luk 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.
Thank you for your ignorance🙂
All the sick, poor and pesecutet believers are ignorant, because their faith is not strong enough and so they dont change their reality. Is this your view?
Otherwise they could be rich and in health condition and living in peace.
Do you ignore the fact that all believers which were healed through Jesus and the apostles died?
Church saw in the first centurys heavy persecution. And even the apostles could not change their realitys.
According Your view they could have avoid this if they had enough faith in God.
Who is ignorant?
 

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Thank you for your ignorance🙂
All the sick, poor and pesecutet believers are ignorant, because their faith is not strong enough and so they dont change their reality. Is this your view?
Otherwise they could be rich and in health condition and living in peace.
Do you ignore the fact that all believers which were healed through Jesus and the apostles died?
Church saw in the first centurys heavy persecution. And even the apostles could not change their realitys.
According Your view they could have avoid this if they had enough faith in God.
Who is ignorant?
IT IS WRITTEN.
Mar 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE, TO HIM THAT BELIEVETH.

Looks like anything is possible to those who can believe.
I choose to believe what is written.

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Job 7:1 Is there not an appointed time to man upon earth? are not his days also like the days of an hireling?

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Sin causes one to die and God has said, "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God".
So everyone shall die, because IT IS WRITTEN.
It has nothing to do with getting healed of and from sicknesses and diseases.
 

wolfwint

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IT IS WRITTEN.
Mar 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE, TO HIM THAT BELIEVETH.

Looks like anything is possible to those who can believe.
I choose to believe what is written.

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Job 7:1 Is there not an appointed time to man upon earth? are not his days also like the days of an hireling?

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Sin causes one to die and God has said, "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God".
So everyone shall die, because IT IS WRITTEN.
It has nothing to do with getting healed of and from sicknesses and diseases.
Yes, everyone has to die, the very most die because of sickness/ ore out of order of the organs. That means even persons which were healed from any desease will die to another desease. The healing was not there for to guarantee a health life, but to show that Jesus is the son of God.
The cause of all benefit in our life is God!
He is the One who changes things and he is the One dealt to everyman the measure of faith(Rom 12,3)
 

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Yes, everyone has to die, the very most die because of sickness/ ore out of order of the organs. That means even persons which were healed from any desease will die to another desease. The healing was not there for to guarantee a health life, but to show that Jesus is the son of God.
The cause of all benefit in our life is God!
He is the One who changes things and he is the One dealt to everyman the measure of faith(Rom 12,3)
To every man, "according to your faith, be it done unto you".
That is part of the law of faith.
You will die of a disease, because that is what you believe, but I will NOT, because "my God satisfies my mouth with good things, therefore, my youth is renewed like the eagle".
And according to Mat 8:17, Jesus Himself, took my infirmities, and bare my sicknesses, so I don't have to.
And if the lord tarries long enough, I know what age I will be when I die, because He told me, out of the blue, nine years ago. I think because I might have wondered, at one time, what age I would be, when I died.
By what authority to you say, "even persons which were healed from any disease will die from another disease?"
I have not read such a thing.
You must have got that lie from observing how the natural world works.
The good news of the gospel is, we don't have to suffer as the world does, because Jesus not only is our savior and healer, but our protector, preserver, and deliverer from such things as sicknesses and diseases.
God wants all His children healthy till they die, and we don't have to succumb to such.
It is written,

Psa 91:9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
Psa 91:10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

That is because I have made the Lord and His kingdom, my habitation or dwelling place.
Your faith is that you will some day die due to sickness or disease, therefore, as it is written, according to your faith, it will be done to you, and the God of heaven will see to it, because He has to fulfill His word, such as the law of sin, the law of sowing and reaping, and the law of faith.
I choose to walk in the law of life and health in Christ Jesus.
Granted, I did have to say it over and over and over again, while thanking Him for doing so, even before seeing any sign of change.
And why do you waste your time trying to convince someone who has already change his reality, by the spoken word of God?
And why do you waste your time trying to convince me, the word of God is a lie, and the word and law of the world is truth, or rules above the word and promises of God?
And you call yourself a believer?

We are saved and healed, BY the word of God, and we are lost and sick, by the word of the world, of which, the devil is the god of.
 

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To every man, "according to your faith, be it done unto you".
That is part of the law of faith.
You will die of a disease, because that is what you believe, but I will NOT, because "my God satisfies my mouth with good things, therefore, my youth is renewed like the eagle".
And according to Mat 8:17, Jesus Himself, took my infirmities, and bare my sicknesses, so I don't have to.
And if the lord tarries long enough, I know what age I will be when I die, because He told me, out of the blue, nine years ago. I think because I might have wondered, at one time, what age I would be, when I died.
By what authority to you say, "even persons which were healed from any disease will die from another disease?"
I have not read such a thing.
You must have got that lie from observing how the natural world works.
The good news of the gospel is, we don't have to suffer as the world does, because Jesus not only is our savior and healer, but our protector, preserver, and deliverer from such things as sicknesses and diseases.
God wants all His children healthy till they die, and we don't have to succumb to such.
It is written,

Psa 91:9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
Psa 91:10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

That is because I have made the Lord and His kingdom, my habitation or dwelling place.
Your faith is that you will some day die due to sickness or disease, therefore, as it is written, according to your faith, it will be done to you, and the God of heaven will see to it, because He has to fulfill His word, such as the law of sin, the law of sowing and reaping, and the law of faith.
I choose to walk in the law of life and health in Christ Jesus.
Granted, I did have to say it over and over and over again, while thanking Him for doing so, even before seeing any sign of change.
And why do you waste your time trying to convince someone who has already change his reality, by the spoken word of God?
And why do you waste your time trying to convince me, the word of God is a lie, and the word and law of the world is truth, or rules above the word and promises of God?
And you call yourself a believer?

We are saved and healed, BY the word of God, and we are lost and sick, by the word of the world, of which, the devil is the god of.
Part of the problem in the wof debate is that our walk in power is 2 fold.
1) passive protection and blessing and favor etc.

2)proactive. This is where I go against the enemy directly and speak the word over myself and family directly.
My "tools" are word of God,faith,authority,and knowledge of my position in Christ.
Also is my knowledge of the exponent of the anointing (elish/elijah) as well as Gods will for healing and prosperity.

People suffer needlessly over not even knowing it is Gods will to heal and prosper.


They flat out do not know their bibles.

In healing they know about 4 anti healing verses from paul that they pull out like a gunslinger and somehow think the 75 other verses are now voided.
In prosperity they can recite mans failure in Gods entrustments (the gospel,the anointing and finances)

So they frame Gods entire storehouse of miracles anointing,health and prosperity on failed humans and reframed verses they think void any blessing God has for his children.

Even the ot appears to me to be summed up in GRACE.
A gracious loving generous God of increase.
 

wolfwint

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To every man, "according to your faith, be it done unto you".
That is part of the law of faith.
You will die of a disease, because that is what you believe, but I will NOT, because "my God satisfies my mouth with good things, therefore, my youth is renewed like the eagle".
And according to Mat 8:17, Jesus Himself, took my infirmities, and bare my sicknesses, so I don't have to.
And if the lord tarries long enough, I know what age I will be when I die, because He told me, out of the blue, nine years ago. I think because I might have wondered, at one time, what age I would be, when I died.
By what authority to you say, "even persons which were healed from any disease will die from another disease?"
I have not read such a thing.
You must have got that lie from observing how the natural world works.
The good news of the gospel is, we don't have to suffer as the world does, because Jesus not only is our savior and healer, but our protector, preserver, and deliverer from such things as sicknesses and diseases.
God wants all His children healthy till they die, and we don't have to succumb to such.
It is written,

Psa 91:9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
Psa 91:10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

That is because I have made the Lord and His kingdom, my habitation or dwelling place.
Your faith is that you will some day die due to sickness or disease, therefore, as it is written, according to your faith, it will be done to you, and the God of heaven will see to it, because He has to fulfill His word, such as the law of sin, the law of sowing and reaping, and the law of faith.
I choose to walk in the law of life and health in Christ Jesus.
Granted, I did have to say it over and over and over again, while thanking Him for doing so, even before seeing any sign of change.
And why do you waste your time trying to convince someone who has already change his reality, by the spoken word of God?
And why do you waste your time trying to convince me, the word of God is a lie, and the word and law of the world is truth, or rules above the word and promises of God?
And you call yourself a believer?

We are saved and healed, BY the word of God, and we are lost and sick, by the word of the world, of which, the devil is the god of.
Well, i working in hospital and found no different in sickness between unbeliever and believer. I have no statistic, but even in dieing there is no different between believer and unbeliever. Also an unbeliever can die an peaceful death.
The most human will die, if they not die because of violence ore accident, because of any desease ore organ collapse.
Of course you can close your eyes before the reality. And if you will die in very old age, it will be because your body is weakend. But if so be blessed for that.
But what you are doing, is to blame every sick and handycapped and poor believer of not having faith enough!! This is a hit in the face of every desease suffering believer. And there is no single promiss to find in the bible (out of the OT) that believers are in this world imun against handicap and mental ore physical sickness.
Also i recognized in my 30 years as nurse is. That healthy people have often no patience and no compassion with sick people.
I dont know in which world you are living. Your view seems me to unrealistic and bringing false hope, based of false interpretet scripture.
 

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If I want a car can I go to the dealership, place my hand on a car and say, I'm declaring that this car will be mine's RIGHT NOW!

The bible says:

there is power and life in the tongue.

If I tell the mountain to be cast in the sea, it will happen.

When the children of Israel were going through the wilderness, God came near their tents and heard them saying Moses took them in the wilderness to die. God said it will be done just as they have said. And only their children will see the promised land.

How do you guys feel on this matter?
I do believe that the kind of faith and power your talking about can be acquired through Christ but we would need to be "just like Christ" .
As for the children of Israel dying out leaving their children to inherit the promised land? God gave the Israelites all that they needed to believe in Him and they still were stiff necked and rebellious against the plan of God for them. They had a choice, they made their choice and the suffered the consequences of their choices.