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Ge:2:2: And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Ge:2:3: And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Ge:2:16: And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Ge:2:17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Joh:8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Ok first off these verses have nothing to do with Eve. And yes can be proved Eve knew the commandment of not to eat the fruit.
Ge:3:1: Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Ge:3:2: And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Ge:3:3: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Ge:3:4: And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Ge:3:5: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Ge:3:6: And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Is pretty obvious she knew she wasn't suppose to eat and Adam knew also.
Ge:2:3: And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Ge:2:16: And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Ge:2:17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Joh:8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Ok first off these verses have nothing to do with Eve. And yes can be proved Eve knew the commandment of not to eat the fruit.
Ge:3:1: Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Ge:3:2: And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Ge:3:3: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Ge:3:4: And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Ge:3:5: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Ge:3:6: And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Is pretty obvious she knew she wasn't suppose to eat and Adam knew also.
L
So the serpent was Adam? Wrong
God clearly dishes out punishment to three different entity's.
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
God clearly dishes out punishment to three different entity's.
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
in genesis the fall of humanity is a story of responsibility. not one of the three took responsibility for their actions. you cannot at any time place the blame for your sinning onto another. you are the one responsible. to claim that adam was the devil is ignorance at best and trickery at worst. is your argument to excuse the devil for its behavior? three creations in the garden disobeyed God and three were punished. your claim of eve not being responsible for her sin would also mean that God was in error in giving her punishment. does God make errors? your question on this thread is, can it be proved ? clearly God had all the proof needed when God decided punishment for all three that were involved. you are not questioning the decision of God in this matter are you? your argument seeks to omit the devil of sin and find error in the actions God took for punishment. remember this advice, when the time comes for our judgement, we are the only ones to blame for our sins. not people or society, not God or the devil, but we ourselves are the only one to blame. if you cannot look at the bible and see this example, how will you look in your own heart and accept this as truth. i suggest you spend more time working on a confession than on where you think blame can be placed.
also the father of cain and abel was adam and eve was their mother. the sexual relation idea is a fallacy. when Jesus told the pharisees they had a devil as a father he was commenting on their hearts and mind being like the devils. it was not a testimony of their biological heredity. the seed of the serpent are lies and destruction, there is no truth or creation in its seed. creation and truth only come from God. Jesus can show you the way.
the confusion and ignorance that people are creating with these ideas will not stop Jesus. it does however cause you to create stumbling blocks for those who would seek Jesus. heed the words of Christ that it will not go well for those who do this. so many are trying to teach something that they clearly do not understand. have faith that Jesus will correct us in or errors when we repent of our sins. peace and love
Duewell
the rainbow connection
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also the father of cain and abel was adam and eve was their mother. the sexual relation idea is a fallacy. when Jesus told the pharisees they had a devil as a father he was commenting on their hearts and mind being like the devils. it was not a testimony of their biological heredity. the seed of the serpent are lies and destruction, there is no truth or creation in its seed. creation and truth only come from God. Jesus can show you the way.
the confusion and ignorance that people are creating with these ideas will not stop Jesus. it does however cause you to create stumbling blocks for those who would seek Jesus. heed the words of Christ that it will not go well for those who do this. so many are trying to teach something that they clearly do not understand. have faith that Jesus will correct us in or errors when we repent of our sins. peace and love
Duewell
the rainbow connection
mark 4 v11-13
It is an assumption that Adam deceived Eve. what If it was all Eve that misquoted. what if it was here mistake alone?
lets look at what happened.
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
the Serpent asks a question that is loaded. he knows the answer but needs to create dialogue and an appearance of innocence on his part. So he asks if God said that they could not eat of "Every" tree of the garden. not just one or two. he says Every.
lets see Eve reply.
Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
so first she says that they are allowed to eat of the trees of the garden, she answers the serpents question. but she goes on.
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
notice then she gives the command God gave concerning the tree in the midst of the garden but also adds to the command. There is no reason that I see to believe that she got this anywhere else but from her own head. so she miss quotes God. notice that the serpent already has her in question mode and confused early on.
The very question that he first asks then puts the question in Eve's head.
Did God really say you can not eat of every tree in the garden?
Eve already begins to question. and says. No we can eat of the trees in the Garden just not this one nor can we touch it.
Now the Serpent is winning he has got here to start to question the command of God and she is already confused enough by the question to miss quote God.
So Eve says if she eats or touches she will die. now remember that the serpent will know by her miss quote that he has already brought question and confusion to her mind. so he says:
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
now He lies. knowing that Eve is already confused. he casts another question in her mind by making a false statement.
She in her head would be thinking but God said we will die and now this Serpent says we will not die. which is it?
the Serpent continues,
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
The Serpent now argues that if they eat of the fruit then they will be able to judge for themselves what is right and what is wrong. and they will be like God and not need God to tell them what to do any more.
the insinuation here is that God is hiding this from Eve so that He can keep control over her.
Eve has been led down a path of doubting God and his word and in so doing she believes a lie.
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Now she makes a decision with her feelings and not based on the word of God to her. She sees she covets and she eats.
Adam who was in the Garden with her also eats. now let me ask you. why would Adam tempt Eve to sin and then sin also himself?
It was not Adam. the Bible is clear who the Serpent was.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
the Serpent of old is the Devil/Satan. He deceived the world starting with Eve.
So we know that the Serpent was not Adam. it was Satan.
Blessings
lets look at what happened.
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
the Serpent asks a question that is loaded. he knows the answer but needs to create dialogue and an appearance of innocence on his part. So he asks if God said that they could not eat of "Every" tree of the garden. not just one or two. he says Every.
lets see Eve reply.
Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
so first she says that they are allowed to eat of the trees of the garden, she answers the serpents question. but she goes on.
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
notice then she gives the command God gave concerning the tree in the midst of the garden but also adds to the command. There is no reason that I see to believe that she got this anywhere else but from her own head. so she miss quotes God. notice that the serpent already has her in question mode and confused early on.
The very question that he first asks then puts the question in Eve's head.
Did God really say you can not eat of every tree in the garden?
Eve already begins to question. and says. No we can eat of the trees in the Garden just not this one nor can we touch it.
Now the Serpent is winning he has got here to start to question the command of God and she is already confused enough by the question to miss quote God.
So Eve says if she eats or touches she will die. now remember that the serpent will know by her miss quote that he has already brought question and confusion to her mind. so he says:
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
now He lies. knowing that Eve is already confused. he casts another question in her mind by making a false statement.
She in her head would be thinking but God said we will die and now this Serpent says we will not die. which is it?
the Serpent continues,
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
The Serpent now argues that if they eat of the fruit then they will be able to judge for themselves what is right and what is wrong. and they will be like God and not need God to tell them what to do any more.
the insinuation here is that God is hiding this from Eve so that He can keep control over her.
Eve has been led down a path of doubting God and his word and in so doing she believes a lie.
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Now she makes a decision with her feelings and not based on the word of God to her. She sees she covets and she eats.
Adam who was in the Garden with her also eats. now let me ask you. why would Adam tempt Eve to sin and then sin also himself?
It was not Adam. the Bible is clear who the Serpent was.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
the Serpent of old is the Devil/Satan. He deceived the world starting with Eve.
So we know that the Serpent was not Adam. it was Satan.
Blessings
Adam was created body, soul and spirit; however, when he sinned, he lost the spirit, his soul was cursed as the serpent, which is
the curse of sin we are all under except Jesus (GOD is HIS Father), and his (Adam's) body was cursed as Adam.
What i was trying to show is that it cannot be proved that Eve knew the absolute Truth only, which was 'Don't Eat', but she did know
there was a commandment, and she quoted it verbatim to the serpent(her husband, not a snake), who was the one who told it to
her in the first place. What she quoted is not the absolute Truth because it contains the restriction not to touch the fruit either, which
the LORD GOD never spoke to Adam (Gen2). So then, if all we have is Eve's own testimony to decide what she knew of the commandment, then, since the devil told the first lie, Eve's false testimony is not one told intentionally, rather, it was what she was told and believed was the truth.
There really is no other was to rationalize Eve speaking untruth, but not being a liar. She did not 'make it up' as some say, because to
know the truth but intentionally change it is called lying. And if Eve was deceived from the very Beginning, then Adam is the only one to blame because he was only one the LORD GOD told the Commandment, and he was suppose to tell it to her.
Are there none that can see the soundness of my words, or do you all wish to remain blind? I do understand your dilemma, for i
too have went through it; but, when the Light was turned on, i could not believe the simplicity and soundness of it, and i realized just how subtle man is, for convicing us that we could not 'see the forest (Truth) because of the trees (scriptures)': which is to say that Gen 1 & 2 are not complete and must be added to, because no mention is made of angels being created, yet they do exist. I submit to you that Adam and Eve were both flesh (body and soul) and spirit, and were in all ways angelic in appearance, which they lost when they sinned.
the curse of sin we are all under except Jesus (GOD is HIS Father), and his (Adam's) body was cursed as Adam.
What i was trying to show is that it cannot be proved that Eve knew the absolute Truth only, which was 'Don't Eat', but she did know
there was a commandment, and she quoted it verbatim to the serpent(her husband, not a snake), who was the one who told it to
her in the first place. What she quoted is not the absolute Truth because it contains the restriction not to touch the fruit either, which
the LORD GOD never spoke to Adam (Gen2). So then, if all we have is Eve's own testimony to decide what she knew of the commandment, then, since the devil told the first lie, Eve's false testimony is not one told intentionally, rather, it was what she was told and believed was the truth.
There really is no other was to rationalize Eve speaking untruth, but not being a liar. She did not 'make it up' as some say, because to
know the truth but intentionally change it is called lying. And if Eve was deceived from the very Beginning, then Adam is the only one to blame because he was only one the LORD GOD told the Commandment, and he was suppose to tell it to her.
Are there none that can see the soundness of my words, or do you all wish to remain blind? I do understand your dilemma, for i
too have went through it; but, when the Light was turned on, i could not believe the simplicity and soundness of it, and i realized just how subtle man is, for convicing us that we could not 'see the forest (Truth) because of the trees (scriptures)': which is to say that Gen 1 & 2 are not complete and must be added to, because no mention is made of angels being created, yet they do exist. I submit to you that Adam and Eve were both flesh (body and soul) and spirit, and were in all ways angelic in appearance, which they lost when they sinned.
When God confronted them Adam blamed Eve, Eve blamed the serpent, why did she blame a serpent when Adam was right there. if you are right then why did she not blame Adam right there and then.
Answer is simple it was not Adam it was Satan. the Bible is clear that the Serpent was Satan the fallen angel who lied first in heaven before Earth had even been created. but that is a whole other study on its own.
there are two many inconsistencies with your view that I see.
Why did Eve blame the serpent and not Adam?
why doe the bible say Satan was the serpent?
why does Eve's miss quote have to originate from outside of herself?
Why does God punish Eve when in your view she never knew the truth to begin with?
It was not Adam and you have only presented philosophical reasons for your view when the bible itself is against you.
Good luck with that. we can talk when you start paying attention to the word of God.
Answer is simple it was not Adam it was Satan. the Bible is clear that the Serpent was Satan the fallen angel who lied first in heaven before Earth had even been created. but that is a whole other study on its own.
there are two many inconsistencies with your view that I see.
Why did Eve blame the serpent and not Adam?
why doe the bible say Satan was the serpent?
why does Eve's miss quote have to originate from outside of herself?
Why does God punish Eve when in your view she never knew the truth to begin with?
It was not Adam and you have only presented philosophical reasons for your view when the bible itself is against you.
Good luck with that. we can talk when you start paying attention to the word of God.
My question has always been if it was Satan that was the cause of sin,
Then why does the scriptures say:
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Why doesn't it say by the devil?
Wasn't man made from the dust of the ground, the same substance that
the serpent came from?
And notice the sentance upon Eve, (the spirit) of the man, her husband
Adam, (the Soul) was to have dominion over her.
But in Christ the Last Adam, our spirit is joined unto His spirit, and the
two become One Flesh, One body, for we are bone of His Bone, and Flesh
of His Flesh. And now she has become one With another husband.
Then why does the scriptures say:
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Why doesn't it say by the devil?
Wasn't man made from the dust of the ground, the same substance that
the serpent came from?
And notice the sentance upon Eve, (the spirit) of the man, her husband
Adam, (the Soul) was to have dominion over her.
But in Christ the Last Adam, our spirit is joined unto His spirit, and the
two become One Flesh, One body, for we are bone of His Bone, and Flesh
of His Flesh. And now she has become one With another husband.
C
Because the true source of sin is not Satan per say but our own sense of selfishness, which just so happens to be in complete opposition to God's nature which is entirely selfless. However, Satan is a master of using our own selfish desires against us thus tempting us into sin.
Case in point: Satan fell because he wanted to exalt himself above God. Eve fell when Satan tempted her with the notion that she could become equal with God by partaking of the fruit thus becoming a god herself. Adam fell when Eve told him what she had done thus Adam partook of the apple so that he would not be by himself again.
If you research every act of sin in the Bible as well as the sins that you have committed in your own life, it's easy to see how the root cause of every sin was and is our own sense of selfishness.
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I agree selfishness is our great downfall, and is probably a root.
Where do you find that Satan wanted to exalt himself above God in
scripture?
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
These are all of the things that Eve was tempted by right?
Ecc 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
because the Devil could not force sin into the world. only by Adam accepting could it come in.
Satan was the first to sin.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Then he got Adam and Eve to sin. had Adam and Eve not sinned then this world would not have fallen.
Satan was the first to sin.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Then he got Adam and Eve to sin. had Adam and Eve not sinned then this world would not have fallen.
L
This is something read somewhere regarding that question.
"Now, it says that sin entered "into" the world by Adam, or does it really? Kosmos is the already functioning world system, with people, that can only be said after Adam and Eve began to have children, and they having children too. It does not say that sin entered into the place called earth by one man, if that was true, how could the snake make Eve to sin and eat of the fruit of knowledge?
Now, as we can see from that, sin existed already before Adam and Eve sinned against God, why else would they be prohibited from eating of the tree of knowledge if they could not be tempted to sin?
Where did sin enter into earth then? through Lucifer rebellion against God."
........I personally feel that sin entered into "mankind" through Adam but obviously sin was in the world because of the serpent.
"Now, it says that sin entered "into" the world by Adam, or does it really? Kosmos is the already functioning world system, with people, that can only be said after Adam and Eve began to have children, and they having children too. It does not say that sin entered into the place called earth by one man, if that was true, how could the snake make Eve to sin and eat of the fruit of knowledge?
Now, as we can see from that, sin existed already before Adam and Eve sinned against God, why else would they be prohibited from eating of the tree of knowledge if they could not be tempted to sin?
Where did sin enter into earth then? through Lucifer rebellion against God."
........I personally feel that sin entered into "mankind" through Adam but obviously sin was in the world because of the serpent.
L
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
It is clear that the King of Tyrus is a "type" of Satan. Was the King of Tyrus or Adam ever a "covering cherub"? No
Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
It is clear that the King of Tyrus is a "type" of Satan. Was the King of Tyrus or Adam ever a "covering cherub"? No
Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Again I don't know why people say this was Satan instead of Adam. Adam was the one who God chose to
Speak with, and clothed him, gave commandment to, gave him everthing he would need to live in perfect
peace, and Unity with God.
Ask yourself this, if Satan was the first one to sin and he was an Angel, then Why didn't Christ come as an Angel, instead of Man? Scripture is very clear on this that He took on the Nature of man, not Angels.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
He came as a Man to redeem Man, Man is the one who fell. Unless, Adam's Angel was called Satan, the devil, serpent, or dragon.
This could be also, why you ask? because I do remember that when Jesus was born, His Star, "Angel" appeared and guided the wise men.
And when taking a child unto himself and speaking of being born again, He said their Angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in Heaven. Mat.18:10
Heres another thing too, Satan is also called the Accuser of the brethren. Who was the first Accuser?
Was in not Adam? When he answered God, "Saying This woman thou has given me".
Jesus also said that the devil was a murderer from the beginning, now if this isn't Adams Angel, then there arises another problem with this theory, because most claim that he was Perfection according to the scriptures you just quoted. But it is said that Adam brought in sin and DEATH, Not satan.
Just some things to think about. But personally I believe that we all have been in the Garden of God, and will return, through the Last Adam.
If you search this theory out you will find that alot of holes can be punced into it.
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Satan is a deceiver. He was already condemn before.the only way he had to deceive Eve was through the serpent.So the serpent deceived Eve and Eve sin.Adam was not deceived. He ate the fruit that her wife gave him by his own will.If not, he wouldn't ate it because he was not deceived.1 timothy 2 vs 14.If Adam did not ate the fruit, what would happen to Eve? Adam sin by his own will and God permit that to Adam so that his wife could be saved in childbearing for Adam. I wonder if someone can see the serpent seed in that.