Can Jesus Rule From Heaven?

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Kerry

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Jesus can certainly rule from heaven, He's been doing it for millions of years.
 
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tucksma

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Jesus can certainly rule from heaven, He's been doing it for millions of years.
Most of us agree he is currently ruling in heaven, but one of the questions that is brought up is if Jesus will rule on earth at all.
 
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It will be with a rod of iron from the throne of David from the world capitol Jerusalem as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah and the earth will be filled with his knowledge and peace...what else is there hahah....Yea I know!
Are you unable to look up the verses? BTW, Jesus never called himself "son of David". David was not such a nice man. He killed many, practice extortion, murder, adultery, etc. Jesus said to "love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you.

"And call no man your Father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven." Matt 23:9

Jesus often called himself Son of man.
 
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Are you unable to look up the verses? BTW, Jesus never called himself "son of David". David was not such a nice man. He killed many, practice extortion, murder, adultery, etc. Jesus said to "love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you.

"And call no man your Father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven." Matt 23:9

Jesus often called himself Son of man.
David is in Jesus' lineage, though. It's worth noting too that God also called Ezekiel Son of man.
 
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tucksma

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Are you unable to look up the verses? BTW, Jesus never called himself "son of David". David was not such a nice man. He killed many, practice extortion, murder, adultery, etc. Jesus said to "love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you.

"And call no man your Father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven." Matt 23:9

Jesus often called himself Son of man.
Jesus is David's son though. He is mentioned as such in Matthew 1. David killed FOR GOD. He was a man after God's heart. He is one of the highest respected men in the bible. The throne of David is promised to Christ as well in 2 Samuel 7.
 
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Sure, David fell short of the glory of God. Don't we all?
 
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Are you unable to look up the verses? BTW, Jesus never called himself "son of David". David was not such a nice man. He killed many, practice extortion, murder, adultery, etc. Jesus said to "love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you.

"And call no man your Father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven." Matt 23:9

Jesus often called himself Son of man.
Maybe you should re-read the genealogies as found in the gospels and all the scriptures that tie Jesus to the throne of David...wow do you even study the bible or do you just play tip toe through the scriptures and pull things out of context? Look up the verses referenced yourself as I assume you can read.....

What does your Matthew 23 reference have to do with anything that I posted...?
 
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One of the promises to David is that his throne will last forever. Obviously it didn't which means it will have to somewhere in the future. It also says that Jesus (not by name, but it's clear its talking about Christ) will rule on the throne. That is why Christ must rule on Earth in Jerusalem. Along with many other places.
Forever? "Heaven and earth will PASS AWAY, but my words will not pass away." Matt, Mark, Luke

Isn't Jesus at the right hand of the Father now? Or is he playing golf, frisbee, sun bathing just waiting to get on a throne in Jerusalem?
 
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tucksma

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Forever? "Heaven and earth will PASS AWAY, but my words will not pass away." Matt, Mark, Luke

Isn't Jesus at the right hand of the Father now? Or is he playing golf, frisbee, sun bathing just waiting to get on a throne in Jerusalem?
10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,
11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the Lord telleth thee that he will make thee an house.
12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
17 According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.


yes forever.
 
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Jesus is David's son though. He is mentioned as such in Matthew 1. David killed FOR GOD. He was a man after God's heart. He is one of the highest respected men in the bible. The throne of David is promised to Christ as well in 2 Samuel 7.
Dave had a man murdered so he could get his wife, who was Solomon's mom. There was civil war in Dave's reign, not so popular with all of the people. Jesus didn't write Matt ch 1.
 
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tucksma

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But forever doesn't mean from that point on. The starting of "forever" isn't stated here. All we know the ending is forever, but I believe the starting isn't until Jesus's second coming because David's throne hasn't lasted forever yet. It will though when Jesus comes backs and takes it.
 
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Kerry

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Most of us agree he is currently ruling in heaven, but one of the questions that is brought up is if Jesus will rule on earth at all.
Just read the bible, It plainly states that Jesus will return to Earth and setup his kingdom. Satan will be cast in the pit and Jesus will rule for 1,000 years. After that Satan will be released for a season (we don't know how long that will be) and Satan will deceive the nations to battle against Jesus one last time. They will be annihilated and cast in the lake of fire. Then Heaven will be transferred to Earth and there will be no more sun, no oceans , no mountains, No moon, and after that we are not told.
 
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tucksma

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Dave had a man murdered so he could get his wife, who was Solomon's mom. There was civil war in Dave's reign, not so popular with all of the people. Jesus didn't write Matt ch 1.
David messed up. So did EVERYONE except Jesus. For like 95% of what we know of David he was prettyyyy on point of how we should act.

David was VERY popular with the people. While on the run people came to him without any recruitment needed. Absolom plotted for YEARS getting people. He stayed outside of David's kingdom to judge issues so he could win over hearts. David was VERY loved.

Jesus didn't write anything in the bible. Just because Jesus didn't write it, doesn't mean it isn't true. Matthew 1, as the rest of the bible, is inspired by God.
 
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tucksma

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We are on the same side here Kerry:) Its followjja who we are trying to convince.
 
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1still_waters

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1 Peter 3

21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.
 
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tucksma

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1 Peter 3

21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.
We agree here. Right now he is in heaven, at the right hand of God, ruling. The question at hand is will he return and rule in Jerusalem.
 
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1still_waters

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We agree here. Right now he is in heaven, at the right hand of God, ruling. The question at hand is will he return and rule in Jerusalem.
We've already come to the new Jerusalem. That's the view that the early church had. That Jesus was ruling from heaven with all subject to him, and that they had already arrived to the new Jerusalem.

Hebrews 12
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.


Galatians 4
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the[d] two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written:
“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”[e]

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.”[f] 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
 
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Kerry

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Still, New Jerusalem is clearly described in Revelation. What they were talking about is this. When a person repents and accepts Jesus as their savior, they are no longer under the rule of Satan, but have come under the rule (kingdom) of God. Their is always spiritual action before physical action. Jesus is the first fruits, He is in a resurrected body, He did not leave His body here. Paul said we look through a glass dimly, we do not what we shall be, but we shall be like Him. Jesus is described as having feet like brass, hair like wool and Eyes of fire.

I don't know about you, but when I got saved, mt body did not change. My spirit changed and my mind is being renewed by the word. But, know physical change. I am still in this sinful flesh body.

Why did Jesus say when you see these things come to pass look up for your redemption draweth nigh. Were we not redeemed at salvation? what was He talking about?

Jesus will return with all the saints and destroy the Antichrist (Not Satan) and defeat the his armies at Armageddon and then rule from Jerusalem for 1,000 years. This is not the last battle. It is not the end of the world. It is the beginning.
 

Elizabeth619

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We both agree, no rapture. Where did the rapture "teaching" come from? Paul

Rev is an allegory, there is no 1000 year reign, Jesus rules now, he has all authority. This 1000 years is just made up, why not a million or a trillion years. !000 years back then was probably a big number, we can think up much larger numbers today. Rev has many errors in it, put there on purpose.
You were doing so good until you said the bible has errors. If your argument is "the book has errors" then you're doing it wrong.