Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.

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Will the nonelect ever be born-again?

  • The nonelect can be born-again.

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ThereRoseaLamb

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I said the God of the bible hates people before they're born, I qualified my statement by quoting what God said, when He decided to kill all the inhabitants of the world (save 8 people). I pointed out this involved billions of people, including unborn babies.
You've been proven wrong on that point too. And there weren't billions of people killed in the flood lol Again you can repeat your errors a "billion" times, you're wrong and been proved wrong with Scripture. God kills no one, the chose to remain in sin.

You responded by pushing your lies and saying that "God is not a murderer, and those unborn babies loved their sin more than God so they chose the lake of fire, instead of eternal paradise. This makes you a pure Calvinist!!! and a hypocrite
Look I'm sorry you don't have the intelligence to defend your POV. Why would you care about innocent babies? You believe God created half of them to be doomed to hell anyway. I didn't say anything about babies. So you lied again, it's a bad habit you need to break.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Nobody ever said God created anyone to be condemned to hell.
God for His own glorification, and without any regard to original sin, has created some as "vessels of mercy", others as "vessels of wrath". Those created for hell He has also predestined for sin- John Calvin
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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oh boy.


Let me share a better example..

Two people are out in the ocean after a shipwreck.

A savior is sent to save them,

1 person does what the savior says, and just allows him to save him

the other fights and refuses to let the savior do the job, and eventually rejects him.

the person that is saved can not boast of saving himself. because he trusted the savior.

He will boast in the savior.

Again I re-iterate, neither of the people in your example can boast. I reject your notion the one guy could boast..

I can not boast of saving myself. i did nothing!! Christ did it all.

nothing you say can change that

And we wonder why the church is in the mess it's in. smh Dealing with two people here that are Biblically uneducated and should have learned these things in Sunday school. Then they go and spread a false gospel to others. Proven wrong with direct Scripture, they simply get angry and more hateful. Their un- Christlike attitude and unteachable spirit show they have been pulled in by unlearned people that push false doctrine and they fell for it because they didn't know the Word. It's sad.
 

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And we wonder why the church is in the mess it's in. smh Dealing with two people here that are Biblically uneducated and should have learned these things in Sunday school. Then they go and spread a false gospel to others. Proven wrong with direct Scripture, they simply get angry and more hateful. Their un- Christlike attitude and unteachable spirit show they have been pulled in by unlearned people that push false doctrine and they fell for it because they didn't know the Word. It's sad.
Satan has the world and the church right where he wants it. full of doubt and fear
 

Niki7

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What is a signature needed for when so many think they can invent their own church just by pretending to believe.!? :rolleyes:
When did God provide you with the ability to judge the hearts of others? It is interesting that the person who handed you one of those lovely trophies has one of the worst understandings of scripture I have come across. That, and the fact he dispenses hate and discord and no indication he understands the unity of believers through Christ or the fact that Christ died, having been sent by God, to be the perfect sacrifice so that those who believe in Him may have everlasting life.

Frankly you have some nerve to accuse others of inventing doctrine or pretending to believe. You evidence a very large smoke screen whenever anyone gets even a little close to calling you out on your non-biblical presentations.

Manufacturing false evidence or covering up the fact that you do not seem able to answer pertinent questions so you ignore, post an x, post a non-related scripture or what have you, does nothing to persuade anyone of your own standing as far as I can see.
 

Niki7

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And we wonder why the church is in the mess it's in. smh Dealing with two people here that are Biblically uneducated and should have learned these things in Sunday school. Then they go and spread a false gospel to others. Proven wrong with direct Scripture, they simply get angry and more hateful. Their un- Christlike attitude and unteachable spirit show they have been pulled in by unlearned people that push false doctrine and they fell for it because they didn't know the Word. It's sad.
Yup. I no longer wonder what is wrong with 'believers' when I read what some of them, who reference themselves as Christians, post. I figure it's a cross section of what can be found in many 'churches'. Nothing helpful whatsoever and they are more than pleased to create as much discord as possible within the terms of this forum and spout absolute rubbish that has been fermented in some great poisonous vat within the vain imaginings of those who think themselves superior to those who actually refer to scripture.

Unteachable spirit is putting it mildly. Not only that, but they desire to teach and indoctrinate everyone else.

15Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20So then, by their fruit you will recognize them. Matthew 7

While they may not call themselves prophets, they believe they hear from God, things that are contrary to what is in the Bible and will even reject scripture itself, saying they have a higher or new revelation.

God save us from such and if it is not scriptural, no matter who says it anywhere, do not accept what they have to offer
 

Niki7

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Satan has the world and the church right where he wants it. full of doubt and fear
Yes, that and those who believe they are special and understand scripture and know God better than anyone else.

The false is pretty much gobbling up the truth from the government down. God is not a God of politics. Politics in church are not doctrine but many seem to think they are.

We don't have a human savior but God can and does work through people to achieve His will.

Anyway, whenever something replaces God in the minds of people, it's all downhill from there. Worse for those who consider themselves to be believers.
 

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Yes, that and those who believe they are special and understand scripture and know God better than anyone else.

The false is pretty much gobbling up the truth from the government down. God is not a God of politics. Politics in church are not doctrine but many seem to think they are.

We don't have a human savior but God can and does work through people to achieve His will.

Anyway, whenever something replaces God in the minds of people, it's all downhill from there. Worse for those who consider themselves to be believers.
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So you lie with it right in front of your face! Well at least I've made my point and people can see you're lying.




The verses are direct and in plain English. At this point my guess is you're lying because you like the attention. Let's cure that here and now. You've been proved wrong on everything you've with the Bible, you don't have a leg to stand on.
The only thing that you have proven beyond reasonable doubt, is that you have been deceived and blinded by the Doctrine of Demons. You never qualify an of your rants with scripture.
 
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Well known to history, he was a homosexual. You said he was a servant of God, he wasn't. Proved wrong again
Satan is a Man of God, He does Gods will reluctantly and so do all unbelievers. What does King James's sexual preference have to do with his work. Again, you play the man instead of the ball, quite sad really
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Satan is a Man of God,
I don't expect people to be Bible scholars, but comments like this show a horrible understanding of the Word.


What does King James's sexual preference have to do with his work.
You called him a servant of God. That was my point. He wasn't, he was a homosexual. One of those reprobates you love to hate and wouldn't let into your church.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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The only thing that you have proven beyond reasonable doubt, is that you have been deceived and blinded by the Doctrine of Demons. You never qualify an of your rants with scripture.

To other posters, please read back. You will find I have used Scripture in several posts to prove what the Word has to say. Once again, this poster has outright lied, certainly not his first time.
 
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You've been proven wrong on that point too. And there weren't billions of people killed in the flood lol Again you can repeat your errors a "billion" times, you're wrong and been proved wrong with Scripture. God kills no one, the chose to remain in sin.



Look I'm sorry you don't have the intelligence to defend your POV. Why would you care about innocent babies? You believe God created half of them to be doomed to hell anyway. I didn't say anything about babies. So you lied again, it's a bad habit you need to break.
You seem to have great difficulty in understanding simple English. You say silly thing and misquote everything. Now you won't admit what you said, I exposed you as a liar and false accuser of the brethren and you have never defended any of the charges against you. You just keep waffling on making ludicrous claims but you never qualify any of them.

I'm convinced that you don't have the capacity to engage in a sensible discussion, as you keep flying off the handle and uttering nonsense. You seem to be full of hatred and venom, for anyone who doesn't agree with your false doctrine.
 
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God for His own glorification, and without any regard to original sin, has created some as "vessels of mercy", others as "vessels of wrath". Those created for hell He has also predestined for sin- John Calvin
What's your problem with that, it's biblically correct. Show us why it's not!!