Can the Trinity be Biblically proven?

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But we CAN comprehend the words of Jesus when He made clear that He was God and co-equal with the Father

Jesus said, 'That all may honour the Son AS they honour the Father. He who does not honour the Son (as they honour the Father), does not honour the Father Who sent Him.' John 5.23


“For as the Father has life in Himself, so has He given the Son to have life in Himself” John 5.26


Jesus answered them, “MY Father is working still and I am working.” This was why the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also called God His own Father, making Himself equal with God John 5.17-18


“Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” John 8.58


Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father and we will be satisfied.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know Me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, Show us the Father. John 14.9


“And this is life eternal, that they may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ Whom You have sent – and now, Father, glorify Me with the glory which I had with You before the world was” (John 17.5)


John said, 'In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was face to face with God, and What God was the Word was, – and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us” (John 1.1, 14).


The risen Jesus said, “Baptising them in the (one) Name (YHWH) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” Matthew 28.19


And for us there is ONE GOD, the Father, from Whom are all things and for Whom we exist, and ONE LORD through Whom are all things and through Whom we exist 1 Corinthians 8.6 (in contrast with the many gods and lords)


He is the IMAGE of the invisible God, the firstBORN before the whole of creation Colossians 1.15


In Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form Colossians 2.9


Awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ Titus 2.13


When the goodness and kindness of God our Saviour appeared, – which He poured out upon us through Jesus Christ our Saviour Titus 3.4, 6


In the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ – of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ 2 Peter 1.1 ,11 (exactly parallel in the Greek).


Who being the outshining of His glory and the exact representation of His substance Heb 1.3


He is the SON in contrast to all angels Heb 1.4 following.


Thomas called Him, “my LORD and my God”. John 20.28
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I am not going to argue with you please work it out but surely you know the pharisees wanted to stone Jesus and Jesus asked them for which work do you seek to stone me for ? They said for your good works no but for making yourself ONE with God. Found in John's gospel.
 
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What do you mean by, " Also "Personification" and Coe-equal attributes are not the same thing as three separate persons even though they can be" ??
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If I fully understood the "Godhead " I could tell you what I mean more better however, The Word of God very clearly gives the Holy Spirit a personality or also known as " Personification" in the language used in the word of God to describe the Spirit of God. starting in Genesis chapter one. Jesus was seen by people the Holy Spirit was not . we know the Holy Spirit we know by HIS working and what Jesus has said bout HIM. It is Jesus Himself who Give Personification and distinction as the Old testament does too. Jesus call the Holy Spirit the " Comforter " not a force , or a feeling but describes HIM as a Person with attributes that are Divine. God the Creator=Father , The Spirit of the Lord / Holy Spirit = the distinction of God actively working in the life of men. Jesus the Son of God= God revealed to man . all very distinct , and coe-equal and with "personification" and attributes that all all the same yet separate but one.
 
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Prayer is directed to the Father, through Jesus Christ, by the Holy Spirit.
The three members of the triune God are all involved in prayer.
Each persona has His part to play.
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2And he said unto them, When ye pray, say,

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us.

And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.


9 After this manner therefore pray ye:

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:

For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
 
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CS1 said:
If I fully understood the "Godhead " I could tell you what I mean more better however, The Word of God very clearly gives the Holy Spirit a personality or also known as " Personification" in the language used in the word of God to describe the Spirit of God. starting in Genesis chapter one. Jesus was seen by people the Holy Spirit was not . we know the Holy Spirit we know by HIS working and what Jesus has said bout HIM. It is Jesus Himself who Give Personification and distinction as the Old testament does too. Jesus call the Holy Spirit the " Comforter " not a force , or a feeling but describes HIM as a Person with attributes that are Divine. God the Creator=Father , The Spirit of the Lord / Holy Spirit = the distinction of God actively working in the life of men. Jesus the Son of God= God revealed to man . all very distinct , and coe-equal and with "personification" and attributes that all all the same yet separate but one.
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But that's just it, they are distinct, but not separate. God is One. And it is there that our understanding of the nature of God has to begin. The Christian understanding of God is both monotheistic and Trinitarian.
 
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I am not going to argue with you please work it out but surely you know the pharisees wanted to stone Jesus and Jesus asked them for which work do you seek to stone me for ? They said for your good works no but for making yourself ONE with God. Found in John's gospel.
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Soooo? He agreed with me
 
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Originally Posted by valiant
Prayer is directed to the Father, through Jesus Christ, by the Holy Spirit.
The three members of the triune God are all involved in prayer.
Each persona has His part to play.
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prove-all said:
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2And he said unto them, When ye pray, say,

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us.

And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.


9 After this manner therefore pray ye:

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:

For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
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are you denying that they prayed through Jesus and and by the Spirit?
 
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FreeNChrist said:
But that's just it, they are distinct, but not separate. God is One. And it is there that our understanding of the nature of God has to begin. The Christian understanding of God is both monotheistic and Trinitarian.
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again the understanding of 3 in 1 yet one yet distinction and separate but still one is not Comprehend able. We apprehended this concept by faith and by the word of God..
 
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how is it men in drag explaining the " trinity " appropriate?
 
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again the understanding of 3 in 1 yet one yet distinction and separate but still one is not Comprehend able. We apprehended this concept by faith and by the word of God..
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Sigh*. The doctrine of the Trinity is very clear that there is no separation within the Godhead.
 
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please do not post it again
 
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Sigh*. The doctrine of the Trinity is very clear that there is no separation within the Godhead.
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ok and yet they is distinction and personification of each. and yet one
 
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FreeNChrist said:
Thats correct. But there is no separation.
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ok I see they can be yet one you see my point we are splitting hairs as to the very same thing as to both are correct yet some will not agree and that is ok because God will reveal it to them I believe
 
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Done thank you
 
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ok I see they can be yet one you see my point we are splitting hairs as to the very same thing as to both are correct yet some will not agree and that is ok because God will reveal it to them I believe
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No, we aren't just splitting hairs. God IS One. One in Being. One in purpose. It is the error of thinking of them as separate that leads to the charge often made against Christianity of being polytheistic, believing in many gods.
 
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No, we aren't just splipping hairs. God IS One. One in Being. One in purpose. It is the error of thinking of them as separate that leads to the charge often made against Christianity of being polytheistic, believing in many gods.
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that is how you see it I see it as no one can fully know all about the GodHead how three are one yet distinctly different three and yet one. I have not suggested in anyway polytheistic nor will i. The unbeliever cannot even understand God of the bible without the Holy Spirit. Nor can they know the Father without the SON.
 
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