Can the unpadorable sin be commited in the Church Age?

[know1]

WoF is a cult. They teach if you do it just right, God owes you prosperity -- whether in physical healing or financial gain. It's New Age wrapped up with the word God/Jesus slipped in here and there. The teachers are Joseph Prince, Joel Olsteen, and Paul Ellis -- heretics. It's definitely not doctrine, biblical, nor God's Word. It is hypergrace, and is being preached on this site often by Joanie, Ben, and know1. When they say "Faith," and when they say, "Grace," that is the gods of their lives.

Easy girl, no need to get up tight over what I said.
And I beg to differ young lady, about teaching hypergrace.
I probably am more anti-grace than most on this site, because I believe and have taught that one can indeed lose their salvation.
One of those ways, I believe, would be for a mature Christian to reject the truth of the gospel with a partial truth or an outright lie and teach others the same. Jesus said, they shall be called least in the kingdom of God.
That, I believe, is not called hypergrace, but conditional salvation. Free, but conditional.
I think OSAS is hypergrace, because to them, the grace of God, through and via the blood of Jesus, automatically covers every and all sins, past, present, and future. Once a Christian, always a Christian. That is only a partial truth.
Remember, I'm the one who says that when we sin, we move out of a portion of God's grace, and that is one reason why many get sick and die.
I also have said that when we sin, we move out of the kingdom of God and even out of Christ, at times.
As far as I know, that's not hypergrace.
If what I teach is so "heretical", then why are you not able to refute or debunk what I have written concerning WOF?
As you know, I quote scripture for just about everything I write.
I am a sincere person who takes the truth very seriously. I care very much about knowing the truths of the bible.
I seek God for the answers as I pray, read, and meditate on His word, WITHOUT BIAS.
If I have a wrong belief about a certain subject, say WOF for example, then it would have to be that God failed to uphold a truth of His word, because He said whatsoever good thing I ask for, that shall I receive and NOT something bad or evil in its place.
So if I ask for the truth, God CANNOT give me a lie, according to Matt 7.
When the bible talks about erring from the truth of the gospel, I take that to be the same as erring away from God, for the truth is light and God is the same. I believe, to receive darkness/lie in place of the light/truth, is to leave the kingdom of God and to fall from His grace and favor.
Again, as far as I know, that is not hypergrace.
As for the WOF doctrine, I teach it because I not only see it as an undeniable truth of God's word, with overwhelming scriptural evidence to say otherwise, but I KNOW it is of God. If I didn't know this, I would say so. And if you ever stop looking at the people who teach and abuse the knowledge of this doctrine and look at the scriptures, with God's help, you might be able to see it.

 

[know1]

This means a acts and works that are performed by the holy spirit. Calling it a lie, and not the truth. Such as miracles performed, speaking in tongues, healing, raising the dead, the blind given their sight., calling these things phony . The devil cannot and will not perform such acts, because he is against God and mankind. He only wants to kill, steal and destroy,and this many do not talk against.

You hit the nail on the head, and I give you the grand cookie award for seeing that truth.
That is exactly what Jesus was talking about when the Pharisees said He had a demon in Him that He was using to case out spirits. Thereby calling the Holy Spirit, an evil spirit.
Thank you for that very good post.

 

[Dino246]

Into the second page already, and nobody has asked what "unpadorable" means.

It's an amusing example of thinking we know what a word is, without looking closely at it.

 

[Lewiz]

Mark 3
20And He came home, and the crowd gathered again, to such an extent that they could not even eat a meal. 21When His own people heard of this, they went out to take custody of Him; for they were saying, “He has lost His senses.” 22The scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” and “He casts out the demons by the ruler of the demons.” 23And He called them to Himself and began speaking to them in parables, “How can Satan cast out Satan?24“If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25“If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. 26“If Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but he is finished! 27“But no one can enter the strong man’s house and plunder his property unless he first binds the strong man, and then he will plunder his house.This is a true example of blaspheming the Holy Spirit. The scribes contributed the works of the Spirit to the works of the Devil.

They did so knowing full well it was the Holy Ghost doing it. It's because they knew the truth is why it's unforgiven.

Lots of people contribute it to rejecting Christ, which isn't true.

There has been many thru the years who have rejected Christ whom afterward repented & accepted Him as Savior & Lord.

Those that knowingly mock the work of the Spirit are Blaspheming the Holy Ghost.

Remember all the threads where those said christians no longer needed the gifts of the Spirit? They downplayed the need for Him. They made it sound like the Spirit no longer baptizes true believers, which is a lie.

Remember when those who mocked the christians who believed in the Baptism in the Holy Spirit?

Whether they did it knowingly or unknowingly, only God knows.

But I would say this...... I wouldn't want to be in their shoes come judgment day.

Some say "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it."

Not true. "God said it, and that settles it, whether we believe it or not"

 

[Lewiz]

Matthew 12:32

New International Version
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

New Living Translation
Anyone who speaks against the Son of Man can be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, either in this world or in the world to come.

English Standard Version
And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Berean Study Bible
Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.

Berean Literal Bible
And if anyone speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but if anyone speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age nor in the coming one.

New American Standard Bible
"Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

 

[Deade]

I think the vast majority of church goers do the unpardonable sin every day. They're the ones who go to church to get something for themselves -- a feel-good experience, brownie points towards the eternal-vacation, look good without being good, and esteem.

Jesus had throngs of people around him most of the time, and yet once he said something they didn't like, 90% would leave.

If you don't trust the Holy Spirit, you're committing the unpardonable sin. And that's not to say, if you get angry with God or are hesitant in your beliefs. It's saying you trust self more than God.

I think the vast majority of people who come on this site have already done that. The real question in life is if God changes that in a person. If he changes that, we can't but trust in him forever.

All of the above instances are describing people that are deceived. Deceived is not rejecting or blaspheming God. Most of the world are deceived people. It matters not what they think or do.

 

[Depleted]

Easy girl, no need to get up tight over what I said.
And I beg to differ young lady, about teaching hypergrace.
I probably am more anti-grace than most on this site, because I believe and have taught that one can indeed lose their salvation.
One of those ways, I believe, would be for a mature Christian to reject the truth of the gospel with a partial truth or an outright lie and teach others the same. Jesus said, they shall be called least in the kingdom of God.
That, I believe, is not called hypergrace, but conditional salvation. Free, but conditional.
I think OSAS is hypergrace, because to them, the grace of God, through and via the blood of Jesus, automatically covers every and all sins, past, present, and future. Once a Christian, always a Christian. That is only a partial truth.
Remember, I'm the one who says that when we sin, we move out of a portion of God's grace, and that is one reason why many get sick and die.
I also have said that when we sin, we move out of the kingdom of God and even out of Christ, at times.
As far as I know, that's not hypergrace.
If what I teach is so "heretical", then why are you not able to refute or debunk what I have written concerning WOF?
As you know, I quote scripture for just about everything I write.
I am a sincere person who takes the truth very seriously. I care very much about knowing the truths of the bible.
I seek God for the answers as I pray, read, and meditate on His word, WITHOUT BIAS.
If I have a wrong belief about a certain subject, say WOF for example, then it would have to be that God failed to uphold a truth of His word, because He said whatsoever good thing I ask for, that shall I receive and NOT something bad or evil in its place.
So if I ask for the truth, God CANNOT give me a lie, according to Matt 7.
When the bible talks about erring from the truth of the gospel, I take that to be the same as erring away from God, for the truth is light and God is the same. I believe, to receive darkness/lie in place of the light/truth, is to leave the kingdom of God and to fall from His grace and favor.
Again, as far as I know, that is not hypergrace.
As for the WOF doctrine, I teach it because I not only see it as an undeniable truth of God's word, with overwhelming scriptural evidence to say otherwise, but I KNOW it is of God. If I didn't know this, I would say so. And if you ever stop looking at the people who teach and abuse the knowledge of this doctrine and look at the scriptures, with God's help, you might be able to see it.

Some day you'll get what that "age" thingy is when it comes to figuring out who is young or old.

 

[Depleted]

All of the above instances are describing people that are deceived. Deceived is not rejecting or blaspheming God. Most of the world are deceived people. It matters not what they think or do.

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I don't think anyone is deceived enough to use that as an excuse though.

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[know1]

Some day you'll get what that "age" thingy is when it comes to figuring out who is young or old.

Again with the petty nitpicking.

I saw your age, but rather than responding in kind to the unkind, I though it to be kind of a good idea to be kind and say something nice.

My age is not what it appears on this forum. I am younger, and I thought others might have done the same.

So rather than calling you a cranky old wench or hag, I thought young lady sounded better.

I did that mostly because I am a believer in the power of our words, and the images they create.

I thought addressing you that way was a friendly gesture to the snidely tone you have been taking.

Regardless of that, I still take no offense.

I understand that the messenger is always the one who gets attacked for the message delivered.