Can we overcome sin fully?

[loveme1]

We overcame sin in Christ the day we believed and trusted Jesus as our savior.....He is the payment for the sins of the whole world, sin is not the issue....faith is the issue.....and regardless......until the day one dies or receives a glorified body they are bound in a dead body of sin that is not subject unto the word of God.....John was clear and spoke in the present tense...

If we say that we have no sin we are deceived and the truth is not in us.

What is the victory that has overcome the world, EVEN our faith!

And there it is right there.. I see now where you are at...

you have not received the Holy Spirit Baptism..

You are a mortal vessel and you have an corruptible seed... through Holy Spirit Baptism you are given an incorruptible seed but still in the mortal flesh until the last trump when the mortal puts on immortal as in Christ overcame death and is our Victory... Everlasting life we become celestial but at this time terrestrial but with the New Spirit.. living by Faith in the Messiah.

May you ask for the Good gift in Faith DC... be born again of the Holy Spirit that will guide and comfort you in to all Truth.

1 Peter 1

22Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.


That is why it is written:



Romans 7


4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 5For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

 

[PennEd]

And there it is right there.. I see now where you are at...

you have not received the Holy Spirit Baptism..

You are a mortal vessel and you have an corruptible seed... through Holy Spirit Baptism you are given an incorruptible seed but still in the mortal flesh until the last trump when the mortal puts on immortal as in Christ overcame death and is our Victory... Everlasting life we become celestial but at this time terrestrial but with the New Spirit.. living by Faith in the Messiah.

May you ask for the Good gift in Faith DC... be born again of the Holy Spirit that will guide and comfort you in to all Truth.

1 Peter 1

22Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.


That is why it is written:



Romans 7


4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 5For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Why are you judging people? Who are you to say DC doesn't have the Holy Spirit? Do you fully understand what an ugly accusation that is? It is the same as saying he is lost.

Am I understanding your posts to me and him as you saying you no longer sin? May be I'm just not comprehending what you are saying, but it sounds very close to a sinless perfection heresy.

 

[loveme1]

Why are you judging people? Who are you to say DC doesn't have the Holy Spirit? Do you fully understand what an ugly accusation that is? It is the same as saying he is lost.

Am I understanding your posts to me and him as you saying you no longer sin? May be I'm just not comprehending what you are saying, but it sounds very close to a sinless perfection heresy.

By what he shared above i understand him more now than ever... and I'm not against him.. or accuse him..

and i I agree with you who am I? Do you know how often I ask GOD that same question.. yet the Holy Spirit witnesses within and until that happens I can see where dc belief comes from... and speak no guile or malice but pure good intent toward him here. I would be wrong to not share what I did and mind me not for fearing GOD before man.. because I have to accept all humility but share in good Faith and the end of only GOD knows.

it is written:


Romans 8


There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded isdeath; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind isenmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


That is why the Lord teaches we must be born again of the Spirit that allows us to walk therein... and is subject to the law of GOD... which is life and peace.

Set free by the Truth.

 

[loveme1]

6Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.1 Corinthians 2

 

[loveme1]

Ephesians 2

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved 6And hath raised usup together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in hiskindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.






Not by works but to good works through Christ.

 

[BillG]

And there it is right there.. I see now where you are at...

you have not received the Holy Spirit Baptism..

You are a mortal vessel and you have an corruptible seed... through Holy Spirit Baptism you are given an incorruptible seed but still in the mortal flesh until the last trump when the mortal puts on immortal as in Christ overcame death and is our Victory... Everlasting life we become celestial but at this time terrestrial but with the New Spirit.. living by Faith in the Messiah.

May you ask for the Good gift in Faith DC... be born again of the Holy Spirit that will guide and comfort you in to all Truth.

1 Peter 1

22Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.


That is why it is written:



Romans 7


4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 5For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Hi loveme1

What is Holy Spirit Baptism to you as you understand it?
How does it relate to salvation and sanctification?

I notice above you have quite Bible verses so if you repsond and include further bible verses can you explain what they are saying as you understand them.

Ta muchly

Bill

 

[dalok6800]

2 Peter 1:1-11

 

[BillG]

2 Peter 1:1-11

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[dcontroversal]

Why are you judging people? Who are you to say DC doesn't have the Holy Spirit? Do you fully understand what an ugly accusation that is? It is the same as saying he is lost.

Am I understanding your posts to me and him as you saying you no longer sin? May be I'm just not comprehending what you are saying, but it sounds very close to a sinless perfection heresy.

Amen...not to mention that everything I referenced is in the bible and scriptural.....and what I said Love parroted.....geesh....

 

[Nehemiah6]

This can be a controversial question, but the answer is none the less Yes we can and indeed should. The real question is not can we but "how" can we. The answer is only found in Jesus and the promises of God.

You could have added (1) the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit and (2) the COMMAND to be filled with the Spirit. While many Christians are being taught the Gospel truth that we are justified by grace through faith, and thereby receive the imputed righteousness of Christ, the corresponding doctrine which seemingly does not get emphasis is that God has given us His Spirit not only to teach us and to guide us into all truth, but to EMPOWER us to be righteous and holy. That is called the filling of the Holy Spirit, which in practical terms means that the Holy Spirit has total and full control over you.

The comparison is made in Scripture between "being under the influence" of alcohol or being under the control of the Holy Spirit. When alcohol within the bloodstream exceeds a certain level (and it does not take much) the individual is deemed to be "under the influence" of alcohol, thus many motor vehicle accidents are attributed to DUI (driving under the influence). Well Paul says "Be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess, but be filled with (under the control of) the Holy Spirit. Which translates into the Holy Spirit taking control as the driver, and the Christian becoming the vehicle (in a manner of speaking).

 

[dalok6800]

You could have added (1) the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit and (2) the COMMAND to be filled with the Spirit. While many Christians are being taught the Gospel truth that we are justified by grace through faith, and thereby receive the imputed righteousness of Christ, the corresponding doctrine which seemingly does not get emphasis is that God has given us His Spirit not only to teach us and to guide us into all truth, but to EMPOWER us to be righteous and holy. That is called the filling of the Holy Spirit, which in practical terms means that the Holy Spirit has total and full control over you.

The comparison is made in Scripture between "being under the influence" of alcohol or being under the control of the Holy Spirit. When alcohol within the bloodstream exceeds a certain level (and it does not take much) the individual is deemed to be "under the influence" of alcohol, thus many motor vehicle accidents are attributed to DUI (driving under the influence). Well Paul says "Be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess, but be filled with (under the control of) the Holy Spirit. Which translates into the Holy Spirit taking control as the driver, and the Christian becoming the vehicle (in a manner of speaking).

this is why I posted 2 Peter 1:1-11

 

[MattforJesus]

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

If a person hates sin,and does not want sin,by the Spirit they can abstain from sin,for God will not allow them to be tempted above what they can handle,and will give them an escape from the temptation,so they are not tempted as much as the world,and can endure the temptation.

This does not mean we might not sin,for we are still in the flesh,and can sin if we desire to sin,and all hope is not lost,for all sin can be forgiven,even if a person lives in sin for a year,it can still be forgiven that person.

But there is no excuse,for it is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,so we have a choice between good and evil,and if we do the evil we could of chose the good.

We do not sin because we cannot abstain from the sin,but we sin because we want to sin,which even the world can abstain from sin,as they choose what sins they like,and what sins they do not like,but they are of the flesh,and will do the things of the flesh.

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Peter had a problem with sin,which Paul withstood him to the face,and told him to stop it,and that he did not walk uprightly according to the truth of the Gospel.

And this is Peter who is the first person added to the Church,after Christ the foundation of the Church.

And Peter is saved because the 12 tribes of Israel,and the 12 apostles of the Lamb,are written in the New Jerusalem,so Peter corrected himself from that sin.

So we might sin,for who can be saved if we could never sin again after conversion,but it can be forgiven,but if we hate sin,and do not want sin,by the Spirit we can abstain from sin.

And there is no excuse for it is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,so if we do sin we could of chosen not to sin.

The Bible says if we wilfully sin after having the knowledge of sin,believing on Jesus,and knowing God hates sin,then there is no more sacrifice for that sin,which means if a person holds unto sin,then the blood of Christ cannot wash it away,for God will not take away what we hold unto.

That is because there is no excuse for our sin if it is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,we could of chose the good,and if we do not want sin,by the Spirit we can abstain from sin,and God will not allow us to be tempted like the world,so we can endure the temptation.

So there is no excuse why someone cannot abstain from sin.

If they sin it is because they want to sin,not that they could not abstain from sin.

 

[Magenta]

Feel free to share any promises that you have found that have changed your life in real ways to the praise of Jesus Christ and our Father in heaven.

Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

This can be a controversial question, but the answer is none the less Yes we can and indeed should.

The real question is not can we but "how" can we.

The answer is only found in Jesus and the promises of God.

Most fail on this point because they think about human weakness but we would do well to learn the lesson from Abraham:

Rom 4:19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb:
Rom 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
Rom 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.



Notice that when it came down to it, Abraham did not consider his weaknesses or inability to do it. But rather was strong in faith trusting that Gods promises were true and that God would make it happen.

This lesson is for us as it is written:

Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Rom 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

So stop looking at your problems and start trusting Jesus as your solution and see what happens.

Go look at all the promises God has in his word about no longer sinning then claim them because:


2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

and:

2Co 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
2Co 1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Be joyful for greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world.

Ask God to show you your sins and when He does don't resist but surrender it to Him and He will take it form you and you will be victorious then ask Him to fill that spot with himself and you will see your life change form Grace to Grace and faith to faith until you reflect His Glory fully and you can say with Paul:

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Blessings

habitual sin yes

if you are saying we can stop sinning altogether? then I disagree

God does not 'take' our sins. He has forgiven them because of Jesus but a Christian can truly struggle with sin for various reasons (which the explanations for do not need to sidetrack your thread)

I am sure that if all one had to do would be to ask God to remove all sin, everyone would be lined up right now and doing it because sin causes all kinds of troubles and nastiness in this life

sanctification is a process; not a position.

salvation is constant as in..I have been saved, I am saved, I am being saved

postionally, we are IN Christ, meaning God sees us as righteous. we are not righteous without being IN Christ...ie Saved

 

[Nehemiah6]

this is why I posted 2 Peter 1:1-11

And that was most appropriate in this context. So every Christian reading this thread should read that chapter. It speaks of Divine power and being partakes of the Divine nature. And provides the Christian with a blueprint to grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

thx Bill

 

[Wild]

No we can't. It is never ending torture. Death is our only release. After that heaven.

 

[OneFaith]

This can be a controversial question, but the answer is none the less Yes we can and indeed should.

The real question is not can we but "how" can we.

The answer is only found in Jesus and the promises of God.

Most fail on this point because they think about human weakness but we would do well to learn the lesson from Abraham:

Rom 4:19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb:
Rom 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
Rom 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.



Notice that when it came down to it, Abraham did not consider his weaknesses or inability to do it. But rather was strong in faith trusting that Gods promises were true and that God would make it happen.

This lesson is for us as it is written:

Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Rom 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

So stop looking at your problems and start trusting Jesus as your solution and see what happens.

Go look at all the promises God has in his word about no longer sinning then claim them because:


2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

and:

2Co 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
2Co 1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Be joyful for greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world.

Ask God to show you your sins and when He does don't resist but surrender it to Him and He will take it form you and you will be victorious then ask Him to fill that spot with himself and you will see your life change form Grace to Grace and faith to faith until you reflect His Glory fully and you can say with Paul:

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Blessings

Yes we can fully overcome sin by the blood of the Lamb- Revelation says this. God says to be perfect as He is perfect, and perfect is sinless. God would not tell us to do something that is impossible to do. We are made persfect in Christ, without spot or blemish so-to-speak.

 

[dcontroversal]

habitual sin yes

if you are saying we can stop sinning altogether? then I disagree

God does not 'take' our sins. He has forgiven them because of Jesus but a Christian can truly struggle with sin for various reasons (which the explanations for do not need to sidetrack your thread)

I am sure that if all one had to do would be to ask God to remove all sin, everyone would be lined up right now and doing it because sin causes all kinds of troubles and nastiness in this life

sanctification is a process; not a position.

salvation is constant as in..I have been saved, I am saved, I am being saved

postionally, we are IN Christ, meaning God sees us as righteous. we are not righteous without being IN Christ...ie Saved

Point A....Agree

Point B....Partially agree....our sin has been nailed to the cross, paid for by Christ, God's grace is preemptive in a believer and bounds ahead of our sin, agree with the struggle aspect

Point C....He is faithful and just to forgive us of our sins......we are to lay all of our burdens at his feet

Point D....Disagree....it is both....Sanctified (set apart) in Christ positionally for ever "HEBREWS", and a daily process of growth and maturity in our physical life

Point E....ETERNAL and cannot be lost and or forfeit....a present continuing result from a past completed action

Point F....Refer to point D and the word IN in Greek is a fixed position.....

 

[BillG]

habitual sin yes

if you are saying we can stop sinning altogether? then I disagree

God does not 'take' our sins. He has forgiven them because of Jesus but a Christian can truly struggle with sin for various reasons (which the explanations for do not need to sidetrack your thread)

I am sure that if all one had to do would be to ask God to remove all sin, everyone would be lined up right now and doing it because sin causes all kinds of troubles and nastiness in this life

sanctification is a process; not a position.

salvation is constant as in..I have been saved, I am saved, I am being saved

postionally, we are IN Christ, meaning God sees us as righteous. we are not righteous without being IN Christ...ie Saved

Great post.

Thanks for honing in on habitual side.

I just ask everyone to understand that those who have a habitual sin habit, whatever it may be to be kind loving and gentle towards them.

Telling them they can just stop it doesn't help.

What helps is coming alongside and getting to know them, then understanding the thought processes that dictates their actions and then replacing the lies with truth.

Whom we are in Christ and what we mean to him.