Can we pray Mary?

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Jackson123

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I have a right to it?
Then why isn't my husband healed of parkinsons?
I know God wants us healthy.
I feel like sickness is demonic, and it is.
But my husband doesn't get well.

Do you believe that everyone who demands, or reaches out to get their healing, will have it?
You're making it sound like maybe some don't really want the healing...
Hi FranC

My son is autism, I pray a Lot, and doesn't get well. God has a plan for us. and His plan is to make us come closer to Him.
The end of the day we Will understand why God let problem happen.

Jesus Said If you eyes bring you to hell, take It of, is better you go to heaven without eyes than go to hell with both of your eyes
 
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I like that Joe....OUr prayers ought to be humble...So what is humble? Humility is simply bowing to Gods will...Not a fake thingy like "I'm so unworthy." Humility is not contradicting Gods Word. And no, you don't have to quote chapter and verse at Him but your requests should line up at least with His Word. Wouldn't you say?
I'd say it depends on the situation,for example many people around the world say simple prayers even without "perceiving them" like "please God strengthen me" when a person feels weak,or perhaps the most common one "God help me"
when a person is about to be killed in some manner hoping for God's intervention whether they truly believe in God or not is of no consequence,God is no respectee to persons and will help whom he sees fit to help,through answering a prayer with some form of action,quite honestly not everyone has a "bible" or some don't know how to read,so while I get your sentiment and respect it,prayer to God is not turned away by God so easily,think of the king Saul,at one point God no longer answered his prayers,because soon David would be the new king of Israel and Saul continually did wrong by God,so prayer to God by "Anyone" whether biblically inspired or not is acceptable to God if they at that moment in time they are "sincere" and "humble" in their prayer,meaning in their "heart" they "needed" God's help and so therefore God from there decides whether to intervene or not,because God knows what you "need",and what you can "manage" many are disappointed when God doesn't give them what they "want" and they misunderstand it's not that God doesn't already give you "plenty" it's more of we can't decide what we really "need",many think on fame,fortune or the like but those aren't "needs" they are "wants",like I think on Solomon he asked God for "wisdom" and the "knowledge" to judge between people in matters,and because of choosing "wisdom" over money,fame,power,and many other things,God gave him all the things he did not ask for along with what he asked for,prayer is more of a way to tell "honestly" ask God for help concerning one's self or others,or perhaps more plainly put,a way to let God know you need him at the same time as asking for his help,like daniel he prayed 3 times a day,not necessarily for help but more in showing God he cared for him and appreciated him,alot of people forget that prayer is not just for "asking for help" it's also for "speaking to God in appreciation" a prayer isn't always to be about "heal that person" or "help me" it's also about bringing yourself before God and "honestly" telling him how much you appreciate all you have as well as all God does for you,what I'm getting at is that the "Bible" is "important" but prayer is "always" accepted by God so long as you are "sincere" and "humble" and does not have to be silently to God in can be outloud as well as I showed by examples,God listens "always" and there is "almost" no reason that God will ever not answer a prayer such a thing is "nearly" unheard of(Saul is an example but it's "rare" for God to not answer)it wouldn't matter if you were a person that had the least knowledge of the entire world,God always "listens" and "answers" prayers,either yes or no,if God doesn't answer in anyway then the individual would have to be persistently "rebellious" in someway toward God to have such a "rare" result!(as with king saul)
 
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I suppose that went right over your head I was speaking in a "logical" stand point,mary magdalene as I stated before is either dead or ascended,if one prays to someone dead to pray for them that is not God/Jesus,then it is futile,only praying to God/Jesus is of any use,for example if one were to pray to one of God's followers that have either died or ascended,that would be folly,because for one they would not oppose God,and they don't have God's power to answer prayer with action of some sort.
But I did not say that they have God's power. Let me ask you this, are they still part of the Mystical Body of Christ?
 
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True enough. But they have departed from this earth, and that is the point that is being raised.

There is absolutely no biblical support for petitioning the saints in Heaven. Why? Because we are invited to come DIRECTLY AND BOLDLY to the Throne of God -- to God the Father Himself, in the Name of the Son, sand by the power of the Spirit of God.
But is it wrong to ask a member of the Church to pray for you? We still believe that those, in Heaven, are still part of the Church.
 
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dead phycically, they can not answere your question. Can they talk back to you?

And why you believe they able to hear you?
But how do you know? I have had prayers answered through the intercession of the saints.
 

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they called themselves high priest appointed by man. not God.
 

Jackson123

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But how do you know? I have had prayers answered through the intercession of the saints.
devil have power to answere pray.

in my country muslim build a tower next to mosque, they pray to their God to put the dome oN top of the tower. Then more than a ton dome fly and landing exactly oN target. They think God does It.

they think they not pray to the devil. Just follow the bible. Pray direct lu to God, why pray to mary?
This link is document how powerful the devil is

https://youtu.be/oL9KArXdevo
 
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Hi FranC

My son is autism, I pray a Lot, and doesn't get well. God has a plan for us. and His plan is to make us come closer to Him.
The end of the day we Will understand why God let problem happen.

Jesus Said If you eyes bring you to hell, take It of, is better you go to heaven without eyes than go to hell with both of your eyes
Gods plan is never to let us get sick or lame. Read the Word and forget silly churchy doctrines. What did you just say? I pray and my daughter does not get healed...So what do you want? Do you want her healed? Or to stay with autism? If you want her to get healed of that thing. You speak what God speaks, not what your eyes see. I don't care if you believe this or not. YOU WILL HAVE WHAT YOU SAY!
Its no wonder you church people don't get prayers answered as much as you pray..You keep speaking against it.

And God does not allow sickness....We do.
 
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Gods plan is never to let us get sick or lame. Read the Word and forget silly churchy doctrines. What did you just say? I pray and my daughter does not get healed...So what do you want? Do you want her healed? Or to stay with autism? If you want her to get healed of that thing. You speak what God speaks, not what your eyes see. I don't care if you believe this or not. YOU WILL HAVE WHAT YOU SAY!
Its no wonder you church people don't get prayers answered as much as you pray..You keep speaking against it.

And God does not allow sickness....We do.
[h=1] Matthew 18:18 (CJB)
[/h] [SUP]18 [/SUP]Yes! I tell you people that whatever you prohibit on earth will be prohibited in heaven, and whatever you permit on earth will be permitted in heaven. Notice? It does not say "Whatever God allows..." It says whatever We allow.




 
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But how do you know? I have had prayers answered through the intercession of the saints.
Has it occurred to you that those saints may have been praying according to the Word?
 

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But is it wrong to ask a member of the Church to pray for you? We still believe that those, in Heaven, are still part of the Church.
Greetings cyberman,

Regardless of your attempt to justify praying to saints or to Mary, scripture states that there is One Mediator between God and man, which Christ Jesus. He's the One who shed his blood and He is the one who speaks on our behalf and makes intercession for us. In addition, there are no scriptures that even hint at our praying to the those who have died in Christ nor to Mary.



 
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Greetings cyberman,

Regardless of your attempt to justify praying to saints or to Mary, scripture states that there is One Mediator between God and man, which Christ Jesus. He's the One who shed his blood and He is the one who speaks on our behalf and makes intercession for us. In addition, there are no scriptures that even hint at our praying to the those who have died in Christ nor to Mary.



No. Its not wrong to ask Chrisians to pray for you. An example..James 5:14 I still suggest you be very careful which Christians you ask though..for reasons stated above.
 

graceNpeace

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No. Its not wrong to ask Chrisians to pray for you. An example..James 5:14 I still suggest you be very careful which Christians you ask though..for reasons stated above.
Are you confused?
The reference was to DEAD saints...not asking live one's to pray one one's behalf!
 
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Are you confused?
The reference was to DEAD saints...not asking live one's to pray one one's behalf!
Do you feel better now? I'm so glad. Its fun slapping at someone when they misunderstand isn't it? I'm glad you enjoyed yourself.
 

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Cyberman. You have only been here a month so you may not be aware that this Site does NOT allow the type of catholic heresy you are promoting here. This is a post from the site owner. Robo Op Please read it and adhere to it before you are banned from this site. Thank you.

[h=2]Catholic Heresy (for the record)[/h]
We try to welcome everyone to our site including people who grow up with Catholic tradition because of course we want to lead people to the truth.

But sometimes it's perceived that we tolerate error and heresy. Please understand first of all that we don't screen every thread and post in this forum. YOU can help with that. :) If there's something that you really think we should deal with, then use the Report button (there's a Report button on every post). But please understand that there will be some error and we don't remove all error or even all heresy from the site, partly because it's an opportunity for Christians to correct it and respond with the word of God. But if there's too much of it or too much from one person then we do some housecleaning. We certainly don't want our site to be dominated by Catholic heresy or whatever heresy or error, and we don't want people to get the impression that we just tolerate all of that.

So for the record, Catholicism is heresy. That's what the admins of this site believe.

Mary WAS A SINNER.

She needed a savior, just like you and me.

She is NOT the "mother of God". God has no mother, because God is God. Yes Jesus is God, and Mary was his mother, but we have to understand the dual nature of Jesus. He was 100% God yes, and also 100% man. Mary was his mother as a man, not as God. No where does the scripture refer to Mary as the "mother of God". And in fact, she's not even mentioned in all the epistles. All the New Testament instruction to the church is all about Jesus, not Mary. They never said "hail Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners". They always said JESUS .. JESUS... JESUS.

This is preaching to the choir for most people here. But it regularly happens that we start to accumulate Catholics here who really promote and argue their Catholicism, along with all the heresy.

So for the record, if anyone wants or needs to hear it, we don't agree with Catholic heresy. And yes it is heresy to exalt any other human being as sinless to the same level as Jesus (as the Catholics do with Mary -- they actually teach that Mary was sinless like Jesus!!!), and put equal focus on a person other than Jesus.

At the same time, we understand that no one is born a Christian. That's why Jesus said you must be born again. So we welcome all who are seeking -- Catholics, Muslims, homosexuals, and even protestants who are "Christian" only by tradition -- to experience our fellowship here on this site and learn the truth that Jesus is the way and the truth and the life and no one can come to the father except through Him. And there is only one God, and one mediator between God, the man Christ Jesus. Because he was both 100% man and 100% God, that makes him the perfect mediator between man and God. That's why the scripture also tells us to go straight to Jesus -- go to the throne of grace with confidence, knowing that he can understand our weaknesses and everything, since he lived as a man like us (and even experienced all temptation). Hence we don't need Mary to go to or go through -- that defeats the purpose of Jesus.

I saw my mother-in-law die before my eyes putting her faith in Mary. Days before she died I asked her if Mary can save her and she actually said yes. Then in her dying moments, my father-in-law pushed me in front of her to pray for her as she was dying before our eyes. I simply prayed out loud in front of everyone that she would put her faith in Jesus, and ONLY JESUS. There was protesting in the background "wala na Maria? wala na Maria?", which is Filipino language for "No Mary?? No Marry??". You see how deceived they all are. It is sad. You see how the devil uses that poison to add something to Jesus.

So I hope it's clear what we believe and we hope that we can promote the truth here in love.
 

graceNpeace

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Do you feel better now? I'm so glad. Its fun slapping at someone when they misunderstand isn't it? I'm glad you enjoyed yourself.
I am afraid this reply speaks volumes of your state of mind.
It says much more about you than me...
 
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LOL And you're an expert. Right?
I can't believe it! I was to say something really nasty there to Gracelesspieces. But I didn't. I must be a really nice guy! LOLOL