Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Sep 29, 2024
553
159
43
I guess provoking might be synonymous with trolling.
Agree friend, it does seem to want to control/derail genuine discussion. I'd like to think unintentionally but can't in this case.
 

Genez

Junior Member
Oct 12, 2017
4,345
743
113
Yes, Jesus says they are spiritually dead; but where does Jesus say they were born spiritually dead?

That is the blasted implication in the term Jesus used!
Jesus was blowing up the self-righteousness of the Pharisees!

You must be born again!

The second birth is the spiritual birth!
 
Sep 29, 2024
553
159
43
That is the blasted implication in the term Jesus used!
Jesus was blowing up the self-righteousness of the Pharisees!

You must be born again!

The second birth is the spiritual birth!
When in a hole, keep digging. Bless!
 
Sep 29, 2024
553
159
43
And, now you two are trying to provoke me? :LOL: :ROFL::coffee:
Thing is, you deserve it, you are spiteful to so many. it would be nice to think you could learn from a taste of your own medicine, however, i won't hold my breath.
 

Genez

Junior Member
Oct 12, 2017
4,345
743
113
Thing is, you deserve it, you are spiteful to so many. it would be nice to think you could learn from a taste of your own medicine, however, i won't hold my breath.
Go ahead..... Vent your spleen of bitterness.
Angels are watching you...
 

Genez

Junior Member
Oct 12, 2017
4,345
743
113
Oh the irony! Doubt you have the maturity to understand.


I am not going to bother with you...

Lifelong Learner? Have you read? -

Always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.

2 Timothy 3:7

......
 
Sep 29, 2024
553
159
43
Aww! Can't bear the thought of you not bothering with me! Well, ok, do you promise not to? Will you not infest my posts either? Promise?!
 

Genez

Junior Member
Oct 12, 2017
4,345
743
113
Aww! Can't bear the thought of you not bothering with me! Well, ok, do you promise not to? Will you not infest my posts either? Promise?!
You need a good teacher...

What you have been exposed to (according to your info) offers you a jail cell to try to learn from.

Really need to get up to the time you are living in with God's Word to comfort and stabilize you.
 

Genez

Junior Member
Oct 12, 2017
4,345
743
113
Aww! Can't bear the thought of you not bothering with me! Well, ok, do you promise not to? Will you not infest my posts either? Promise?!

Sorry... did not know you are a woman until I checked your info.

Your avatar seemed to be a typical reformation era person.....
 
Sep 29, 2024
553
159
43
You need a good teacher...

What you have been exposed to (according to your info) offers you a jail cell to try to learn from.

Really need to get up to the time you are living in with God's Word to comfort and stabilize you.
Sweetheart, actually don't like saying this but Christian isn't a word which leaps to mind with someone like you. You have some front offering spiritual "advice", you really need to sort your own issues first.
 

Genez

Junior Member
Oct 12, 2017
4,345
743
113
Sweetheart, actually don't like saying this but Christian isn't a word which leaps to mind with someone like you. You have some front offering spiritual "advice", you really need to sort your own issues first.
Thank you, madam...

Well, maybe you are where you want to be...

Enjoy the ride.
 
Sep 29, 2024
553
159
43
Thank you, madam...

Well, maybe you are where you want to be...

Enjoy the ride.
Ah! Legend in your own mind sweetheart, you don't demonstrate any spiritual learning, genuinely looks like you just want to annoy people. Hope you grow out of it.
 

Genez

Junior Member
Oct 12, 2017
4,345
743
113
Sweetheart, actually don't like saying this but Christian isn't a word which leaps to mind with someone like you. You have some front offering spiritual "advice", you really need to sort your own issues first.

Take a look at what the nice sweet Jesus did with Peter.
Maybe, you would have said that Jesus was not Christian?


From that time, Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem,
and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed,
and be raised the third day.
Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You,
Lord; this shall not happen to You!”
But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me,
for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.” Matthew 16:21-23​


That was so 'unchristian' of Jesus?

And, Jesus publically rebuked a woman as well

The Spirit can work in a manner that will not pamper our flesh, and even insult you,
if you truly desire to grow and to understand the true life in Christ.
You must die, so He can increase.

God wants to strip away our flesh's desires on how we demand to be seen and treated.
And, in turn. He will replace our thinking with His thinking (the mind of Christ).

Jesus called Peter Satan. Imagine that.
Called Peter "Satan" right after Peter was offering what would appear to human reasoning to be a very noble and kind gesture.

Growing genuinely in Christ is not accepted by everyone.

Jesus told us... "Only a few will find it."

In contrast to the few, many Christians will run and hide inside some denominational hiding place on the broad and wide road
that will lead to their destruction for gaining the Life He wants us to have.

“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction,
and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which
leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matthew 7:13-14​

At some point God makes His offer.

Few accept it.
 

Genez

Junior Member
Oct 12, 2017
4,345
743
113
Ah! Legend in your own mind sweetheart, you don't demonstrate any spiritual learning, genuinely looks like you just want to annoy people. Hope you grow out of it.
I understand that you do not know what it is that you think you are looking for.

No loss of hope.
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
63,337
32,031
113
Sweetheart, actually don't like saying this but Christian isn't a word which leaps to mind with someone like you. You have some front offering spiritual "advice", you really need to sort your own issues first.
A most unusual occurrence for me was when I declined an offer from him, his dried up side kick literally hissed, spat, and meowed at me like a cat.
 
Sep 29, 2024
553
159
43
Take a look at what the nice sweet Jesus did with Peter.
Maybe, you would have said that Jesus was not Christian?


From that time, Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem,
and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed,
and be raised the third day.
Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You,
Lord; this shall not happen to You!”
But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me,
for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.” Matthew 16:21-23​


That was so 'unchristian' of Jesus?

And, Jesus publically rebuked a woman as well

The Spirit can work in a manner that will not pamper our flesh, and even insult you,
if you truly desire to grow and to understand the true life in Christ.
You must die, so He can increase.

God wants to strip away our flesh's desires on how we demand to be seen and treated.
And, in turn. He will replace our thinking with His thinking (the mind of Christ).

Jesus called Peter Satan. Imagine that.
Called Peter "Satan" right after Peter was offering what would appear to human reasoning to be a very noble and kind gesture.

Growing genuinely in Christ is not accepted by everyone.

Jesus told us... "Only a few will find it."

In contrast to the few, many Christians will run and hide inside some denominational hiding place on the broad and wide road
that will lead to their destruction for gaining the Life He wants us to have.

“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction,
and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which
leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matthew 7:13-14​

At some point God makes His offer.

Few accept it.
This is what i mean about you just want to annoy people. i read comments from people who know what they're talking about, read a few of yours and know they're a waste of time.
 
Sep 29, 2024
553
159
43
A most unusual occurrence for me was when I declined an offer from him, his dried up side kick literally hissed, spat, and meowed at me like a cat.
Really think he's just a kid precious friend, irritating and immature. Think people should call him out, he shouldn't be allowed to be silly, even cause problems here.
Sadly, he probably is short of friends, hard to imagine he's a popular type.