Can you be out of Fellowship with God and still be Saved?

kennethcadwell · Jan 9, 2015

That is because David continued in obedience by confessing his sins, that is why he never had doubt.
The scriptures make it clear that not all will continue in fellowship with the Lord, and will turn away and stay separated from Him. That they will never come back in repentance because they love darkness more then light.

John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

John 6:66
From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Matthew 24:10-13
And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

Hebrews 3:12-14
Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.

Hizikyah · Jan 9, 2015

Sobering and humbling.

kennethcadwell said:

John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

John 6:66
From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Matthew 24:10-13
And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

Hebrews 3:12-14
Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.

GracethroughfaithinChrist · Jan 9, 2015

newbirth said:

Thanks for pointing that out brother newbirth. Interesting point and i agree, both observations can be made based on the question as it is indirect and leaves room for both interpretations.

BradC · Jan 9, 2015

When one is born of an incorruptible seed, how is that birth revoked or corrupted when it is seeded by a seed that is incorruptible? This incorruptible seed has made us new creatures, created in righteousness and true holiness. God did this for sinful man the moment he believed. I can show you more than 60 things that God does for the believe in that moment he says yes to Christ. Can outward acts of sin or failure wipe away these 60 plus things that God does for us inwardly through divine imputations?

What many of you.are saying is that God can cleanse us from all our pass sins and save us but if we sin after that and do not confess those sins we will have lost or forfeited our salvation because of sin. A person can be saved and cleansed from sin at one point in his life and lose it because of unconfessed sin. This makes the salvation of Christ based upon our acknowledgment and confession of sin and not in our trust in the cross of Christ who died and put away our sins. As soon as we sin and fail to confess our sin, we are no longer saved and must confess our sin to be up to date with our salvation. To me that makes confession a constant work that I must continually be engaged in order for God to be able to save me to the uttermost. No constant confession, no salvation or at least we are in danger of no salvation. Is this what you want us to believe and abide by in our daily walk?

If all the sin that we had been involved with through the flesh did not stop God from saving us when we first believed, how can any sin after we believe take away or cause us to forfeit what God did by grace through faith?

newbirth · Jan 9, 2015

BradC said:

that incorruptible seed is the word of God and a continuous process of transformation ....notice how the soul is purified....you are contending that this was done the moment you believed...
1 Peter 1:22-24King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

[SUP]24 [/SUP]For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

God took away our sins because we had no power to do so....but now he gives us power over sin,power to become sons of God...power to choose right over wrong...to live like Christ did...it is like saying ..if it was me in the garden I would never had eaten the fruit...well now is your chance to make God proud...

like I said ...this is our chance to do the right thing...if God made us permanently saved the moment we believed....what is the point of us living...might as well kill us all and send us to heaven...

Kaycie · Jan 9, 2015

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psychomom · Jan 9, 2015

gracious! so what would this mean?

we're born again, we're not, we're born again...again, we're not...

we've been given eternal life.
not based on whether or not we are faithful, but because HE is faithful.

newbirth · Jan 9, 2015

psychomom said:

what scripture are you reading...or is that your opinion?
eternal life is in Christ.....and the scripture says sin not....
Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

I am assuming obey him has something to do with us being faithful

psychomom · Jan 9, 2015

newbirth said:

m'kay...so what you propose is that if, in a time of trial i have a moment, hour, day of unbelief...
if in that time i fail to trust Him, i'm out?

how would i get back "in"?
do i have to be born again again?

how is that eternal life?

jeff_peacemkr · Jan 9, 2015

the people Jesus tells , be gone from ME , on judgment day, I NEVER knew you, thought they were saved, and thought they were serving God, and weren't.
they were always lost. ("I NEVER knew you").

they were NEVER in fellowship, NEVER in union, with God nor with Jesus. NEVER immersed in Him. not even for a little while. but they were SURE that they were saved, right up until JUDGMENT DAY when Jesus told them begone.

passinthru · Jan 9, 2015

True salvation is so much stronger than we can fathom. Jesus made it possible for all here to have eternal life by accepting him. I think most here have been born into the family of God. Studying scripture is of course important. DUH. However it isw critical that we lean not unto our own understanding of the word of God but allow the Holy Spirit to lead us and guide us towards all truth. SO SO many time we let 'self' get in the way. So many time we let that sneaky tool of the enemy PRIDE get in the way. Not a person here is perfect but we are perfected in Jesus. Sometimes religion, as we see it, gets in the way of the true gospel of the way the truth and the life that is in us. There are theologians out there today that may be able to recite the bible forward and backwards and will still burn in Hell. There are ,by the same token, people on skid row who will danc ein glory as they walk the golden streets one day. I am a nobody myself but I can say that my daddy has been given all power in heaven and on earth and that he will remain my father in spite of my shortcomings here and there. Faith , love and grace abounds in the true family of God. Yes there is rebuke and there is conviction that leads us to a better road on our journeys,,,,,but the destination is the same. We are the church folks.... blood bought and standing on a rock of salvation. Praise God

OnThisRock · Jan 9, 2015

Jason0047 said:

Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:

Jer 3:22 Return, ye backsliding children, [and] I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou [art] the LORD our God.

The only thing I researched was about how when we have lost our way, if we repent, He will bring us back.

Jason0047 · Jan 9, 2015

GracethroughfaithinChrist said:

This is talking about how we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and how God the Father laid our sins upon Christ so that He could make available the free gift of salvation. This obviously cannot refer to all people going astray their entire lives. There have been many faithful believers. So the going astray part is in reference to when before they had come to the faith in the Lord. So this passage does not prove one can be out of fellowship with God and still be saved. it's talking about the price Jesus Christ paid for us so that mankind is able to receive the free gift of salvation.

Jason0047 · Jan 9, 2015

OnThisRock said:

This is speaking of Election of a Chosen Nation.

"I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew."
(Romans 11:1-2).

God's Marriage Committment to Israel is not saying they are saved Jews even without Jesus. What this means is that God has not cast away Israel his people of which he foreknew. For one day Israel will repent sometime shortly before the 2nd Coming of Christ. However, because Israel rejected their Messiah (Jesus), they were cut off.

"Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heedlest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. (Romans 11:20-22).

In fact, we are admonished in this passage that we (Gentiles) should continue in His goodness, otherwise we could be cut off, too.

nogard · Jan 9, 2015

So you could walk faithfully with God for 60 years, then have your wife die, blame God and break your fellowship, then die 5 years later and go to hell.

Your next door neighbor can live a life of wickedness for 60 years, then have his wife die, find God and live in fellowship for 5 years, then die and go to heaven.

Makes about as much sense as anything else I suppose....you'd just think God would honor the part of you that was in fellowship at some point in your life and not just where you were spiritually at the end. Does not the rest of your life matter at all to God?

GracethroughfaithinChrist · Jan 10, 2015

Jason0047 said:

Your question "Can you be out of Fellowship with God and still be Saved?" does not state whether a person has lived their entire life outside of "fellowship" with God or not, that was not the question you posed here.

There have been many men who had no "fellowship" or even knowledge of God whatsoever that became saved after receiving and believing the Gospel. They were unbelievers prior to that moment and had no fellowship with God but were saved regardless. "Can you be out of Fellowship with God and still be Saved?" in the aforementioned scenario, they obviously can be saved. Your question can be understood to have different meanings as another scenario exists where a person has slipped in sin and stepped out of fellowship with God. In that scenario they can be saved as well, Christ is able to save to the uttermost all who come to God by Him. A No answer to your question, in the first scenario is incorrect as many unbelievers out of fellowship with God have been saved. In the second scenario a no answer gives the implication that when one slips back into sin and falls outside of fellowship with God, that their salvation becomes jeopardized. That to is incorrect as we are told to repent and believe. Once that happens the work of salvation begins and ends with Christ. He is able to save to the uttermost all who come to God by Him. Not a lot of gray area in those words in Hebrews 7:25 my friend.

jeff_peacemkr · Jan 10, 2015

nogard said:

yes, it matters. God takes no pleasure in the death even of the wicked. Those who do not endure to the end.... well, you read it.

remember the UNBELIEVABLY GREAT PRICE GOD PAID , sending His Son Yahshua to be born a man, to be crucified with criminals as a criminal, ; raised from the dead so ALL might have HOPE, and ascended into heaven , interceding for US, people who were DEAD IN SIN AND TRESPASSES when HE DIED FOR US !!!!!!

He didn't have to. but it was planned before the creation of the world. He chose to love all those who call on Him, all those who seek Him, to live His way INSTEAD OF SATANS SELFISH WAY. He even loved them/us BEFORE we turned to Him. THAT is gracious mercy to the uttermost !

so, if someone takes HIS ETERNAL GIFT, and tramples underfoot ..... well, you get the idea. it is written.

Yahweh is Perfect and Just and Holy and Righteous and True and Faithful. no one else can save you, only Him. (in Jesus).

nogard · Jan 10, 2015

All I am saying is that it just seems odd, even arbitrary, that one's eternal resting place is decided upon based on where that person is at spiritually at the moment of their death.

The rest of your life before that moment might as well be meaningless. It doesn't matter. There could be a 70 year old on his deathbed, who lived a selfish life, never thought of God or had any relationship with Him at all. But if this man accepts Christ, truly, then dies three days later, he'll go to heaven forever. Take another man, who has been a faithful Christian all his life. Loving God. Praying. Worshipping. But something happens late in his life and he goes through a period of doubt and rebellion and dies during this time. According to what you guys are saying, God will send this man to hell. What kind of father would do that to his child?

If that second man would have died 5 years earlier, before his period of doubt and rebellion, he would have gone to heaven. So you are saying that this man's eternal resting place is dependent on something as trivial as where he was at spiritually the moment of his death? Am I the only one who sees how ridiculous this sounds?

Brother_Don · Jan 10, 2015

i don't know, but i know the word say's stick close to Him and He will stick close to you.

Jason0047 · Jan 10, 2015

GracethroughfaithinChrist said:

Okay, I am beginning to understand why people voted for "other" in the poll now. Folks are confused on what "Fellowship" means. If I make a new friend, guess what happens? We have fellowship. You make a new friend (Christ) when you repent, believe the gospel, and accept Jesus Christ as your Savior. Fellowship begins the moment you accept him and so does salvation. There was no fellowship before and neither was there any salvation. This is what Jesus says in Revelation 3:20.

"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." (Revelation 3:20).

For the moment one opens the door of their heart to Christ's knocking to come in, Christ will then sup with him in addition to that person supping with Christ. This is fellowship.

As for Hebrews 7:25: Well, when you read that verse, you have to also read it in light of the text within that book (i.e. scroll). Hebrews 3:12 warns if there are any among the brethren who has an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God. This is talking about believers. Hebrews 3:13 says exhort one another daily unless someone has been hardened to the deceitfulness of sin. Now, think about that for a moment. How can you be hardened to the deceitfulness of sin if every believer is saved to the uttermost by God? Such a warning to be hardened to the deceitfulness of sin is pointless because you are going to be saved anyways; And technically there would be no such thing as departing from the living God according to the OSAS proponent. They believe Once saved, always saved. There is no true real departing from the Lord in their book of man made Theology.

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