Caravan coming to US

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In the US people elect leader isn't It?
So you think that God only elects people in other countries and that he lets us adulterers do it ourselves in the US like some special privilege? Or, perhaps God is Sovereign over this entire planet?
 

Jackson123

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I find it interesting the pointing of the finger of those in other countries at the US as if only the US is adulterous, and as if they are innocent.
I watch us pastor that preach about that in the youtube. The fact is every country commit adultery and corrupt. In my country corrupt is thousand time greater than us. And God punish my country as Being poor country.

Tradition in the country side in my country is hipocrit, If people know a man sleep with non wife woman, the whole town come and force into the house, break the door, ask that man to married the woman, but prostitution is happen, why they not do the same?
 

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God does not have any such covenant with any country right now.

Good and peaceful countries are invaded (like during colonization) and bad evil countries full of paganism are left to be safe.

So, it does not work this way.
Seem to me bad country have more crime than good country
 

trofimus

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It certainly is bad to live in a country with high crime rate.

Of course its safer to live in Switzerland or Japan than to live in India or Honduras.
 

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It certainly is bad to live in a country with high crime rate.

Of course its safer to live in Switzerland or Japan than to live in India or Honduras.
That I mean,

When God punish Israel, not because every body in Israel run away from the Lord, It may some or majority, but when God punish the country, both bad and good people suffer.
 

trofimus

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That I mean,

When God punish Israel, not because every body in Israel run away from the Lord, It may some or majority, but when God punish the country, both bad and good people suffer.
Church is Israel, now. Not the USA.
 

Jackson123

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Church is Israel, now. Not the USA.
The rule of God is not only for Israel isn't It?

In the bible God sent jonah to nineveh, to warn them to repent. I believe nineveh is not Israel, but God love them and warn them to repent.
 

Jackson123

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God puts them in place. Not people
It may, but Seem to me people Elect the leader. Than depend of the quality of the people, If majority people good, they elect good leader, If majority people bad, they elect bad leader.
 

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It may, but Seem to me people Elect the leader. Than depend of the quality of the people, If majority people good, they elect good leader, If majority people bad, they elect bad leader.
Then you are questioning the word of God,by which we should know thatthat God elects leaders
 
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Any foriegn national knows the legal way to com to the US. (Especially with the world the way it is, laws need to be enforced) If they want to come, Do it the legal way, as everyone else should

And oh by the way, Think about this caravan.

They have enough money to feed each all the people every day, They have enough money to take cqre of their medical needs, They have enough money to make this long march

Where did this money come from if they are so poor?

Oh and notice. They went through mexico, why is mexico not doing what everyone demands we do?
 
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hmmm

while scripture does say God raises one up and puts another down (king) I don't think he is like a puppet master or chess player doing so

Israel demanded a king so God gave them one. it was not His will to do so however

I believe much of what we see is pretty much that way. it is not God's will for people to do the evil they do, yet He allows it

He does work out all things for His will to be done and that would agree with the verse in Romans

And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. Romans :28

I believe that tells us that the 'all things' are even the evil things. and what is God's purpose? ultimately that Christ will rule over all things and all things will be under submission to Him. one day, EVERY knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord

the Bible speaks of the world systems...those are ordered by the devil...these are not of God

frankly, I would think Christians would pray for God's mercy on these terrible situations and remember that it is only the Holy Spirit holding back the evil that would like to utterly destroy this world

that's a brief synopsis of what I understand from scripture concerning these things

why are we told to put on the armor and stand if we are just to watch it all go down and say well that is God's will. most of what is going down is not God's will. there is no evil that is the will of God. He can use evil to accomplish His will, but evil itself is not His will
 
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It may, but Seem to me people Elect the leader. Than depend of the quality of the people, If majority people good, they elect good leader, If majority people bad, they elect bad leader.
I agree

you have not said ANYTHING anti-American, yet you are being accused of doing so

your point is well taken

in my post above, I bring up the fact that Israel demanded a king and so God gave them one

people pretty much bring down on their own heads what they get

the miracle, is God creating good out of that mess. God has eternity in mind always...people dismiss that and look at short term events

yet the galaxies spin on
 
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That I mean,

When God punish Israel, not because every body in Israel run away from the Lord, It may some or majority, but when God punish the country, both bad and good people suffer.
yes

for example the captives taken into exile. babies killed by invading armies.

God had told Israel to destroy all their pagan neighbors...completely...and they never finished that task and so years later, they paid the price in different ways to their own destruction

the Bible says what it says. it is obvious that obedience to God secures His favor in your life and country

this country, the US, is divided and at war with itself and it is a war of ideologies with spiritual and eternal consequences

in fact, the entire earth is in this struggle and in upheaval as the devil operates through those who belong to him
 

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The rule of God is not only for Israel isn't It?

In the bible God sent jonah to nineveh, to warn them to repent. I believe nineveh is not Israel, but God love them and warn them to repent.
In this era we live in, the eternal fate is more than the problem whether some political country will last or change to another one.

If people do not change because of their souls, why should they change because there are immigrants incoming to their country? To the country so big, that even millions of immigrants will find enough space for living... Northern America is one of the most underpopulated continents, so I do not know why to be so apocalyptic about all this.
 

Jackson123

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Any foriegn national knows the legal way to com to the US. (Especially with the world the way it is, laws need to be enforced) If they want to come, Do it the legal way, as everyone else should

And oh by the way, Think about this caravan.

They have enough money to feed each all the people every day, They have enough money to take cqre of their medical needs, They have enough money to make this long march

Where did this money come from if they are so poor?

Oh and notice. They went through mexico, why is mexico not doing what everyone demands we do?
From what I know, a globalist organized them for political reason, they are.not come only for work, some of them may, but gang banget, terrorist come with them. Globalist want to make chaos to every country in the world so he can create one world government.

If you want to build a giant building in the housing community, you have to destroy all the existing building so you have a groom for new building call new world order
 
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From what I know, a globalist organized them for political reason, they are.not come only for work, some of them may, but gang banget, terrorist come with them. Globalist want to make chaos to every country in the world so he can create one world government.

If you want to build a giant building in the housing community, you have to destroy all the existing building so you have a groom for new building call new world order
Would not suprise me if it was a Liberal from the US. Continuing the HATE TRUMP campain..
 

Jackson123

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hmmm

while scripture does say God raises one up and puts another down (king) I don't think he is like a puppet master or chess player doing so

Israel demanded a king so God gave them one. it was not His will to do so however

I believe much of what we see is pretty much that way. it is not God's will for people to do the evil they do, yet He allows it

He does work out all things for His will to be done and that would agree with the verse in Romans

And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. Romans :28

I believe that tells us that the 'all things' are even the evil things. and what is God's purpose? ultimately that Christ will rule over all things and all things will be under submission to Him. one day, EVERY knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord

the Bible speaks of the world systems...those are ordered by the devil...these are not of God

frankly, I would think Christians would pray for God's mercy on these terrible situations and remember that it is only the Holy Spirit holding back the evil that would like to utterly destroy this world

that's a brief synopsis of what I understand from scripture concerning these things

why are we told to put on the armor and stand if we are just to watch it all go down and say well that is God's will. most of what is going down is not God's will. there is no evil that is the will of God. He can use evil to accomplish His will, but evil itself is not His will
I agree, God let It happen to make people turn closer to Him