Catholic believe pope is infallible

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The RCC(and orthodox and some other denominations) teaching of being "born again" is infant baptism.

What RC's need to understand is that God dwells inside of us continually when we repent and invite Him to dwell inside and surrender to His ways.

It seems some RCs think God is only inside when they take communion/Eucharist...which goes in the stomach(at best). :(


This is not true.
The RC religion teaches that at some point in adulthood, one's baptism must be accepted.
IOW, they say the Holy Spirit is given at baptism, but He is asleep until the person decides to accept
Him .
 
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kaylagrl

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This is not true.
The RC religion teaches that at some point in adulthood, one's baptism must be accepted.
IOW, they say the Holy Spirit is given at baptism, but He is asleep until the person decides to accept
Him .


I actually did not know they believe this!
 
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​You may be right,and therein lies the problem.
I disagree. I don't believe in church theology. I think each of us needs to walk individually with the Lord and learn directly from him. A lot of our church leaders of all denominations seem to be pursuing their own personal agendas rather than the Lord's.
 

Test_F_i_2_Luv

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This is not true.
The RC religion teaches that at some point in adulthood, one's baptism must be accepted.
IOW, they say the Holy Spirit is given at baptism, but He is asleep until the person decides to accept
Him .
What's not true?
 
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This is the original quote:



Originally Posted by Test_F_i_2_Luv View Post

The RCC(and orthodox and some other denominations) teaching of being "born again" is infant baptism.
What RC's need to understand is that God dwells inside of us continually when we repent and invite Him to dwell inside and surrender to His ways.

It seems some RCs think God is only inside when they take communion/Eucharist...which goes in the stomach(at best).



What is not true is that the RCC believes that we are saved at baptism.

First of all they do not ue the term "born again" although they do know what it means and they do agree with
Ephesians 2:8.

The Holy Spirit IS given at infant baptism and the person becomes of a member of the Church family.

HOWEVER, if you ask anyone with knowledge, you'll find that they also understand that not everyone comes to accept God as their Savior and Lord.

So what I've taught (I'm not Catholic) is that the Holy Spirit is not ACTIVE in a person until they ACTIVATE Him. The person must accept their faith, the Kingdom of God, etc.

I do want to say that when one goes farther than the bible teaches, it does create problems that then have to be explained away.

On the other hand, the reason they baptize infants is interesting and may even be right...
 
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I disagree. I don't believe in church theology. I think each of us needs to walk individually with the Lord and learn directly from him. A lot of our church leaders of all denominations seem to be pursuing their own personal agendas rather than the Lord's.
I do agree that OUR walk with Jesus is a personal walk and He will hold us responsible only for what we believe.
This is why I've said many times that our doctrine does not save us, but JESUS saves us.

But don't you believe that this system you propose would cause a lot of confusion?
Don't you believe that Jesus meant for all of us to believe the same concepts as to what He taught?

At least we have only two main belief systems: Arminiansim and Calvinism.
Could you imagine if ALL our belief systems were made official?

As it is there are thousands of denominations.
I DO believe in mainline Church theologians.
One should know with which ones he agrees.

My two cents...
 

Zmouth

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I disagree. I don't believe in church theology. I think each of us needs to walk individually with the Lord and learn directly from him. A lot of our church leaders of all denominations seem to be pursuing their own personal agendas rather than the Lord's.

So if you don't believe in Church theology then how did you come to walk individually with the LORD if it is written;

43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:
John 6:43-44

So did the Father draw you? If so then why is it the following written;

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:6

In Luke 5:32 it is written, I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Consider the parable in Matthew 22:1-14 "For many are called, but few are chosen."

 
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notuptome

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This is the original quote:



Originally Posted by Test_F_i_2_Luv View Post

The RCC(and orthodox and some other denominations) teaching of being "born again" is infant baptism.
What RC's need to understand is that God dwells inside of us continually when we repent and invite Him to dwell inside and surrender to His ways.

It seems some RCs think God is only inside when they take communion/Eucharist...which goes in the stomach(at best).



What is not true is that the RCC believes that we are saved at baptism.

First of all they do not ue the term "born again" although they do know what it means and they do agree with
Ephesians 2:8.

The Holy Spirit IS given at infant baptism and the person becomes of a member of the Church family.

HOWEVER, if you ask anyone with knowledge, you'll find that they also understand that not everyone comes to accept God as their Savior and Lord.

So what I've taught (I'm not Catholic) is that the Holy Spirit is not ACTIVE in a person until they ACTIVATE Him. The person must accept their faith, the Kingdom of God, etc.

I do want to say that when one goes farther than the bible teaches, it does create problems that then have to be explained away.

On the other hand, the reason they baptize infants is interesting and may even be right...
You apparently do not know Romanism very well. They baptize infants to cleanse them from original sin and make them part of the church. They are able to receive the sacraments after confirmation. They teach one is granted eternal life through the sacraments which are a means of receiving grace.

They are fatally wrong in every one of their doctrines regarding soteriology.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Catholic believe pope is infallible or neve wrong in moral and reaching, but there is a change in teaching

before vatican second counsel, she believe there is no salvation out site catholic

after, she believe Islam and Jew are save

it mean she admit pope before second counsel was wrong in teaching, need correction

is she still maintain the doctrine of the infabillity of pope? Or unaware to realized coughs lying
Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church that states that,in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter,the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error "when,in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians,in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority,he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church."

The Pope is not infallible,for he is a person like everybody else that is prone to make a mistake,and Peter was not a Pope,but was the first person to be added to the Church,built upon Christ,who is the chief cornerstone.

Peter was not infallible,for Paul got in his face and told him to stop doing an action that caused him to not walk uprightly according to the truth of the Gospel,for Peter was a person prone to make a mistake like everybody else.

He claims to be the Holy Father,when Jesus said to a man that called Him good,why do you call Me good,when there is only one good,and that is God,and said call no man on earth father in a spiritual sense,for you only have one Father,and that is God.You can call your earthly parent father,but not anybody that is operating in a spiritual capacity claiming Christ.

Gives reverence to Mary above the other saints,and they bow down to a statue of her in reverence,and calls her the Queen of heaven,and mother of God,when Jesus was speaking to a crowd,and His disciples said,Jesus your mother and brethren desire to speak with you,and He said,who is My mother,and who are My brethren,and pointed to His disciples,and said,behold My mother and brethren,for who ever does the will of God the same is My mother,brethren,and sisters.

Jesus was speaking to a crown when a woman spoke up,and said,blessed is the woman that gave birth to you,but He said,yea rather,blessed is he that hears the word of God,and does it.

Jesus put Mary in the same category as all the saints,and said that born of woman there has not been a greater than John the Baptist,for he had the Spirit from birth,but not to save him,but to give him power to live the right lifestle to prepare the way for Jesus in the future,and Mary did not even receive the Spirit from birth.Jesus considered John greater than Mary,and said,that he that is least in the kingdom of God,is greater than John the Baptist,for John was not saved the entire time he was alive,for Christ's blood was not shed yet.

The Pope believes He is the head of the Church,when the Bible says that Christ is the head of the Church.

Christ is the head of the Church,and He does not have a right hand man sharing in that headship,and nobody can replace Him as the head of the Church,for Jesus is God and man,so Jesus has humanity as the man Christ Jesus,and His humanity supercedes that of the Pope who is human,and also He is God so He is surely the head of the Church,which is speaking of the humans all as part of the Church,which nobody can be above the man Christ Jesus.God is the head of the Church,top authority,but His humanity is the head of all the saints of the Church.

There is much more they have in error,but those are a few errors concerning the Catholic Church in the exaltation of the Pope,and Mary,which should not be.

Those alone should testify that the Pope is not infallible,for how could he make such bold statements,and have those beliefs,if he is infallible.
 

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I was raised a Catholic but no longer attend mass. I have never met a Catholic who believes that the pope is infallible. Even the pope doesn't believe this.
 
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I do agree that OUR walk with Jesus is a personal walk and He will hold us responsible only for what we believe.
This is why I've said many times that our doctrine does not save us, but JESUS saves us.

But don't you believe that this system you propose would cause a lot of confusion?
Don't you believe that Jesus meant for all of us to believe the same concepts as to what He taught?

At least we have only two main belief systems: Arminiansim and Calvinism.
Could you imagine if ALL our belief systems were made official?

As it is there are thousands of denominations.
I DO believe in mainline Church theologians.
One should know with which ones he agrees.

My two cents...
Our focus should be on the Lord, and he will teach us what we need to know. Constant prayer (1 Thess 5:17). You might compare what he's taught you to the theologies you mentioned, but stick to what he taught you. Don't let someone else do your thinking for you.
 
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So if you don't believe in Church theology then how did you come to walk individually with the LORD if it is written;

43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:
John 6:43-44

So did the Father draw you? If so then why is it the following written;

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:6

In Luke 5:32 it is written, I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Consider the parable in Matthew 22:1-14 "For many are called, but few are chosen."

We walk individually with the Lord by being in constant prayer (1 Thess 5:17).
 
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kaylagrl

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I disagree. I don't believe in church theology. I think each of us needs to walk individually with the Lord and learn directly from him. A lot of our church leaders of all denominations seem to be pursuing their own personal agendas rather than the Lord's.
You can both follow God and attend church. Yes,some pastors may pursue their own agenda,thats why you become a member and vote them out,if need be. Or attend another church. A lot of great churches out there doing the work of the Lord,Ive visited many.
 

Jackson123

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I was raised a Catholic but no longer attend mass. I have never met a Catholic who believes that the pope is infallible. Even the pope doesn't believe this.
but It is official doctrine
 
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You apparently do not know Romanism very well. They baptize infants to cleanse them from original sin and make them part of the church. They are able to receive the sacraments after confirmation. They teach one is granted eternal life through the sacraments which are a means of receiving grace.

They are fatally wrong in every one of their doctrines regarding soteriology.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
If one has taught it they must know it well.

I was answering one small question, not giving a thesis on baptism .

You sound very mad...
 
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Our focus should be on the Lord, and he will teach us what we need to know. Constant prayer (1 Thess 5:17). You might compare what he's taught you to the theologies you mentioned, but stick to what he taught you. Don't let someone else do your thinking for you.
Never did check my brain at the door!

But would we know about the Trinity , for instance, without theologians.?
I believe not...
 
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I was raised a Catholic but no longer attend mass. I have never met a Catholic who believes that the pope is infallible. Even the pope doesn't believe this.
Some do.
Ex cathedra only...
But not too many.
 
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You apparently do not know Romanism very well. They baptize infants to cleanse them from original sin and make them part of the church. They are able to receive the sacraments after confirmation. They teach one is granted eternal life through the sacraments which are a means of receiving grace.

They are fatally wrong in every one of their doctrines regarding soteriology.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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