catholic bible vs non catholic bible

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First off i don't intend the title to mislead like 2 boxers getting ready to square off or something. I am simply asking for anyone who may have some knowledge in this area.

I recieved a bible from my mother that she picked up for me why she was in Rome with her church. It is entitled: Christian Community Bible. Catholic Pastoral Edition. So I think, O.k. no problem i will take a peek at it and see what it's all about. I immediately found some distinctions that are very different from my bible and that it contains books in it that mine does not. I use KJV, and P e s h i t t a, the most. I found 6 books in the old testament. Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, and maccabees in this new bible that i have not heard of before. The explanation in this bible why these texts are there can be summed up by saying that they were rejected by the jews in Jamnia deeming them as Deuterocanonical or apocryphal. It goes on to say in the explanation that "if there is a disagreement about some books, what were the criteria for accepting the other books? Should we not go beyond that and admit there is no certainty for any book, but only a common opinion?"

I also wandered this. The old testament ends with the book of psalms in this new bible but my other one ends with malachi. I don't know if arrangement is so much a dispute as is the content. I am really truly curious about this and i would really value input from those with more knowledge in this arena than myself.
 
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Throw the catholic bible in the trash. Stay away from catholicism at all costs. Just one of many things they do, such as add books to the Bible, that shouldn't be done. The real Bible has 66 books. Stick with that one. : )
 
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The Catholic Bible bases it's Old Testament off of the Greek Septuagint, which was written in Alexandria between 300BC-100BC. It was a translation of the Hebrew scriptures into Greek, and was used by some Greek-speaking Jews. Many of the first Christians were Greek-speaking (being gentiles and all), so this was used in their Christian services.

The Septuagint includes the books of the Deuterocanon, which non-Catholics typically call the Apocrypha. The Jewish canon, which was established after the life of Christ, rejects the Septuagint. The reformers sided with the Jews in throwing out the Septuagint...I guess because, as Christians, you want the people who don't believe in your Savior to be the ones to look to for redefining the canon after the fact that Christians had been using that Old Testament for centuries.

To see where the deuterocanonical texts of the Old Testament are quoted/referenced iin the New Testament, check out this link:
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanon.html

If you want a good Catholic Bible, I suggest the Douay-Rhiems or the RSV-CE. Never heard of the version you got, so I can't say much about it. The Church in America uses the NAB at mass, though. We're free to read any Catholic version we want, but that's the official one used at liturgy.

Go ahead and read some of the books in the Catholic Bible that aren't in the Protestant Bibles. The book of Tobit is pretty interesting. If you're a good Protestant, they won't effect you. If the Holy Spirit is guarding you, why be afraid?
 
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I read the extra books of the Catholic Bible and some of the things don’t seem to line up with the rest of the Bible I wouldn't recommend it. But If you feel like reading it and know the rest of the Bible it is an interesting read.
 
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Understand that those apocryphal books only exist in greek; they do not exist in hebrew.
 
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giantone said:
I read the extra books of the Catholic Bible and some of the things don’t seem to line up with the rest of the Bible I wouldn't recommend it. But If you feel like reading it and know the rest of the Bible it is an interesting read.
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Well, you know, some books in Protestant Bibles don't seem to line up with what other books say. I think it's reasonable to suppose that each book will have teachings which are unique, but God only has to say something once for us to take it seriously.
 
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ChickenMan3122 said:
Throw the catholic bible in the trash. Stay away from catholicism at all costs. Just one of many things they do, such as add books to the Bible, that shouldn't be done. The real Bible has 66 books. Stick with that one. : )
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Actually, it was the Reformers who removed books from the Bible. We didn't add them. If we did, why then would the Eastern Orthoodox and the Oriental Orthodox have those same books? They split from the Catholics many centuries before the Reformation.
 
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if i were you, id throw it in the trash tbh.

I belive there is alot of flaws in the catholic faith/religion

that does not go with what was really teached in the 66 books of the bible - eg - purgotory, praying to mary etc etc

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easygoing, Catholicism is poison....Sadly, It has and will continue to destroy millions, if not, billions of souls to hellfire for eternity! I have never met one true Catholic who knows the gospel...
 
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easygoing, Catholicism is poison....Sadly, It has and will continue to destroy millions, if not, billions of souls to hellfire for eternity! I have never met one true Catholic who knows the gospel...
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Either you haven't met a true Catholic, or maybe you just differ on your respective articulation of the gospel? I know from having studied this that while Evangs and Catholics do disagree on some important doctrine, the misunderstandings are far more numerous.
 
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ChickenMan3122 said:
Throw the catholic bible in the trash.
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Kathleen said:
if i were you, id throw it in the trash
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First, why is everyone so quick to bin books? Even if you don't believe they're inspired, they're still important and interesting in their own right.

Second, since when does a Scot refer to rubbish as 'trash'?
 
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*wonders if he should mention that the Eastern Orthodox have even more books in their Bibles than the Roman Catholics, then wonders how many books the Oriental Orthodox have in their canon and proceeds to google it*

Wow, did you guys know that some Ethiopian Orthodox bibles have 81 books? I need to get ahold of one! They include the letter of Clement supposedly! And the Shepherd of Hermas!
 
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Kathleen said:
if i were you, id throw it in the trash tbh.

I belive there is alot of flaws in the catholic faith/religion

that does not go with what was really teached in the 66 books of the bible - eg - purgotory, praying to mary etc etc

... :D ...
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Odd, I found both of those beliefs to have both historical and scriptural support. In fact, it's why I became Catholic after being raised Protestant. :D
 
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suaso

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Would it be doing a diservice to the books accepted by the protestants as the canon of the Bible by throwing the whole Catholic Bible into the trash?

Like, if you wrap 1000 dollars in a dirty coffee filter, do you still have the same attitude to throw it in the trash because the dirty coffee filter is garbage?

Don't throw the Catholic Bibles in the trash. Give them to Catholics who will treat them with the respect due to Sacred Scripture. Be careful what you advise people to throw away. You may disagree with the Deuterocanon, but remember, your canon is in our Catholic Bibles too: if you believe your canon is the word of God, you are telling someone to throw the word of God into the trash even if you believe it is included in a volume of which segments are not the word of God.

As far as what the canon is and is not: Where in the Bible do we find a table of contents that isn't itself a man-made tradition?
 
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easygoing

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Thank all of you for your replies on this matter and i will say that i have read through some passages in these books and am going to be sure to test scriptural writings with scripture itself and see where it lines up. I know where my faith is and it is with Jesus Christ. I have all my trust in him, every fiber of my being, and i leave it in his hands to show me the way.

About the order of the books in the bible? Is it just a non issue or what do you think.
 
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I am now curious about this. I have read the books of wisdom. They were not written by catholics. Just not removed. I honestly have enjoyed many of the wisdom books and felt that all was biblical. In fact I had often asked why we did not have some books on what or how to do some things in the word. If other religions than just the catholics still have these books then it seems to be less a catholic question and more as to why they are not still in all bible publishings?
Ill just have to pray on it.
God bless, pickles
 
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If your "Bible" does not center around reconcilliation with God through Jesus Christ, throw it out! We're all trying to get right with God, right?
 
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easygoing said:
Thank all of you for your replies on this matter and i will say that i have read through some passages in these books and am going to be sure to test scriptural writings with scripture itself and see where it lines up. I know where my faith is and it is with Jesus Christ. I have all my trust in him, every fiber of my being, and i leave it in his hands to show me the way.

About the order of the books in the bible? Is it just a non issue or what do you think.
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I don't know if it is an issue or not. I don't see why it would be, as they're all still there, but I'm sure someone will have a reason as to why they shouldn't be changed.
I do have to say, though, that I believe that is just the version of the Bible you have been given (one I have never heard of) as I have multiple "Catholic" Bibles at home, and every single one of them has them in the same order as "Protestant" Bibles with the addition of the Deuterocanon in it's appropriate places, Psalm is still in the middle of the Old Testament, with Malachi finishing it off.
 
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all english translations up to the 1850's or there about had the extra books ? I have a copy of the orginal 1611 King James Bible the Apocrypha books that are in it include Esdras 1&2, Tobit, Judeth, the rest of Ester, Wisedom, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch(with the Epistle of Jeremiah, the song of the three children, the story of susanna, the idole Bel and the dragon, the prayer of Manasseh) and Maccabees 1&2, i have read them several times see nothing wrong with them. There is one place where two guys have a friend to die and one says that they are going to pray and the other askes if they think that will help and the one says well it can't hurt. there was a story about a widow mourning the death of her husband every day in a field beside a temple and a priest went out and got all over her, for mourning so long told her that every day people die without God, and she wastes her time mourning over one dead husband, there is several books mentioned in the Bible that we do not have. but if you are a catholic then by all means use the catholic but if you are a Christian then I would stay with the KJB.
 
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Thaddaeus said:
all english translations up to the 1850's or there about had the extra books ? I have a copy of the orginal 1611 King James Bible the Apocrypha books that are in it include Esdras 1&2, Tobit, Judeth, the rest of Ester, Wisedom, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch(with the Epistle of Jeremiah, the song of the three children, the story of susanna, the idole Bel and the dragon, the prayer of Manasseh) and Maccabees 1&2, i have read them several times see nothing wrong with them. There is one place where two guys have a friend to die and one says that they are going to pray and the other askes if they think that will help and the one says well it can't hurt. there was a story about a widow mourning the death of her husband every day in a field beside a temple and a priest went out and got all over her, for mourning so long told her that every day people die without God, and she wastes her time mourning over one dead husband, there is several books mentioned in the Bible that we do not have. but if you are a catholic then by all means use the catholic but if you are a Christian then I would stay with the KJB.
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? would you say those books are Gods word or not
 
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