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It is impossible to not have anything to do with Jesus and Him crucified if you are a Catholic. He's at the centre.
The Sacraments (there's 7, by the way) are essential for man's salvation, but they are only possibly and effective because of Christ.
False. Partaking of the Sacraments is important, but they are meaningless without Christ. It's not an either/or situation.
Well I can't comment on your personal experience with those who call themselves Catholic, but I think it is unwise to base your understanding of Catholicism on anecdotal incidents such as these.
When it somes down to it, a Catholic, or someone who holds to everything the Catholic Church teaches, is a Christian by definition. In other words while you may disagree with some of their teaching, it is nevertheless impossible to adhere to Catholicism without being a Christian.
I don't judge Catholics over a couple of devout, I know well that they are some die-hard Christians that i wouldn't want to follow myself. But I can judge doctrine by the Word and if anyone adds to salvation any works then it is a false gospel. Now even at that I believe that there are some catholic that believe, and have put their trust in Christ and him alone. But Jesus said I am THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIFE. there is no where in the bible where anyone has asked what must I do to be saved, and the person answering list 7 sacraments that must be done. man has done that through the Catholic church, it is not right to pray in any other name or to pray to any other person, Mary herself even as Great a woman she must have beenh, had to believe that she needed to be cleansed by the Blood of Jesus, she could not have saved herself, if she could had than Jesus lied when he said He was THE way, with any other religion that even hints as to trusting Jesus, some say he is a great teacher, a great prophet, but he is not God, if He is Not God than Is is not a great teacher a great prophet but rather a great Lair, a great blasphemer, and me or anyone else should not be following Him any where. But if He is what He says He is , than let's preach this and Praise and worship him for the God that He Is, the Christ that He is ( quit trying to steal the glory He deserves By saving we helped him to save us) if He is the Almighty as He said He was then Let's let Him be the Almighty of our live.
Re 22:13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Re 1:8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Re 1:17And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:Re 1:18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
so when did the ALmighty , the first and the last die???and was dead; the Almighty Died when He hung on the cross for my sins. and for the sins of the World.. and if we say there is anything can can do to add to this salvation given By Grace Of God then we put the works He did on the Cross to vain.
1co 1:17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the CROSS of Christ should be made of none effect.
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But it's debatable whether or not a) you are interpreting the Bible correctly, and more relevantly b) if the Bible alone is to be our authority.
Or if anyone reduces salvation to exclude works entirely it's a false gospel. Certainly, at some stage in salvation there is a part that man must play even if you believe that that is simply putting your trust in Christ. The real question, I think, is if man can somehow be saved apart from God's grace. The Catholic answer, with which I'm sure you'll agree, is a resounding 'no'.
See first answer. Of course Christ is the only way to be saved, but we must also follow Him.
Yes, of course she was.
Correct, and Catholicism has no argument with you over this.
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
The "this" in "this rock" alludes to Peter's name.
It is correct that Jesus is saying Peter is the rock upon which he will build his church. Jesus is saying , in the words of Albert Barnes (protestant theologian) “Thou art a rock. Thou hast shown thyself firm, and suitable for the work of laying the foundation of the church. Upon thee will I build it. Thou shalt be highly honored; thou shalt be first in making known the gospel to both Jews and Gentiles.”
That Peter is or is not the rock is not the argument with Catholicsm. The point where Catholicism gets it wrong, is attributing it to the person of Peter alone, too much, and also not considering that it was the 12 apostles who were foundational not just Peter (Rev 21:14), and that all 12 apostles were granted the authority and keys, not just Peter (John 20:23, Mat 18:18). Although Peter was a chief apostle, Christ did not purpose, to exalt Peter above the others, as Catholics suppose, and there's many passages of scripture which show the equality of every apostle. In fact it is God's very humble nature not to intend to have one person exalted over the other as "the world" does, as we see today in the papal system in the Roman Catholic heirarchy.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
The "this" in "this rock" alludes to Peter's name.
It is correct that Jesus is saying Peter is the rock upon which he will build his church. Jesus is saying , in the words of Albert Barnes (protestant theologian) “Thou art a rock. Thou hast shown thyself firm, and suitable for the work of laying the foundation of the church. Upon thee will I build it. Thou shalt be highly honored; thou shalt be first in making known the gospel to both Jews and Gentiles.”
That Peter is or is not the rock is not the argument with Catholicsm. The point where Catholicism gets it wrong, is attributing it to the person of Peter alone, too much, and also not considering that it was the 12 apostles who were foundational not just Peter (Rev 21:14), and that all 12 apostles were granted the authority and keys, not just Peter (John 20:23, Mat 18:18). Although Peter was a chief apostle, Christ did not purpose, to exalt Peter above the others, as Catholics suppose, and there's many passages of scripture which show the equality of every apostle. In fact it is God's very humble nature not to intend to have one person exalted over the other as "the world" does, as we see today in the papal system in the Roman Catholic heirarchy.
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No, I didn't say that the Catholics said that...I was commenting on your quote that if she was Catholic than she could use the Catholic bible...but if she was Christian she should stick with the KJV. By your words you were implying that Catholic is not a Christian.
And I have never heard anyone say that the word Christian stands for the devil...although to be honest I am having trouble following your posts. There seem to be words missing within your sentence or something.
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There are three different attitudes toward translations: word-for-word, dynamic equivilent, and paraphrase. There are no translations that are perfectly one or the other. If you get to far into word-for-word, you have problems with understanding. If you get to far into dynamic equivilent, you can influence the translation by your own beliefs. If you get to far into paraphrasing, important truths can be left out. So, what do you want from your translations? You should think about it if you are serious about Bible study. Word-for-words include the KJV, ESB, NASB. Dynamic equivilents include the NIV and the NKJB. Paraphrases include the Living, Good News. I have a problem with a translation being "Catholic" as much as I would a Presbyterian Bible. Can a Bible be sponsered by a particular denomination (in the old sense of the word) and not be influenced by their distinctives?
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I am loving this. Our Creator is awesome.. WE are all limited in are knowledge off what it is to be or live in the Spirit, all different opinions, as we all are children of God "and have given ourselves" over To Christ.
the quarrels over the authority of the Apocrypha are now largely matters of the past.
A generation that has witnessed the discovery of the Dead Sea Scroll's will probably agree with the statement by Professor Frank C. Porter, in Hastings’ Dictionary of the Bible(1901) "that modern historical interest, on the other hand, is putting the Apocrypha in their true place as significant documents of a most important era in Religious History
the quarrels over the authority of the Apocrypha are now largely matters of the past.
A generation that has witnessed the discovery of the Dead Sea Scroll's will probably agree with the statement by Professor Frank C. Porter, in Hastings’ Dictionary of the Bible(1901) "that modern historical interest, on the other hand, is putting the Apocrypha in their true place as significant documents of a most important era in Religious History
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