Catholic Church Is Not Of God

[Benjamin777]

[quote=process_architect;492264]How dare Catholics call themselves "Christian"! A better term would be "Maryians" or "Popians".

Catholics/Satan's deceived, answer me this:
You call the pope "Father" when Christ himself said "call no man father but me" - Matt 23:9? Why?
You pray to Mary and confess sins to the pope for forgiveness when Christ said "no man comes to the Father but through me" - John 14:6? Why?

Let's look at this through the eyes of Satan for a second. You are the angel of light and the ultimate deceiver. You can take things that seem so innocent and make them so bad. So if you hated God what would be the best way to spite him? To take His words and twist them to make them seem so good, when in reality they are so far from the truth.

Open your eyes.

Friends, Open your hearts to God! Amen.
So, Protestants call themselves Lutherans, Calvinists, Wesleyans, Arminians, showing they follow men. Catholics also follow one man, the pope of Rome. No single individual has in Eastern Orthodoxy the place the Reformers have in Protestantism, and the Roman popes have in Catholicism. Orthodoxy is in the 7 Councils of the Church, the Scriptures, the Holy Traditions of the Apostolic, Apostolic Succession of Bishops, the Patriarchs of Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, Moscow, and the other Orthodox Patriarchs. No Patriarch is regarded as infallible or a vicar of Jesus Christ. Only the Holy Spirit has the infallible role and Presence in the One Holy Orthodox Catholic Church.
The Apostolic Church. No Orthodox Christian views himself/herself, as "the way, the truth, and the life." The popes of Rome, some of them, called themselves, "the way, the truth and the life." The Protestants as Reformers also view themselves as keepers of "the way, the truth, and the life", and you must believe in their Reformation "solas" in order to be "saved", or to be "true Christians". According to Martin Luther alone, the doctrine (Protestant doctrine/"Lutheran" (sic) doctrine of "justification by faith alone" is the doctrine upon which "the church" (that is, Martin Luther himself as the church), "stands or falls." Go figure. So much emphasis upon just one man: the pope of Rome, Luther, Calvin, Wesley, Arminius, etc. Go figure. In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington
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First, we call the Pope, Holy Father because he is like a father, presiding over the children of God. Why did you call your dad father? That would be blasphemous, right? We do not follow the pope, we follow Jesus. The Pope is just a leader, like the President.
We do not pray to Mary, that is wrong, we pray through her. Thats why we always ask for "Mary's *intercession*. So she can lift up our prayers to heaven, and make them more beautiful. We confess our sins to a priest because he is representative of God.
"Since he would not always be with the Church visibly, Christ gave this power to other men so the Church, which is the continuation of his presence throughout time (Matt. 28:20), would be able to offer forgiveness to future generations. He gave his power to the apostles, and it was a power that could be passed on to their successors and agents, since the apostles wouldn’t always be on earth either, but people would still be sinning.

God had sent Jesus to forgive sins, but after his resurrection Jesus told the apostles, "‘As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained’" (John 20:21–23). (This is one of only two times we are told that God breathed on man, the other being in Genesis 2:7, when he made man a living soul. It emphasizes how important the establishment of the sacrament of penance was.)"
That is a quote taken from Catholic.com. If you disagree, ask them.

 

[SantoSubito]

The catholics can attack me all they want after seeing this and they can do even much more. But everything i write here today is TRUE!.. I believe that the Catholic Church is evil. As a matter of fact is Idolatory..

Do not follow their doctrine

That you should pray with the image of Jesus or Mary. As this will be equal to making grave images which God has already warned us against ( Exodus 20:4-5)

God ordered many images to be built in the Temple, and he had the ark adorned with golden Cherubim. So obviously God is not opposed to religious images. What he is opposed to is Idols of false gods, but seeing as we do not teach, and nor have we ever taught, that the Saints are Gods then there is no problem.

That you should call on Mary and the dead saints to intercede on your behalf in prayer. It is Jesus and the Holy Spirit who intercedes on our behalf (Hebrews 7:25, Romans 6:26)....

The Saints can pray for us just like those on Earth. If we take your strict literal interpretation as correct then even asking your friends to pray for you is wrong, since you are having someone intercede that is neither the Son nor the Spirit. When people die they are not suddenly not part of the body of Christ anymore.

Moreover the chain of the cross of Jesus Christ you keep carrying around will not Protect you.. Jesus Christ is no longer dead, He is alive and on the right side of his father, Now in a glorified form (Act 7:55-56).

So I'm assuming this is a jab at the Crucifix? How can a reminder of the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross be bad in anyway?

The ridiculous prayer where they say *Holy Mary, full of grace*.. Wait A Min, Mary was never Holy!.Mary was a human being who was born, as all humans are, with a sin nature and who recognized that she needed a Savior. In fact, the very passage used in the Hail Mary, known as Mary’s Magnificat (Luke 1:46-55), contains the declaration “my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,” a clear indication that she understood her need for a Savior from sin. The Bible never says that Mary was anyone but an ordinary human whom God chose to use in an extraordinary way. Yes, Mary was a righteous woman and favored (graced) by God (Luke 1:27-28). At the same time, Mary was a sinful human being who needed Jesus Christ as her Savior, just like everyone else (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 6:23; 1 John 1:8).

By the way the prayer is "Hail Mary, full of grace..". Nor do we deny that Mary needed a saviour, we simply assert that she is saved in a different way then you do. That being said Mary most certainly was holy, holiness is not an unachievable feat.

*Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners*, What?, did i just hear you say Mother of God??.. Mary was the human mother of the human Jesus Christ, who was indeed God incarnate. But she was not the mother of God, neither is she the ”queen of heaven,” another title given to her by the Catholic Church which has no basis in Scripture. God doesn’t have a mother, nor does He have a queen. He is an eternal, infinite Being, uncreated and unborn, self-sufficient and self-sustaining.

Question: is Jesus God? Yes? Did Mary give birth to Jesus? Yes? then by definition Mary is the Mother of God. In the Davidinic court the queen was the mother of the king, not his wife. Jesus is the King above all kings and the King of Heaven in the Davidinic line, therefore Mary as his Mother is the Queen of Heaven

Stay away from any doctrine that will lead you to HELL!... You were warned, don't say you weren't

May God illumine your soul my friend.

 

[catholic123]

Having faith in Christ - a personal relationship with him through prayer - you just cannot go wrong! You cannot have faith in Christ as well as faith in the traditions and works of the Catholic church - it's one or the other! He wants you to have faith in him and not in man or worldly things.

I choose God!!!!!!!!!!!

The Church is the body of Christ. Those in the Catholic Church have faith in Jesus Christ, and Him alone. We simply have faith in what He taught, because as he said, His word is Himself. And He established the Church. So we have our faith only in Jesus, but Jesus is His words and teaching and the Church is His body to us on earth.

 

[catholic123]

God ordered many images to be built in the Temple, and he had the ark adorned with golden Cherubim. So obviously God is not opposed to religious images. What he is opposed to is Idols of false gods, but seeing as we do not teach, and nor have we ever taught, that the Saints are Gods then there is no problem.



The Saints can pray for us just like those on Earth. If we take your strict literal interpretation as correct then even asking your friends to pray for you is wrong, since you are having someone intercede that is neither the Son nor the Spirit. When people die they are not suddenly not part of the body of Christ anymore.



So I'm assuming this is a jab at the Crucifix? How can a reminder of the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross be bad in anyway?



By the way the prayer is "Hail Mary, full of grace..". Nor do we deny that Mary needed a saviour, we simply assert that she is saved in a different way then you do. That being said Mary most certainly was holy, holiness is not an unachievable feat.



Question: is Jesus God? Yes? Did Mary give birth to Jesus? Yes? then by definition Mary is the Mother of God. In the Davidinic court the queen was the mother of the king, not his wife. Jesus is the King above all kings and the King of Heaven in the Davidinic line, therefore Mary as his Mother is the Queen of Heaven




May God illumine your soul my friend.

Amen man. I would totally agree with you.

 

[SantoSubito]

I attended a Catholic School, so at least i should know what you call Mary when you pray the Angelus or whatever it is called!..

Now does your thread change the fact that the practices of the Catholic are NOT just ACCEPTABLE!

Apparently you didn't attend a very good Catholic secondary school, since your post was filled with the arguments that protestants have been throwing at us since the reformation. Not only that but you got the words of the "Hail Mary" wrong which is a prayer every Catholic knows by age 4, and you confuse the "Hail Mary" with the Angelus.

By the way Cleante is Eastern Orthodox, not Catholic.

 

[catholic123]

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Friends, Open your hearts to God! Amen.
So, Protestants call themselves Lutherans, Calvinists, Wesleyans, Arminians, showing they follow men. Catholics also follow one man, the pope of Rome. No single individual has in Eastern Orthodoxy the place the Reformers have in Protestantism, and the Roman popes have in Catholicism. Orthodoxy is in the 7 Councils of the Church, the Scriptures, the Holy Traditions of the Apostolic, Apostolic Succession of Bishops, the Patriarchs of Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, Moscow, and the other Orthodox Patriarchs. No Patriarch is regarded as infallible or a vicar of Jesus Christ. Only the Holy Spirit has the infallible role and Presence in the One Holy Orthodox Catholic Church.
The Apostolic Church. No Orthodox Christian views himself/herself, as "the way, the truth, and the life." The popes of Rome, some of them, called themselves, "the way, the truth and the life." The Protestants as Reformers also view themselves as keepers of "the way, the truth, and the life", and you must believe in their Reformation "solas" in order to be "saved", or to be "true Christians". According to Martin Luther alone, the doctrine (Protestant doctrine/"Lutheran" (sic) doctrine of "justification by faith alone" is the doctrine upon which "the church" (that is, Martin Luther himself as the church), "stands or falls." Go figure. So much emphasis upon just one man: the pope of Rome, Luther, Calvin, Wesley, Arminius, etc. Go figure. In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington

First, we call the Pope, Holy Father because he is like a father, presiding over the children of God. Why did you call your dad father? That would be blasphemous, right? We do not follow the pope, we follow Jesus. The Pope is just a leader, like the President.
We do not pray to Mary, that is wrong, we pray through her. Thats why we always ask for "Mary's *intercession*. So she can lift up our prayers to heaven, and make them more beautiful. We confess our sins to a priest because he is representative of God.
"Since he would not always be with the Church visibly, Christ gave this power to other men so the Church, which is the continuation of his presence throughout time (Matt. 28:20), would be able to offer forgiveness to future generations. He gave his power to the apostles, and it was a power that could be passed on to their successors and agents, since the apostles wouldn’t always be on earth either, but people would still be sinning.

God had sent Jesus to forgive sins, but after his resurrection Jesus told the apostles, "‘As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained’" (John 20:21–23). (This is one of only two times we are told that God breathed on man, the other being in Genesis 2:7, when he made man a living soul. It emphasizes how important the establishment of the sacrament of penance was.)"
That is a quote taken from Catholic.com. If you disagree, ask them.[/QUOTE]

Also, to go off the Pope thing a little bit, let us look at the old testament. We can clearly see that God had a representative for himself on earth, someone to shepherd His people. Moses, Joshua, David, etc. God never left them without a shepherd, so why, after He rose and went to heaven, would he leave us without a shepherd. He didn't, he gave us the pope to be our shepherd.

 

[Tobby17]

The greeting is "hail mary" not "holy mary" hail means "hello".

the greeting is biblical, said by elisabeth John's mother who was filled with the Holy Spiirit:

Luke 1: 41-43

41 and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit;

42 and she lifted up her voice with a loud cry, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come unto me?

But it's *Holy Mary* mother of God pray for us sinners now..... right?

 

[Scotth1960]

First, we call the Pope, Holy Father because he is like a father, presiding over the children of God. Why did you call your dad father? That would be blasphemous, right? We do not follow the pope, we follow Jesus. The Pope is just a leader, like the President.
We do not pray to Mary, that is wrong, we pray through her. Thats why we always ask for "Mary's *intercession*. So she can lift up our prayers to heaven, and make them more beautiful. We confess our sins to a priest because he is representative of God.
"Since he would not always be with the Church visibly, Christ gave this power to other men so the Church, which is the continuation of his presence throughout time (Matt. 28:20), would be able to offer forgiveness to future generations. He gave his power to the apostles, and it was a power that could be passed on to their successors and agents, since the apostles wouldn’t always be on earth either, but people would still be sinning.

God had sent Jesus to forgive sins, but after his resurrection Jesus told the apostles, "‘As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained’" (John 20:21–23). (This is one of only two times we are told that God breathed on man, the other being in Genesis 2:7, when he made man a living soul. It emphasizes how important the establishment of the sacrament of penance was.)"
That is a quote taken from Catholic.com. If you disagree, ask them.

Also, to go off the Pope thing a little bit, let us look at the old testament. We can clearly see that God had a representative for himself on earth, someone to shepherd His people. Moses, Joshua, David, etc. God never left them without a shepherd, so why, after He rose and went to heaven, would he leave us without a shepherd. He didn't, he gave us the pope to be our shepherd.[/quote]
Friends, No one on earth except the Holy Spirit Himself, God, is the "vicar of Christ" on earth. There is no visible "Head" (human head), of God's Catholic Church. The real Catholic Church, the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, which is the Orthodox Church (proved by the Orthodox Church's faithful adherence to John 15:26, and showing papal Rome to be in heresy and schism from Christ by saying "AND THE SON" (FILIOQUE) by "papal authority instead of the words of Christ), the real Catholic Church of Christ is the Eastern Orthodox Church. Only the Orthodox Faith is infallible; no Orthodox Christian, or any Christian in any Christian tradition, is infallible, and incapable of teaching heresies or committing sins. Only the Holy Spirit is the vicar of Christ; the idea that the Pope of Rome is Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is the Pope of Rome, is the heresy that is Roman Catholicism. The Pope of Rome said of himself, "I am the way the truth and the life".
The Pope of Rome said of himself, "I am God on the earth." The pope of Rome said of himself, "Does the pope of Rome speak? It is God Himself Who speaks." These are the blasphemies of the popes of Rome since Vatican I in 1870 in Rome, Italy.
God save us all from Roman Catholicism, and from every form of Protestantism. Amen.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[NoahsMom]

Physician .......heal thyself. BOOM.

 

[Tobby17]

Physician .......heal thyself. BOOM.

You failed to see my reply to that Post .. By the way dat is forgotten, we are friends now

Try something else

 

[SantoSubito]

But it's *Holy Mary* mother of God pray for us sinners now..... right?

Thats what it is at the end of the Hail Mary, but you said it was "Holy Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now, and at the hour of our death." When it's actually:

"Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now, and at the hour of our death.". Or my preferred way of praying the Hail Mary:

"Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc, et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen."

 

[NoahsMom]

Calm yer farm Tobby. it struck me funny, fester does have a way of doin that. Its all good, I get what your sayin kid, just remember, when you point your finger at something you usually got three pointing right back at ya. Choose your battles well.

 

[Tobby17]

Thats what it is at the end of the Hail Mary, but you said it was "Holy Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now, and at the hour of our death." When it's actually:

"Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now, and at the hour of our death.". Or my preferred way of praying the Hail Mary:

"Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc, et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen."

Either ways, Mary was NOT HOLY

 

[duewell]

you end your post warning people about following false doctrines that lead to hell. that sounds serious and i do not want to go to hell. which bible do i read? which one is right? who is teaching the true messages of Christ? if i chose the wrong bible or church, i then go to hell ? how can i make a decision that monumental about my salvation and be assured i am in the right one. can any one tell me with 100% agreement which is the right teachings ? how can i trust other peoples understanding of the bible when they are by their own admission sinners ?

the bible wasn't formed until 381 ad. this is about what 350 or so years after Christ. how did people get saved by Christ before the bible? most people couldn't read and the bible was not available. their salvation was based upon what then? explain to me as you would an unlettered peasant roman from 150 ad what i must do to follow Christ. tell me where we will meet to talk about your teachings, will there be a way to recognize it? will you learn to speak my language to explain it to me.

i do not see how watching a group of people argue the others are damned, will in anyway lead me or anyone else to faith in Christ. so lets keep it simple.

repent of your sins to God, ask Jesus his son for help, follow the Holy Spirit. be baptized and take communion. believe in Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour.

Duewell
this isn't about teaching others to understand our faith. its teaching others about Christ so they can understand and have faith, in HIM.

 

[catholic123]

you end your post warning people about following false doctrines that lead to hell. that sounds serious and i do not want to go to hell. which bible do i read? which one is right? who is teaching the true messages of Christ? if i chose the wrong bible or church, i then go to hell ? how can i make a decision that monumental about my salvation and be assured i am in the right one. can any one tell me with 100% agreement which is the right teachings ? how can i trust other peoples understanding of the bible when they are by their own admission sinners ?

the bible wasn't formed until 381 ad. this is about what 350 or so years after Christ. how did people get saved by Christ before the bible? most people couldn't read and the bible was not available. their salvation was based upon what then? explain to me as you would an unlettered peasant roman from 150 ad what i must do to follow Christ. tell me where we will meet to talk about your teachings, will there be a way to recognize it? will you learn to speak my language to explain it to me.

i do not see how watching a group of people argue the others are damned, will in anyway lead me or anyone else to faith in Christ. so lets keep it simple.

repent of your sins to God, ask Jesus his son for help, follow the Holy Spirit. be baptized and take communion. believe in Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour.

Duewell
this isn't about teaching others to understand our faith. its teaching others about Christ so they can understand and have faith, in HIM.

How were people saved if the bible was not officially in public print until the 381. Well, according to Protestantism, and sola scriptora (scripture alone) they couldn't be. If it was only in the written bible that salvation is found, then how did these people follow Christ. They died for Christ in the thousands, without the bible even in print. We can see there is more than scripture, this is where Sacred Tradition comes it. Not human tradition, which Jesus condemned, but the spoken words of Jesus and his apostles. For 300 years, the sacred tradition which protestants call blasphemy was enough for thousands to pay the ultimate price, to show there love of God is the most perfect form. This truly shows how much scripture is in the mass. The mass was for over 300 years, the only way people got scripture. It hasn't changed in its format. You could get almost the whole bible every 3 years in the Catholic Mass. In the tradition, along with the bible, can we find true faith in Jesus.

 

[Scotth1960]

The catholics can attack me all they want after seeing this and they can do even much more. But everything i write here today is TRUE!.. I believe that the Catholic Church is evil. As a matter of fact is Idolatory..

Do not follow their doctrine

That you should pray with the image of Jesus or Mary. As this will be equal to making grave images which God has already warned us against ( Exodus 20:4-5)

That you should call on Mary and the dead saints to intercede on your behalf in prayer. It is Jesus and the Holy Spirit who intercedes on our behalf (Hebrews 7:25, Romans 6:26)....

Moreover the chain of the cross of Jesus Christ you keep carrying around will not Protect you.. Jesus Christ is no longer dead, He is alive and on the right side of his father, Now in a glorified form (Act 7:55-56).

The ridiculous prayer where they say *Holy Mary, full of grace*.. Wait A Min, Mary was never Holy!.Mary was a human being who was born, as all humans are, with a sin nature and who recognized that she needed a Savior. In fact, the very passage used in the Hail Mary, known as Mary’s Magnificat (Luke 1:46-55), contains the declaration “my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,” a clear indication that she understood her need for a Savior from sin. The Bible never says that Mary was anyone but an ordinary human whom God chose to use in an extraordinary way. Yes, Mary was a righteous woman and favored (graced) by God (Luke 1:27-28). At the same time, Mary was a sinful human being who needed Jesus Christ as her Savior, just like everyone else (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 6:23; 1 John 1:8).

*Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners*, What?, did i just hear you say Mother of God??.. Mary was the human mother of the human Jesus Christ, who was indeed God incarnate. But she was not the mother of God, neither is she the ”queen of heaven,” another title given to her by the Catholic Church which has no basis in Scripture. God doesn’t have a mother, nor does He have a queen. He is an eternal, infinite Being, uncreated and unborn, self-sufficient and self-sustaining.

Stay away from any doctrine that will lead you to HELL!... You were warned, don't say you weren't

Dear Tobby17,
Roman Catholics aren't the only Christians who err!
Protestants make idols out of

Scripture alone
Faith alone
(justification by faith alone)
They make a whole religion out of "two sacraments only".
They make a whole religion out of "private interpretation" of the "Bible alone", as every man/woman/child has a "right" (sic) to read the Bible "for himself" (herself, themselves,etc.), in DEFIANCE OF SCRIPTURE,
which teaches "NO PROPHECY OF SCRIPTURE IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION". Protestant DO NOT BELIEVE THIS VERSE. They believe THE WHOLE BIBLE, FROM GENESIS THROUGH REVELATION, IS A MATTER OF PRIVATE, PERSONAL, PROTESTANT ONLY, INTERPRETATIONS. MANY CONFLICTING DIFFERENT PRIVATE INTERPRETATIONS. DENOMINATIONS, SECTS, EVEN CULTS, OF MEN.
GO FIGURE.
God save us all from idolatry, sin, immorality, heresy, pride, and schism.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[dscherck]

 

[process_architect]

I think it's safe to say that most Protestants, Baptists, Calvinists, etc. believe that Catholics in general do not go to heaven.

Do most Catholics believe Protestants, Baptists, Calvinists, etc. go to heaven?

 

[schoolofyoungprophet]

Just wondering if this thread was to attack catholics with a bitter heart or to correct em in spirit of God..
cuz man we can say everything right like a parrot and have no breath or real meaning to it in eternal sence ..
we can havea correct cream n a wrong spirit. lyk saul he was head and shoulders above all but God had his eyes on a rudy boi called david.
i know some catholics in australia and in indai its way different than u see in states and in europe,

 

[jonathanbchristian]

I think on a possitive note, at least Catholics believe that the Saints are still alive! I have alot of respect for Mother Mary and the Saints. I don't believe the Bible teaches they hear everyone's prayer. But I think you could even believe in meeting Saints. It's not unBiblical to think you could meet one of the dead Saints. I don't believe that Saints can interceed for everyone who prays. But I do believe they are still alive in Christ.
Catholics seem to be open to visions of Saints and of God. I don't see why they don't read the Bible and let the Holy Spirit interceed for them. (With groanings that can't be understood by men). But I do like the openness of some Catholics.