Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[Jackson123]

You buy into unsubstantiated articles that lack evidence and facts and promote conspiracy theories. Don't bother to reply, I'm not responding to you anymore.

So you consider the statement of your own Pope is lie.


And this is the fruit, the fruit is evident what kind of tree :

And this is mainstream media/washington post.

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By Sukhdev Chhatbar
Associated Press
Thursday, December 14, 2006
NAIROBI, Dec. 13 -- A Catholic priest was convicted Wednesday of taking part in Rwanda's 1994 genocide by ordering militiamen to set fire to a church and then bulldoze it while 2,000 people seeking safety were huddled inside.
The Rev. Athanase Seromba was sentenced by the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda to 15 years in prison but will get credit for four years already served. The tribunal is based in Arusha, Tanzania.
Seromba was charged with directing a militia that "attacked with traditional arms and poured fuel through the roof of the church, while gendarmes and communal police launched grenades and killed the refugees."




And if you want another mainstream, This is from US congress Journal. If it not true then let Vatican sue US Congress.



[h=3]EIPS - The Jesuit Oath Exposed[/h]www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=jesuit

Ian Paisley









Go ye, then, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name of the Pope. He who will not accept him as the Vicar of Jesus and his Vice-Regent on earth, let him be accursed and exterminated."
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]Professor Arthur Noble
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][The following is the text of the Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica] as recorded in the Journals of the 62nd Congress, 3rd Session, of the United States Congressional Record (House Calendar No. 397, Report No. 1523, 15 February, 1913, pp. 3215-3216),[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica] from which it was subsequently torn out. The Oath is also quoted by Charles Didier in his book Subterranean Rome (New York, 1843), translated from the French original. Dr. Alberto Rivera, who escaped from the Jesuit Order in 1967, confirms that the induction ceremony and the text of the Jesuit Oath which he took were identical to what we have cited below. – A. N.][/FONT][/FONT]
When a Jesuit of the minor rank is to be elevated to command, he is conducted into the Chapel of the Convent of the Order, where there are only three others present, the principal or Superior standing in front of the altar. On either side stands a monk, one of whom holds a banner of yellow and white, which are the Papal colours, and the other a black banner with a dagger and red cross above a skull and crossbones, with the wordINRI, and below them the words IUSTUM NECAR REGES IMPIUS. The mean
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[ThomistColin]

To those who stand against us, who defame us, and who believe us to be heretics: Merry Christmas...the Lord be with you always, and let there be peace on earth as we lay aside these squabbles and proclaim to goodness of God, that over 2000 years ago, He came to us as a babe in swaddling clothes, and the angels sang, "Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace to people of good will."

 

[Mitspa]

To those who stand against us, who defame us, and who believe us to be heretics: Merry Christmas...the Lord be with you always, and let there be peace on earth as we lay aside these squabbles and proclaim to goodness of God, that over 2000 years ago, He came to us as a babe in swaddling clothes, and the angels sang, "Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace to people of good will."

Yes may Christ alone be glorified and may we each hold fast our faith and confession in Him.

 

[Fubario]

I want to talk a little bit of Catholicism before as I used to be Catholic. There is a great deal of emphasis on papal doctrines as opposed to the Spirit, and my exhortation then would be to practicing Catholics is to adhere to Scripture and make the lucid attempts to get close to God through the Holy Spirit as opposed to a priest figure. If this is not possible, we have a grave problem.

 

[Jackson123]

To those who stand against us, who defame us, and who believe us to be heretics: Merry Christmas...the Lord be with you always, and let there be peace on earth as we lay aside these squabbles and proclaim to goodness of God, that over 2000 years ago, He came to us as a babe in swaddling clothes, and the angels sang, "Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace to people of good will."

Merry Christmas brother Thomist and all brother and sister. Hope The Lord give us better understanding of who He really is.

 

[notuptome]

To those who stand against us, who defame us, and who believe us to be heretics: Merry Christmas...the Lord be with you always, and let there be peace on earth as we lay aside these squabbles and proclaim to goodness of God, that over 2000 years ago, He came to us as a babe in swaddling clothes, and the angels sang, "Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace to people of good will."

Try as I might what am I to make of what you say preceding the colon in your post? As a Christian protestant I do not stand against you nor do I defame you. If you adhere to heretical doctrine what can I do? I must stand for the truth of Gods word. My only desire for you and all the others blinded by Romanism is that you might come to the simple pure saving knowledge of Christ by grace through biblical faith. Religion is not faith.

God sent His Son knowing He would be rejected by Israel. God's Son came knowing He would be subjected to the worst death man could inflict upon Him. He submitted willingly that He might redeem those who believe on His name.

May God grant you the integrity to look at the scriptures apart from the dogmas of Rome. May God demonstrate to you the immense grace that has been provided that you might have your sins forgiven and be an inheritor of eternal life by grace and wholly apart from works of religious systems.

Until and unless you set aside all the prejudices and biases that man has instilled in you and deal with God as He is you are going to struggle and never reach the simple truth of why Christ came and Who Christ is. All of heaven rejoiced at His birth and all of heaven will rejoice when He presents His bride the blood bought saints of God from every kindred, tribe and tongue.

Glory to God for today a Savior is born in the city of David whose name is Christ the Lord.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ThomistColin]

Until and unless you set aside all the prejudices and biases that man has instilled in you and deal with God as He is you are going to struggle and never reach the simple truth of why Christ came and Who Christ is. All of heaven rejoiced at His birth and all of heaven will rejoice when He presents His bride the blood bought saints of God from every kindred, tribe and tongue.

Glory to God for today a Savior is born in the city of David whose name is Christ the Lord.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

How is it you keep forgetting that I left the Protest? I wasn't raised Catholic. In my immediate family there are no Catholics, in fact the closest relative that is Catholic is a second cousin. That's it. So, I searched the Scriptures and found Christ within Catholicism.

 

[Mitspa]

How is it you keep forgetting that I left the Protest? I wasn't raised Catholic. In my immediate family there are no Catholics, in fact the closest relative that is Catholic is a second cousin. That's it. So, I searched the Scriptures and found Christ within Catholicism.

Really what truth in scripture caused you to see that catholcism was the true way? And did you have a understanding of there history and some of the issue that have been raised on this thread? I heard one fellow say they had such nice churches that was why he decided to be catholic...

 

[notuptome]

How is it you keep forgetting that I left the Protest? I wasn't raised Catholic. In my immediate family there are no Catholics, in fact the closest relative that is Catholic is a second cousin. That's it. So, I searched the Scriptures and found Christ within Catholicism.

What again shall I say? Romans 1 says that when they knew God they glorified Him not but changed God into an image they liked better. You found religion but I do not think you found Christ as He is not in Catholicism. There are simply too many open and obvious doctrinal errors in Romanism to accept it as Christian in anything but name. Even in this they are Catholic first and Christian as an after thought. I have knocked on a lot of doors and I do not recall anyone who was part of the Roman Catholic church ever addressing themselves as anything but Catholic. When pressed they will say oh yeah we're Christian but they see themselves as the Roman Catholic church before Christ ever enters into their thoughts.

Scripture says that they went out from us because they were not of us. Have you found comfort in liturgy over the doctrines of scripture? Are you seeking a personal relationship with Christ? Or are you concealing yourself from Christ with liturgy?

In any case I will not hate Catholics but their doctrine is not biblical and I cannot accept it for that reason. Jesus did say that He would cause division because not all would accept His doctrine, the doctrine of the Father.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ThomistColin]

Really what truth in scripture caused you to see that catholcism was the true way? And did you have a understanding of there history and some of the issue that have been raised on this thread? I heard one fellow say they had such nice churches that was why he decided to be catholic...

The Bread of Life Discourse, the High Priestly Prayer, Paul's exposition on the Eucharist, Revelation 12, Matthew 16, John 20, the Epistle of James, and much more. All of these verses began to speak of a closer relationship with Christ, not through my doing, but through His. Truthfully, I found the Sacraments, the veneration of Saints and relics, and Apostolic succession in Scripture. That's when my search for the Church with those beliefs began. Then in Scripture comes a papacy, an infallible ecumenical council in the Book of Acts.

 

[Jackson123]

The Bread of Life Discourse, the High Priestly Prayer, Paul's exposition on the Eucharist, Revelation 12, Matthew 16, John 20, the Epistle of James, and much more. All of these verses began to speak of a closer relationship with Christ, not through my doing, but through His. Truthfully, I found the Sacraments, the veneration of Saints and relics, and Apostolic succession in Scripture. That's when my search for the Church with those beliefs began. Then in Scripture comes a papacy, an infallible ecumenical council in the Book of Acts.

Can you explain what to you mean by apostolic succession?

 

[Mitspa]

The Bread of Life Discourse, the High Priestly Prayer, Paul's exposition on the Eucharist, Revelation 12, Matthew 16, John 20, the Epistle of James, and much more. All of these verses began to speak of a closer relationship with Christ, not through my doing, but through His. Truthfully, I found the Sacraments, the veneration of Saints and relics, and Apostolic succession in Scripture. That's when my search for the Church with those beliefs began. Then in Scripture comes a papacy, an infallible ecumenical council in the Book of Acts.

I don't want to offend you but I don't think anyone could read the bible and then look at catholic doctrine and more importantly the fruit of their group and conclude that its the true church of Jesus Christ. I would ask if someone helped you see these things you believe you see? Was there some person or group that influenced you as you searched these things out?

 

[notuptome]

The Bread of Life Discourse, the High Priestly Prayer, Paul's exposition on the Eucharist, Revelation 12, Matthew 16, John 20, the Epistle of James, and much more. All of these verses began to speak of a closer relationship with Christ, not through my doing, but through His. Truthfully, I found the Sacraments, the veneration of Saints and relics, and Apostolic succession in Scripture. That's when my search for the Church with those beliefs began. Then in Scripture comes a papacy, an infallible ecumenical council in the Book of Acts.

To reach those conclusions you must read into the scripture what you want not read out of the scripture what God has said.

I mean really an infallible ecumenical council? A papacy? Oh my!

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Jeff_56]

I don't want to offend you but I don't think anyone could read the bible and then look at catholic doctrine and more importantly the fruit of their group and conclude that its the true church of Jesus Christ. I would ask if someone helped you see these things you believe you see? Was there some person or group that influenced you as you searched these things out?

martin luther and charles chiniquoy were once so-called 'respected' so-called 'priests' (not of God, but of the abomination they were in)
and "came out of her (the mother of harlots)" and the harlot then tried to kill them, then to discredit them,
but the harlot failed,
and many came to a true faith in Jesus, and many were set free from the harlot as they had been.

if there's any doubt about the so-called doctrines of the rcc, read (even a part of) "Fifty Years in the Church of Rome" ,
to see from their own insides, right from the insides of hell and death and lies, what they say themselves.
of course, they always , like politicians, like all liars, try to cover themselves with more lies, and so .... don't expect to ever hear the truth from them, as Scripture cannot be changed.

the doctrine, so-called, of the eucharist/mass is a complete corruption of Jesus and His Word. it is one of the most evil practices on earth, within the beast of corruption.

but it is whitewashed to the outside, and to those 'inside' who believe what they are told instead of believing God.

that anyone is ever saved is a miracle. from any church. not just the roman abomination/harlot of harlots.

seem 'harsh'? they have murdered without regrets believers since a little after 300a.d. millions of true believers seeking Jesus and the kingdom of God/heaven have been murdered or lied to by them. there has been no truth and no salvation out of them, ever, not since constantine, nor from him, nor before him.

it is a hard lesson to learn. but totally and completely necessary for true salvation in Jesus. don't believe anything they say. they cannot help anyone.

the 'most positive' thing anyone ever said in truth about the catholic priests, was by richard wurmbrand , who
after he was converted to Jesus, said that God had used all the different people / churches in his life to direct his steps, like sign posts, yes even the 'catholics'; BUT , the catholics could not lead him to Christ, because they did not know Christ- they do not abide in Him. God could use anybody though , like He did other nations in the OT and in the NT, even though they are not His people.

 

[Jeff_56]

We try to welcome everyone to our site including people who grow up with Catholic tradition because of course we want to lead people to the truth.

But sometimes it's perceived that we tolerate error and heresy. Please understand first of all that we don't screen every thread and post in this forum. YOU can help with that. If there's something that you really think we should deal with, then use the Report button (there's a Report button on every post). But please understand that there will be some error and we don't remove all error or even all heresy from the site, partly because it's an opportunity for Christians to correct it and respond with the word of God. But if there's too much of it or too much from one person then we do some housecleaning. We certainly don't want our site to be dominated by Catholic heresy or whatever heresy or error, and we don't want people to get the impression that we just tolerate all of that.

So for the record, Catholicism is heresy. That's what the admins of this site believe.

Mary WAS A SINNER.

She needed a savior, just like you and me.

She is NOT the "mother of God". God has no mother, because God is God. Yes Jesus is God, and Mary was his mother, but we have to understand the dual nature of Jesus. He was 100% God yes, and also 100% man. Mary was his mother as a man, not as God. No where does the scripture refer to Mary as the "mother of God". And in fact, she's not even mentioned in all the epistles. All the New Testament instruction to the church is all about Jesus, not Mary. They never said "hail Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners". They always said JESUS .. JESUS... JESUS.

This is preaching to the choir for most people here. But it regularly happens that we start to accumulate Catholics here who really promote and argue their Catholicism, along with all the heresy.

So for the record, if anyone wants or needs to hear it, we don't agree with Catholic heresy. And yes it is heresy to exalt any other human being as sinless to the same level as Jesus (as the Catholics do with Mary -- they actually teach that Mary was sinless like Jesus!!!), and put equal focus on a person other than Jesus.

At the same time, we understand that no one is born a Christian. That's why Jesus said you must be born again. So we welcome all who are seeking -- Catholics, Muslims, homosexuals, and even protestants who are "Christian" only by tradition -- to experience our fellowship here on this site and learn the truth that Jesus is the way and the truth and the life and no one can come to the father except through Him. And there is only one God, and one mediator between God, the man Christ Jesus. Because he was both 100% man and 100% God, that makes him the perfect mediator between man and God. That's why the scripture also tells us to go straight to Jesus -- go to the throne of grace with confidence, knowing that he can understand our weaknesses and everything, since he lived as a man like us (and even experienced all temptation). Hence we don't need Mary to go to or go through -- that defeats the purpose of Jesus.

I saw my mother-in-law die before my eyes putting her faith in Mary. Days before she died I asked her if Mary can save her and she actually said yes. Then in her dying moments, my father-in-law pushed me in front of her to pray for her as she was dying before our eyes. I simply prayed out loud in front of everyone that she would put her faith in Jesus, and ONLY JESUS. There was protesting in the background "wala na Maria? wala na Maria?", which is Filipino language for "No Mary?? No Marry??". You see how deceived they all are. It is sad. You see how the devil uses that poison to add something to Jesus.

So I hope it's clear what we believe and we hope that we can promote the truth here in love.

and post #2: (about heresy from catholicx)
"P.S. what prompted me to post this is a couple of complaints that our forum contains a lot of heresy, including Catholic heresy, and also I just now removed a thread that was basically promoting praying the Rosary. "
from RoboOp.


amein.

 

[Human]

martin luther and charles chiniquoy were once so-called 'respected' so-called 'priests' (not of God, but of the abomination they were in)
and "came out of her (the mother of harlots)" and the harlot then tried to kill them, then to discredit them,
but the harlot failed,
and many came to a true faith in Jesus, and many were set free from the harlot as they had been.

if there's any doubt about the so-called doctrines of the rcc, read (even a part of) "Fifty Years in the Church of Rome" ,
to see from their own insides, right from the insides of hell and death and lies, what they say themselves.
of course, they always , like politicians, like all liars, try to cover themselves with more lies, and so .... don't expect to ever hear the truth from them, as Scripture cannot be changed.

the doctrine, so-called, of the eucharist/mass is a complete corruption of Jesus and His Word. it is one of the most evil practices on earth, within the beast of corruption.

but it is whitewashed to the outside, and to those 'inside' who believe what they are told instead of believing God.

that anyone is ever saved is a miracle. from any church. not just the roman abomination/harlot of harlots.

seem 'harsh'? they have murdered without regrets believers since a little after 300a.d. millions of true believers seeking Jesus and the kingdom of God/heaven have been murdered or lied to by them. there has been no truth and no salvation out of them, ever, not since constantine, nor from him, nor before him.

it is a hard lesson to learn. but totally and completely necessary for true salvation in Jesus. don't believe anything they say. they cannot help anyone.

the 'most positive' thing anyone ever said in truth about the catholic priests, was by richard wurmbrand , who
after he was converted to Jesus, said that God had used all the different people / churches in his life to direct his steps, like sign posts, yes even the 'catholics'; BUT , the catholics could not lead him to Christ, because they did not know Christ- they do not abide in Him. God could use anybody though , like He did other nations in the OT and in the NT, even though they are not His people.

So you respect Mrtin Luther? The same Martin Luther who said ''What does it matter if women grow tired and if they die? Let them die in childbirth then, for that is why they are here''. You should read Martin Luthers ''On the Jews, and Their Lies'', his 1543 tale full of epically anti-Semitic vitriol. Or, perhaps his staunch advocacy of ignorance; ''Any person who wants to be a Christian must be intent on silencing the voice of reason''. Or, what about his ideas on forced religion; ''Even though there are those who do not believe, they must nonetheless be driven to the preaching, so that they might at least learn the outward appearance of obedience''.

Luther was an idiot.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Luther certainly had his character flaws and theological issues. I wouldn't look to him as the best model for Christianity but rather as someone who found himself in an institution that had veered wildly off track from that and sought reform.

 

[Shyness]

I know this site is in dire need of donation, but as for me, I refuse to give any of my hard earned money to a site that hates members of the Catholic church. I instead will donate to the Catholic church and to those families who do not have much. My hard earned money is my money and I can save or spend it however I want.

 

[Shyness]

Plus there is so much negative energy and darkness here that it is extremely depressing.

 

[ThomistColin]

I don't want to offend you but I don't think anyone could read the bible and then look at catholic doctrine and more importantly the fruit of their group and conclude that its the true church of Jesus Christ. I would ask if someone helped you see these things you believe you see? Was there some person or group that influenced you as you searched these things out?

Actually yes. Two people, a Calvinist historian and philosophy teacher and a Lutheran minister.