Catholic Heresy (for the record)

ThomistColin · Jan 2, 2015

I highly doubt that, because any man who said he would follow the pope instead of Christ is not Catholic. The Pope is the servant of the servants of God. Therefore, to deny Christ and follow the Pope would mean one of three situations. Either the Pope has failed to serve God and therefore one who follows the Pope is wrong. The Pope is following God and the person believes the Pope to be the source of that information and therefore is wrong. OR The Pope is following God and the person believes they are following God and the Pope but truly are not and therefore are wrong. In every single one of the scenarios, it is the individual who has failed and is not truly following the Catholic faith.

ThomistColin · Jan 2, 2015

notuptome said:

Therefore, Christ being God has the power to give that authority to His servant. To deny that is to deny God infinite power...or to deny that Jesus is God. Which heresy do you want to teach?

ThomistColin · Jan 2, 2015

Jackson123 said:

Chapter and Verse comes from the Catholic Church, it didn't exist in the original form of Scripture.

Jackson123 said:

I will respond as to why we believe such things:
1. By recitation of the Rosary, one contemplates the mysteries of the Faith, 20 in total.
2. Mary promises to pray for us before Jesus.
3. To contemplate the mysteries of the Faith through unceasing prayer is to put on the full armor of God.
4. To contemplate the mysteries of the Faith through unceasing prayer is to trust God which will lead to obedience to God which leads to service.
5. To contemplate the mysteries of the Faith through unceasing prayer is to love, believe, and trust Christ, thus your soul shall not perish.
6. Again, see 3, 4, and 5. Also notice the "if he be just" thus meaning he is truly trusting God. If he not be just then he is lost already.
7. To keep the Rosary is a sign of trust in Christ and to trust in His commandments, thus you will be able to receive any of the Sacraments.
8. See 3, 4, 5, and 6.

ChristIsGod · Jan 2, 2015

ThomistColin said:

Chapter and Verse comes from the Catholic Church, it didn't exist in the original form of Scripture.

I will respond as to why we believe such things:
1. By recitation of the Rosary, one contemplates the mysteries of the Faith, 20 in total.
2. Mary promises to pray for us before Jesus.
3. To contemplate the mysteries of the Faith through unceasing prayer is to put on the full armor of God.
4. To contemplate the mysteries of the Faith through unceasing prayer is to trust God which will lead to obedience to God which leads to service.
5. To contemplate the mysteries of the Faith through unceasing prayer is to love, believe, and trust Christ, thus your soul shall not perish.
6. Again, see 3, 4, and 5. Also notice the "if he be just" thus meaning he is truly trusting God. If he not be just then he is lost already.
7. To keep the Rosary is a sign of trust in Christ and to trust in His commandments, thus you will be able to receive any of the Sacraments.
8. See 3, 4, 5, and 6.

Oy vey!

You've got that backwards. If you believe this, then you're not 'Catholic'.

ThomistColin · Jan 2, 2015

ChristIsGod said:

Funny, you not being Catholic telling me how Catholicism works...

Jeff_56 · Jan 2, 2015

ThomistColin said:

you've been deceived by a heresy (directly opposed to the Gospel of Jesus) that the owner of this site and ALL the admins, and martin luther, and charles chiniquoy, and me, and all the ekklesia

recognize.

ChristIsGod · Jan 2, 2015

My deceased son-in-law was a Catholic Theologian and I 'had to' go to Catechism until I was 12. I 'had' more Catholic books then the majority of catholics have, because I wanted to understand What they believe and here where I live, I help out the nuns because a lot of them retire here in this '55 and over' community and they leave a lot of literature in our laundry room for us to take & read - and not just them - but I'd say there's at least 98% catholics living here and we're a close knit community.
I have more teaching booklets by your former pope Benedict than anyone living here because if they leave it out for someone to take - I take those books, magazines and teaching booklets. KoC, you name it - I have those type magazines as well.

Everything that you guys believe that we don't believe was handed to you by one of the popes -- and the Vicar of Christ .... what does that mean? I know what it means .... "in the place of Christ". Whatever any of the popes put down as law [for a lack of a better term] that becomes catholic dogma .... regardless if it contradicts the Words of Christ or not. That's your and my history. I got out at 10 yrs old because I had an experience or you'd say epiphany of Christ. Yup, I walked out of the confessional one Saturday night and instead of going to that altar to say countless Hail Mary's, Our Father's and Apostle's Creeds ... I went out the door. But I had to go back to catechism because my family wanted my brother and I to make 'Confirmation' too. Fortunately for me, the nun that I had understood my love for Jesus only and only gave me Jesus things to read. She was a good women.

If I die before I move from here, with all the catholic literature I have in my apartment, they'd think I was catholic.

Most of my family are as well. I preach Jesus - they don't KNOW Him.

ThomistColin · Jan 2, 2015

ChristIsGod said:

So says you, you do not have the power to know what is in the hearts of your family. TO PRESUME SUCH is to presume you know what only GOD knows.

ThomistColin · Jan 2, 2015

Jeff_56 said:

Am I to trust the admins, an adultering murderer, a man I've never heard of, you, and your church? Or am I to trust where the Holy Spirit has led me?

By the way, I don't discount Martin Luther as simply an adultering murderer. St. Paul was a murderer and St. Augustine was an adulterer and fornicator.

Jeff_56 · Jan 2, 2015

trust and seek ABBA. the holy spirit did not lead you where you are. Yahshua never leads His disciples into demonic worship service. no, not ever.

do not trust any man like you admitted trusting who led you into the rcc , they did it through deception, and with demonic help all along.

go back to simple Scripture. seek ABBA (God) Himself, or you will never ever know truth. (and Yhvh never goes against His Own Word --- almost anyone free from the abomination can see clearly the heresy of the rosary and of the mass and of the confessional. test everything by Scripture, like the Bereans, as Yhvh says to. Scripture, Scripture, Scripture.

otherwise heresy, heresy, heresy.

ThomistColin said:

Jeff_56 · Jan 2, 2015

don't you want to go by Scripture yet ?

IF you do, then what does God's Word say about who can know what God thinks and what man thinks?

ThomistColin said:

Jeff_56 · Jan 2, 2015

[h=1]1 Corinthians 2:10-16Revised Standard Version (RSV)[/h] [SUP]10 [/SUP]God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For what person knows a man’s thoughts except the spirit of the man which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is from God, that we might understand the gifts bestowed on us by God. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who possess the Spirit.[SUP][a][/SUP]
[SUP]14 [/SUP]The unspiritual[SUP][b][/SUP] man does not receive the gifts of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. [SUP]15 [/SUP]The spiritual man judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. [SUP]16 [/SUP]“For who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

ChristIsGod · Jan 2, 2015

ThomistColin said:

Presume? I can't presume with my own family that I am so close with and love so much, Thomist. They don't know Him. I've talked Jesus with them since 1976 and you haven't any idea what reactions I've gotten.

I don't hate catholics at all. Just because we don't agree and I believe we're to follow The Word of God only and not men or "traditions" as my SIL would say when we'd discuss what we both agreed on and didn't agree on, for my daughter's sake -- the traditions always trump The Word of God, unfailingly.

Listen, this is a sad topic but I couldn't help but be drawn up here tonight to this thread and God only knows why but I don't follow men. If they can quote Scripture and in context, etc. - then yes, I enjoy talking with my Brothers & Sisters ... but I've studied His Word since back when and that's all I've been doing for all of these yrs as I don't travel & don't watch TV so because I love Him - I love His Words. It's just all about truly Loving Him and knowing that He 'is' The Word of God so that you don't want to hear what anybody else has to say that's Not from The Word of God made flesh anymore.

His Love to you.

triplet347 · Jan 2, 2015

RoboOp said:

Where does it say in the scriptures Mary was a sinner?

Yes, Mary needed a savior, Jesus. I absolutely agree.

How is Mary not the mother of God? You admit that Jesus is both 100% man and 100% God. So, by reason, she is the mother of God. People don't mother bodies, they mother people. Jesus was a person. He was not two people, but only one person with two natures. So, in being the mother of the person, Jesus, she was the mother of God, not in the sense that God came into being through Mary, but she carried him for nine months, breast-fed him as an infant, raised him to adulthood. She was every bit a mother to Jesus as our own mother is to us. Jesus loved Mary every bit as we love our own mothers. You have to see that. To deny that relationship would to be to deny Jesus' humanity and your own.

passinthru · Jan 2, 2015

I think we can all agree that we respect Mary as the mother of Jeus and for being obedient. However....I must ask where does th eidea of parying to Mary come from when the bible says nothing of this. We are to pray to God in Jesus Name. No offence to Mary but I an, for one, certainly grateful to be able to talk to God through what Jesus did and have Him speak to me though the Holy Spriit ....why do some not believe this is possible? God a chapter and verse on this?

Jeff_56 · Jan 2, 2015

did you read the OP ? if so, how many times is it written there that Mary is His mother, or Mary is Jesus mother ?
i.e. the Op didn't neglect the relationship as you may have tried to imply or infer.

then again, when Jesus was told his mother and brothers were trying to reach Him, what did HE SAY ? "who is my mother and brothers and sisters - whoever hears the Word of God and does it, they are My mother and brothers and sisters"

did you search the Scripture? is it written ever that "Mary is the mother of God "? ever ?

there is a reason that for that. can you figure it out ? (hint:always avoid idolatry and sin, always).

did you search the Scripture? and search(without going after them) pagan religions outside God's people , in other nations ?

("mother of god" worship is used frequently in pagan religions, religions that can save no one)

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kennethcadwell · Jan 2, 2015

triplet347 said:

Yes we can give her respect for what she did, but we can see in scripture that Jesus did not hold her as any higher than the rest of us who are in Him;

[h=1]Matthew 12:47-50[/h]47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”

ThomistColin · Jan 3, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

Yes we can give her respect for what she did, but we can see in scripture that Jesus did not hold her as any higher than the rest of us who are in Him;

Matthew 12:47-50

47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”

Did Mary not do the will of the Father?

kennethcadwell · Jan 3, 2015

ThomistColin said:

Yes she did, that does not mean she was sinless.
As all have sinned and fell short of the glory of God, but this also does not mean she was held in higher regard then any of the rest of us as Matthew 12:47-50 shows. For we are all called to do His will in our lives, those who do not do His will are not His.

Jackson123 · Jan 3, 2015

ThomistColin said:

I Google what is rosary pray

In my opinion, this pray is mixed between bible and something else. half true is more danger than false. In this pray Mary is Queen of Heaven, the same title to the Rome Goddess. It is not in the bible.

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[TD]he Sign of the Cross: In the name of the Father of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen

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[TD]The Apostles' Creed: I believe in God the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord; Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell. On the third day He arose again; He ascended into heaven,and sitteth at the right hand of God, the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgivness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen

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[TD]The Our Father: Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name: Thy kingdom come: Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread: and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation: but deliver us from evil. Amen.

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[TD]The Hail Mary: Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen

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[TD]Glory Be to the Father: Glory be to the Father, and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.

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[TD]The Fatima Prayer: "O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Your Mercy".
(Our Lady at Fatima, 13th July 1917)

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[TD]The Hail, Holy Queen: Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy! our life, our sweetness, and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve; to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this valley, of tears. Turn, then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us; and after this our exile show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus; O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.

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additional prayers

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[TD]Let Us Pray
"O God whose only begotten Son has purchased for us the rewards of eternal life, Grant that we beseech Thee while meditating upon these mysteries of the Most Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary, we may both imitate what they contain and obtain what they promise, through the same Christ our Lord Amen."
Fatima prayer #2
"My God, I believe, I adore, I hope, and I love You. I beg pardon of You for those who do not believe, do not adore, do not hope, and do not love You."
(The Angel to three children of Fatima, spring 1916)
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Litany of the Blessed Virgin Mary

Lord have mercy.
Christ have mercy.
Lord have mercy.
Christ hear us.
Christ graciously hear us.God, the Father of heaven,
have mercy on us.God the Son, Redeemer of the world,
God the Holy Spirit,
Holy Trinity, one God,Holy Mary,
pray for us.
Holy Mother of God,
Holy Virgin of virgins,
Mother of Christ,
Mother of the Church,
Mother of divine grace,
Mother most pure,
Mother most chaste,
Mother inviolate,
Mother undefiled,
Mother most amiable,
Mother admirable,
Mother of good counsel,
Mother of our Creator,
Mother of our Saviour,
Mother of mercy,
Virgin most prudent,
Virgin most venerable,
Virgin most renowned,
Virgin most powerful,
Virgin most merciful,
Virgin most faithful,
Mirror of justice,
Seat of wisdom,
Cause of our joy,
Spiritual vessel,
Vessel of honour,
Singular vessel of devotion,
Mystical rose,
Tower of David,
Tower of ivory,
House of gold,
Ark of the covenant,
Gate of heaven,
Morning star,
Health of the sick,
Refuge of sinners,
Comfort of the afflicted,
Help of Christians,
Queen of Angels,
Queen of Patriarchs,
Queen of Prophets,
Queen of Apostles,
Queen of Martyrs,
Queen of Confessors,
Queen of Virgins,
Queen of all Saints,
Queen conceived without original sin,
Queen assumed into heaven,
Queen of the most holy Rosary,
Queen of families,
Queen of peace.Lamb of God, who takest away the sins of the world,
spare us, O Lord.Lamb of God, who takest away the sins of the world,
graciously hear us, O Lord.Lamb of God, who takest away the sins of the world,
have mercy on us.Pray for us, O holy Mother of God.
That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.Let us pray.
Grant, we beseech thee,
O Lord God,
that we, your servants,
may enjoy perpetual health of mind and body;
and by the intercession of the Blessed Mary, ever Virgin,
may be delivered from present sorrow,
and obtain eternal joy.
Through Christ our Lord.
Amen.

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Memorare of St. Bernard
Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to thy protection, implored thy help, or sought thine intercession was left unaided.

Inspired by this confidence, I fly unto thee, O Virgin of virgins, my mother; to thee do I come, before thee I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in thy mercy hear and answer me.

For the intentions of the Holy Father, one may recite at the end of the Rosary one "Our Father", one "Hail Mary", and one "Glory Be".
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