Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[mikeuk]

There is no such thing as "Apostolic succession" - for, there were no more Apostles after the original ones - i.e., there was only one "generation" of Apostles.

You might be surprised but RCC agrees with you on that. Check out the catechism. The term apostolic succession relates not to appointment of more apostles, but to the bishops as successors to apostles described variously as.
"ministers of a new covenant," "servants of God," "ambassadors for Christ," "servants of Christ" etc

Even if you dispute the primacy of Peter as first among the bishops with an office as steward, the rest is visible history of the early church.

 

[notuptome]

You do not have an answer - no idea of the meaning of bind and loose, just so long as you disagree with the catholic version.

And in that waffle, please note and as I pointed out before, RC defines the church as people of god, body of Christ.

You simply do not like the biblical answer. You cannot show from scripture anything to support your position. You claim history written by Romanists which is totally biased and only believable by those indoctrinated into the truth according to Rome. If the pope says it you believe it over what the bible says. Catechism over biblical scriptures. Poor choice.

You can do nothing but waffle and deflect because you have no truth. Rome has long been known for its apostasy. You will not address the matter of salvation because you do not have a biblical salvation. You have methodology but your methodology conflicts with scripture.

Your sins are bound to you because you refuse to give them to Christ Who indeed can set you free.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Marie25]

We try to welcome everyone to our site including people who grow up with Catholic tradition...

I just now removed a thread that was basically promoting praying the Rosary.

You try welcome Catholics by calling us heretics and deleting our threads? Catholics aren't allowed to have a voice here?

Deleting Catholic threads and posts, especially those posts where Catholics have a duty to defend their Christian faith against pathetic attacks, makes you a dishonest hypocrite. The truth is that you don't try to welcome Catholics here at all. You encourage hate-bashing of Catholics. You don't allow Catholics to have a voice. You're a disgrace.

 

[mikeuk]

You simply do not like the biblical answer. You cannot show from scripture anything to support your position. You claim history written by Romanists which is totally biased and only believable by those indoctrinated into the truth according to Rome. If the pope says it you believe it over what the bible says. Catechism over biblical scriptures. Poor choice.

You can do nothing but waffle and deflect because you have no truth. Rome has long been known for its apostasy. You will not address the matter of salvation because you do not have a biblical salvation. You have methodology but your methodology conflicts with scripture.

Your sins are bound to you because you refuse to give them to Christ Who indeed can set you free.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Roger.

You have never replied to my questions, in any meaningful way.
I asked you what the binding and losing meant to ypur congregation in practice, and who enacts it and how
I asked you in respect of "those sins you would forgive etc" how you enact that from john and who does it?
I asked you in respect of Matthew 16 what was the power of binding and loosing, who uses and how in your contemporarry church

It is not that I don't like your answers, you never did me the courtesy of an answer. You spend most of the posts either saying "it is not peter" or attacking me or RCC, in almost all cases on things it does not even believe. And never answered those questions directly.

So I am none the wiser. And after so many times of asking, have no interest in trying to get blood out of a stone.
Most of your replies have addressed issues not in the question, more often an adhominem attack on me! - or an unjustified rant against RCC as in your quote.

You also ignore the obvious truth, radiating from this forum, that individuals like you coming to scripture manage wildly different interpretations of it. Go look a the OSAS threads. So this is not an argument as you wrongly characterise it "what the bible says" it is a matter of deciding "what ithe bible means" and determining the authority to do that.

I would have been interested in a biblical discussion, particularly how you enact those verses in contemporary life. You don't seem to have a clear interpretation of them except to say RCC is wrong. So you are interested in unreasoned attack against RCC, so hear endeth the conversation.

 

[Utah]

You try welcome Catholics by calling us heretics and deleting our threads? Catholics aren't allowed to have a voice here?

Deleting Catholic threads and posts, especially those posts where Catholics have a duty to defend their Christian faith against pathetic attacks, makes you a dishonest hypocrite. The truth is that you don't try to welcome Catholics here at all. You encourage hate-bashing of Catholics. You don't allow Catholics to have a voice. You're a disgrace.

With a loving heart and desire to learn from you, I say the following: It has been my lifelong observation that far too many Catholics place a much higher emphasis on the Catholic Church, Mary and the Pope than on Jesus. This is a grave error. Am I wrong? If so, please tell me on what should I place my observation?

 

[notuptome]

Roger.

You have never replied to my questions, in any meaningful way.
I asked you what the binding and losing meant to ypur congregation in practice, and who enacts it and how
I asked you in respect of "those sins you would forgive etc" how you enact that from john and who does it?
I asked you in respect of Matthew 16 what was the power of binding and loosing, who uses and how in your contemporarry church

It is not that I don't like your answers, you never did me the courtesy of an answer. You spend most of the posts either saying "it is not peter" or attacking me or RCC, in almost all cases on things it does not even believe. And never answered those questions directly.

So I am none the wiser. And after so many times of asking, have no interest in trying to get blood out of a stone.
Most of your replies have addressed issues not in the question, more often an adhominem attack on me! - or an unjustified rant against RCC as in your quote.

You also ignore the obvious truth, radiating from this forum, that individuals like you coming to scripture manage wildly different interpretations of it. Go look a the OSAS threads. So this is not an argument as you wrongly characterise it "what the bible says" it is a matter of deciding "what ithe bible means" and determining the authority to do that.

I would have been interested in a biblical discussion, particularly how you enact those verses in contemporary life. You don't seem to have a clear interpretation of them except to say RCC is wrong. So you are interested in unreasoned attack against RCC, so hear endeth the conversation.

Alas it comes down to the same old conclusion. Rome speaks a language that is not biblical. Rome cannot communicate in truth. You see this as someone must have the authority to act to bind or remit sin. That is ungodly exegesis of the passages. You through Rome's teachings want to exercise power over the sins of others. The heart of man is desperately wicked and who can know it?

Acts 7:54 When they heard these things they were cut to the heart and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

You are only interested in a discussion in which you determine the interpretations of the scriptures. You have predetermined what you will accept as the truth and you deny all else. You are not here to learn or engage in profitable discussion. You are here to issue condemnations against anything and anyone who differs with you and your Roman doctrinal bias.

Accuse me of ranting if you must but that does not change the value of your positions based on the theology of Rome. You will not entertain any teaching that contradicts your own. You simply belittle and dismiss everyone as lesser than you. If you are not already in the Roman Catholic priesthood you make a perfect candidate. Scripture asks the question of what shall a man give in exchange for his soul. For many it is the liturgy and pomp of Rome. Sad though it may be when the offering for sin lies at the door.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[mikeuk]

With a loving heart and desire to learn from you, I say the following: It has been my lifelong observation that far too many Catholics place a much higher emphasis on the Catholic Church, Mary and the Pope than on Jesus. This is a grave error. Am I wrong? If so, please tell me on what should I place my observation?

Can anyone answer?

The catechism does not agree with your comment! The focus is on jesus, and sacraments.
The catechism states that Mary does not usurp that, a misunderstanding it seems.

For emphasis consider.

In any mass, The lamb is mentioned at least 20 times! God and Lord and Jesus at least another 20, the holy spirit probably 10 The pope gets but one mention we pray for him. Mary twice on a good day, always in the context of plwase pray for us! So jesus is the centre of all!
The church is mentioned as the body of christ a couple of times, including for example "brothers and sisters" - which is what catholics think the church is by the way. The people of god!

So your assumption is seemingly way off base!

 

[mikeuk]

More anticatholic ranting

For the cause of Roger

Why do you never answer the questions ? I know what I think those scriptures mean. I was asking you what you think they mean and how you enact them.

And in 20 posts you either will not , or possibly cannot answer, other than you don't like the RCC version.

I give up.

 

[notuptome]

Why do you never answer the questions ? I know what I think those scriptures mean. I was asking you what you think they mean and how you enact them.

And in 20 posts you either will not , or possibly cannot answer, other than you don't like the RCC version.

I give up.

You are asking an incorrect question. You start from an impossible position. You will never arrive at the correct solution. You are not going to go west if you are always walking toward the rising sun.

You make communication impossible. You dismiss old J. Vernon McGee but follow after Romanists writers like Bishop Fulton Sheen. Now there was a true apostate, a dyed in the wool deceiver. Now I'm not a big supporter of personalities but Rome has certainly had more than a fair share of scoundrels in her crowd. Sad thing is she continues to exalt and glorify them.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[mikeuk]

You are asking an incorrect question.
Roger

How can asking "what do you mean by this scripture" EVER be an incorrect question on a bible discussion forum.
<rolls over on the floor with laughter!>

<let me recover.....>
And you answer is more of the same.
Can you ever stick to a biblical issue?

 

[notuptome]

Can anyone answer?

The catechism does not agree with your comment! The focus is on jesus, and sacraments.
The catechism states that Mary does not usurp that, a misunderstanding it seems.

For emphasis consider.

In any mass, The lamb is mentioned at least 20 times! God and Lord and Jesus at least another 20, the holy spirit probably 10 The pope gets but one mention we pray for him. Mary twice on a good day, always in the context of plwase pray for us! So jesus is the centre of all!
The church is mentioned as the body of christ a couple of times, including for example "brothers and sisters" - which is what catholics think the church is by the way. The people of god!

So your assumption is seemingly way off base!

You shame Jesus by keeping Him nailed to the cross. You speak of a Jesus that is not the Jesus of the bible. You place Jesus out of reach of the common man. Jesus is not distant but Jesus is personal and very close to each soul. Jesus desires to have us common folk in His presence and boldly by reason of importunity seek of Him that which we need.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Marie25]

With a loving heart and desire to learn from you, I say the following: It has been my lifelong observation that far too many Catholics place a much higher emphasis on the Catholic Church, Mary and the Pope than on Jesus. This is a grave error. Am I wrong? If so, please tell me on what should I place my observation?

The short answer is yes, you are wrong. The Blessed Trinity has always been and continues to be at the heart of the Catholic (i.e. Christian) faith. He is our First Cause and Last End. As St. Thomas said, To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible. God knows the heart. If you sincerely desire the truth for God's sake then without a doubt He will lead you to the Catholic faith.

 

[Jeff_56]

m25, that is heresy- to promote anything rcc catholic, according to the yahweh creator, as well as the owner and admins of this site.
to promote the heresy
is directly opposed to jesus, as well as against the rules of the meetings of ekklesia everywhere on earth, and also the rules of this site (see the op).

 

[Jeff_56]

You shame Jesus by keeping Him nailed to the cross. You speak of a Jesus that is not the Jesus of the bible. You place Jesus out of reach of the common man. Jesus is not distant but Jesus is personal and very close to each soul. Jesus desires to have us common folk in His presence and boldly by reason of importunity seek of Him that which we need.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

do they care? notice they keep as if possible promoting their heresy, and though for 2000 years the evidence of truth , of God's Word, of all scripture, and of the Spirit of God, and Yahshua(Jesus) is against them,
they never learn --- they keep puking up their beliefs and putting them over and above God's Word.
every time you, or I , or RoboOp, or anyone on this forum
presents the truth,
not
just here in this thread, but in any and every thread, they try to defend the heresy. they never learn.

 

[mikeuk]

You shame Jesus by keeping Him nailed to the cross. You speak of a Jesus that is not the Jesus of the bible. You place Jesus out of reach of the common man.
Roger

Another roger anticatholic Myth

Y Jesus is not distant but Jesus is personal and very close to each soul. Jesus desires to have us common folk in His presence and boldly by reason of importunity seek of Him that which we need.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Eureka we agree on something, and had you understood catholic spirituality you would know that.


But why do you not answer biblical questions - or indeed telling me biblical questions were the wrong question! My answer still the same as when you said it.

How can asking "what do you mean by this scripture" EVER be an incorrect question on a bible discussion forum.
<rolls over on the floor with laughter!>

<let me recover.....>
And you answer is more of the same.
Can you ever stick to a biblical issue?

< I am still laughing!>

 

[notuptome]

Another roger anticatholic Myth

Only your completely biased opinion.

Eureka we agree on something, and had you understood catholic spirituality you would know that.

Because of what I know it is clear to me that you worship a different Jesus. You are described in Romans chapter one verses 21 and 22.

But why do you not answer biblical questions - or indeed telling me biblical questions were the wrong question! My answer still the same as when you said it.

How can asking "what do you mean by this scripture" EVER be an incorrect question on a bible discussion forum.
<rolls over on the floor with laughter!>

<let me recover.....>
And you answer is more of the same.
Can you ever stick to a biblical issue?

I only have one issue to discuss with you. How does one obtain eternal life in the Roman Catholic Church? Upon this we can build understanding. Without it we are not on the same wave length.

< I am still laughing!>

God gets the last laugh Psalm 2

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Jeff_56]

when any heretic (not repenting, nor forsaking their wicked ways) asks any question, or states any statement, it is wrong. the source is evil. that's what makes it wrong.

just like if a gestapo nazi baby killer came here , and asked any question other than how to get help/forgiveness from their vile sin.....

whenever the gestapo nazi baby killers visited the underground houses who were helping Jews and Christians escape,

the righteous ones NEVER TRUSTED THE GESTAPO NAZI BABY KILLERS. NEVER. NOT ONCE. (or if

they made an 'exception' - it was usually their LAST ONE...... after that they were executed.)

heresy is the same way. it is insidiously and forever evil and wicked and without repentance or remorse at

the souls that are condemned for it. no matter what the heresy source - catholic or muslim or hindu or political
or
financial or legal or social --- it's result is death.

note that in the same way, the believers in nazi gestapo baby killer germany DID NOT INVITE THE GESTAPO TO THEIR HOMES, EVER. and ESPECIALLY NOT TO THEIR EFFORTS HELPING JEWS AND CHRISTIANS TO ESCAPE FOR THEIR LIVES. NEVER.

so the ekklesia NEVER INVITE THE (promoters of) HERESY TO FELLOWSHIP NOR TO DINNER NOR CONVERSATION. the heresy is DEADLY.

 

[mikeuk]

Because of what I know it is clear to me that you worship a different Jesus
Roger

I worship the one of the new testament, so if we worship a different one, more fool you.

Have you ever even read the biographies of saints. There are many I could choose, but take Saint Margaret Mary - it is a love story for Jesus! You would not doubt the personal relationship if you ever researched catholic spirituality evidenced in the witness of saints.

The worst witness is false witness, criticism without knowledge, and of that you are guilty.

I have one issue to discuss with you
Roger

Since you refuse to even have dialogue on a straightforward bible question "what do you mean by"... and because you judge something you know nothing about, what is the point?

Roger you have had ample chance for civil discussion, you are not interested in a discussion even on your interpretations of bible. I asked you so many times. I came here to find out what others mean. But you are only interested in endless anticatholic rants and ad hominems.

Good luck to you, but I will not provide the framework in which you can air them or the oxygen to fan the flames- so become another Jeff, and rant away to yourself instead.

 

[notuptome]

I worship the one of the new testament, so if we worship a different one, more fool you.

Have you ever even read the biographies of saints. There are many I could choose, but take Saint Margaret Mary - it is a love story for Jesus! You would not doubt the personal relationship if you ever researched catholic spirituality evidenced in the witness of saints.

The worst witness is false witness, criticism without knowledge, and of that you are guilty.

Now you judge me? I know many saints. Every born again person is a saint. Not just the ones that Rome deems worthy. You read too much of the fiction produced by Rome. Shame on you sir.

Since you refuse to even have dialogue on a straightforward bible question "what do you mean by"... and because you judge something you know nothing about, what is the point?

Roger you have had ample chance for civil discussion, you are not interested in a discussion even on your interpretations of bible. I asked you so many times. I came here to find out what others mean. But you are only interested in endless anticatholic rants and ad hominems.

Good luck to you, but I will not provide the framework in which you can air them or the oxygen to fan the flames- so become another Jeff, and rant away to yourself instead.

Discussion is a two way street. You do not discuss you assert and then dismiss. You do not produce any biblical evidence to support your accusations. You claim catechisms but no scripture. You wonder why your arguments are dismissed out of hand? They are baseless. I have pled with you to tell me how I can know I have eternal life from the Roman Catholic position. You will not engage because it is fundamentally opposed to what you teach. You lurk in the shadows of half truth fearing to venture into the light of Gods word. Shame on you again.

Luck won't get you into heaven. Only the blood of Christ and the grace of God received by faith.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[mikeuk]

Now you judge me? I know many saints. Every born again person is a saint. Not just the ones that Rome deems worthy. You read too much of the fiction produced by Rome. Shame on you sir.
Discussion is a two way street. You do not discuss you assert and then dismiss. You do not produce any biblical evidence to support your accusations. You claim catechisms but no scripture. You wonder why your arguments are dismissed out of hand? They are baseless. I have pled with you to tell me how I can know I have eternal life from the Roman Catholic position. You will not engage because it is fundamentally opposed to what you teach. You lurk in the shadows of half truth fearing to venture into the light of Gods word. Shame on you again.

Luck won't get you into heaven. Only the blood of Christ and the grace of God received by faith.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Margaret Mary's autobiography was written by the lady herself. Ditto all the others, so neither fiction nor produced by Rome.
I use catechism to demonstrate what we believe, in the light of misstatements by you and others ,
I use scripture ( and historical context ) to justify why we believe it.
We are saved by grace. read the catechism, I pointed out the section but you were probably too busy ranting to notice.

Farewell Roger.