Thank you. Again, I ask lovingly; what do you mean, if I sincerely desire the truth for God's sake then I will be lead to the Catholic faith? Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior and that's the only thing that matters. Truth is not about being Catholic, Protestant or anything else; it's about a relationship with Jesus Christ.
Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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Still in denial.
Have you any integrity? I do not read catechisms. I do not see the wisdom in reading what someone else says the word of God is to mean. Jesus said you must be born again. How does a Roman Catholic get born again?
I see Roman Catholic as a term to designate a person who has received infant baptism, confirmation and first communion to be a full member of the "church". I assume there is a complimentary process for adults who wish to join the "church".
You still hide behind catechisms and provide no bible documentation for your positions.
The bios of "saints" will not get you to heaven.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Have you any integrity? I do not read catechisms. I do not see the wisdom in reading what someone else says the word of God is to mean. Jesus said you must be born again. How does a Roman Catholic get born again?
I see Roman Catholic as a term to designate a person who has received infant baptism, confirmation and first communion to be a full member of the "church". I assume there is a complimentary process for adults who wish to join the "church".
You still hide behind catechisms and provide no bible documentation for your positions.
The bios of "saints" will not get you to heaven.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Thank you for answering, friend. I wish my assumption was way off base, but its not. I work in hospice and time and again I see profound fear in the eyes of Catholics at the mere thought of a priest not arriving in time to offer the sacrament of the sick to someone who is actively dying. This is but one example of the church being above Jesus in the eyes of many Catholics.
When my brother in law was dying the family called for the priest and he did not want to come. My niece's husband called and threatened the priest if he didn't come right away.
I would have found the incident somewhat comical if it were not that I know my brother in law was very adamant against anything that was not Catholic. Here in his hour of greatest need they were too busy elsewhere to minister to him. How horrible the thought that he reached out for a priest instead of Jesus. Another soul in hell thanks to Romanism.
Better stop because I have too many accounts of similar content that make me weep for souls lost to religion. Refusing Christ and grasping for religion. Never lose sight of the reality of souls entering eternity apart from Christ do so without hope.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I would have found the incident somewhat comical if it were not that I know my brother in law was very adamant against anything that was not Catholic. Here in his hour of greatest need they were too busy elsewhere to minister to him. How horrible the thought that he reached out for a priest instead of Jesus. Another soul in hell thanks to Romanism.
Better stop because I have too many accounts of similar content that make me weep for souls lost to religion. Refusing Christ and grasping for religion. Never lose sight of the reality of souls entering eternity apart from Christ do so without hope.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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A little background
There are several sacraments offered at this time.
The first sacrament is that of the sick instructed in James
"Is any among you sick? Let him call for the presbyters of the Church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up; and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven" (Jas 5:14-15).
I do not know what other denominations do that, but it is clearly instructed by scripture to do that.
But for those who are still physically able to recieve him, Jesus himself is offered in the eucharist! Catholics are not the only ones to believe that."He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:54
For those who believe in the real presence, you cannot get more christ centred.
Prior to that is the healing power of confession, sure the sacrament is not the only way , but it gives certainty, a sense of relief and closure that is hard to describe until experienced, that allows all to be forgiven. Christ delegates that power in scripture.
"Those sins you would forgive will be forgiven them" John 20:23
The absolution is in the name of the "father , the son and the holy spirit"
But in addition to the sacraments the priest will pray in the name of christ, for the person who may be unable to do so for him or herself, or pray with the person if they are able..
I do not understand what you mean in saying the "church" takes precedence. Understand that for catholics the church is defined variously as the "people of god" "body of christ""temple of the holy spirit" So congregations - the people at mass are often asked to pray for an ill person, so how is the church praying for someone a bad thing? The church is neither a building nor a hierarchy. Read it in the catechism.
There are several sacraments offered at this time.
The first sacrament is that of the sick instructed in James
"Is any among you sick? Let him call for the presbyters of the Church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up; and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven" (Jas 5:14-15).
I do not know what other denominations do that, but it is clearly instructed by scripture to do that.
But for those who are still physically able to recieve him, Jesus himself is offered in the eucharist! Catholics are not the only ones to believe that."He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:54
For those who believe in the real presence, you cannot get more christ centred.
Prior to that is the healing power of confession, sure the sacrament is not the only way , but it gives certainty, a sense of relief and closure that is hard to describe until experienced, that allows all to be forgiven. Christ delegates that power in scripture.
"Those sins you would forgive will be forgiven them" John 20:23
The absolution is in the name of the "father , the son and the holy spirit"
But in addition to the sacraments the priest will pray in the name of christ, for the person who may be unable to do so for him or herself, or pray with the person if they are able..
I do not understand what you mean in saying the "church" takes precedence. Understand that for catholics the church is defined variously as the "people of god" "body of christ""temple of the holy spirit" So congregations - the people at mass are often asked to pray for an ill person, so how is the church praying for someone a bad thing? The church is neither a building nor a hierarchy. Read it in the catechism.
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Why do you find it so necessary to insult? Is your argument so weak you are unable to make it without such?
That is why I will not continue the dialogue. If you cannot be civil then say nothing.
Evidently- Which is why you wholly misrepresent what we believe. Please criticie nothing more about RCC unless you are willing to find out what it believes, and that is the place to find out.
Sorry Roger, people who are as willing as you are to bear false witness for the sake of unwillingness to find out what it is you criticise are beneath contempt, as your insults prove, and demonstrate bad faith of intent to smear
Good day. Flame away, I will no longer answer.
That is why I will not continue the dialogue. If you cannot be civil then say nothing.
Evidently- Which is why you wholly misrepresent what we believe. Please criticie nothing more about RCC unless you are willing to find out what it believes, and that is the place to find out.
Sorry Roger, people who are as willing as you are to bear false witness for the sake of unwillingness to find out what it is you criticise are beneath contempt, as your insults prove, and demonstrate bad faith of intent to smear
Good day. Flame away, I will no longer answer.
you have never answered yet..... yahweh, yahshua, torah, scripture, paul, peter, john, james jude, philip, stephen,
martin luther, and a host of reformers after him,
keith green (perhaps assassinated for exposing the abomination heresy of the rdd(sick)),
and
the priest known across a couple or more continents for 50 years - charles chiniquoy,
all testify against rdd heresy and the mother of harlots - the destroyer of souls, the heresy that's indefensible.
a rant ? go check all of the previous mentioned,
and the posters that gave you verse by verse more than enough to show that the pope is antichrist,
and you still roll around in the muck and mire of the rdd(sick) sin trying to defend it contrary to scripture!!!
martin luther, and a host of reformers after him,
keith green (perhaps assassinated for exposing the abomination heresy of the rdd(sick)),
and
the priest known across a couple or more continents for 50 years - charles chiniquoy,
all testify against rdd heresy and the mother of harlots - the destroyer of souls, the heresy that's indefensible.
a rant ? go check all of the previous mentioned,
and the posters that gave you verse by verse more than enough to show that the pope is antichrist,
and you still roll around in the muck and mire of the rdd(sick) sin trying to defend it contrary to scripture!!!
The church praying for someone is never a bad thing. The church believing that a person needs a priest to absolve sins before someone dies is indeed a very bad thing. Jesus is the one who cleanses us from all sin, no one else.
Also, Jesus Himself is offered in the Eucharist. We don't need the Eucharist to have Jesus. He lives in our hearts.
But anyway, I rejoice for you that Jesus is your Lord and Savior. He is mine as well.
Also, Jesus Himself is offered in the Eucharist. We don't need the Eucharist to have Jesus. He lives in our hearts.
But anyway, I rejoice for you that Jesus is your Lord and Savior. He is mine as well.
you do know don't you, that if jesus was his lord, then the pope would not be ? and the pope kicks out or executes anyone who
thinks that way(anyone who obeys jesus). (a pope might 'fudge' in some places like the usa until they have a little more abominable power to do so, ... but that's been the way it's been for about 2000 years).
thinks that way(anyone who obeys jesus). (a pope might 'fudge' in some places like the usa until they have a little more abominable power to do so, ... but that's been the way it's been for about 2000 years).
okay, good... but remember that the ones who jesus called sons of the devil claimed that abraham was their father and that they obeyed the one true elohim.
and , very strange by today's thinking(and hardly ever understood) jesus said "DO WHAT THEY SAY" (when they teach torah!) to his own disciples,
but do not do as they do.
remember this doesn't apply to the papacy/hierarchy (he never in person nor by voice nor by scripture said to obey or do what the antichrist says to do; he says "come out of her my people" in person, by voice and by scripture; or you might prefer and it agrees with scripture he says "come out of her my people" "by his spirit" or again "by the spirit of truth" )
John 8:39 "Abraham is our father," they answered. "If you were ...
biblehub.com/john/8-39.htm
"If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would do what .... seen
with My Father; therefore you also do the things which you heard from your father.
and , very strange by today's thinking(and hardly ever understood) jesus said "DO WHAT THEY SAY" (when they teach torah!) to his own disciples,
but do not do as they do.
remember this doesn't apply to the papacy/hierarchy (he never in person nor by voice nor by scripture said to obey or do what the antichrist says to do; he says "come out of her my people" in person, by voice and by scripture; or you might prefer and it agrees with scripture he says "come out of her my people" "by his spirit" or again "by the spirit of truth" )
John 8:39 "Abraham is our father," they answered. "If you were ...
biblehub.com/john/8-39.htm
"If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would do what .... seen
with My Father; therefore you also do the things which you heard from your father.
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thankfully, antichrist call even Jesus' a troll , and worse. so that testifies against your heresy.
and
as the testimony of other believer shows, who is not a heretic >
"You are only interested in a discussion in which you determine the interpretations of the scriptures. You have predetermined what you will accept as the truth and you deny all else. You are not here to learn or engage in profitable discussion. You are here to issue condemnations against anything and anyone who differs with you and your Roman doctrinal bias. <i.e. your admitted HERESY>
Accuse me of ranting if you must but that does not change the value of your positions based on the theology of Rome. You will not entertain any teaching that contradicts your own. You simply belittle and dismiss everyone as lesser than you. If you are not already in the Roman Catholic priesthood you make a perfect candidate. Scripture asks the question of what shall a man give in exchange for his soul. For many it is the liturgy and pomp of Rome. Sad though it may be when the offering for sin lies at the door.
For the cause of Christ
Roger"
and
as the testimony of other believer shows, who is not a heretic >
"You are only interested in a discussion in which you determine the interpretations of the scriptures. You have predetermined what you will accept as the truth and you deny all else. You are not here to learn or engage in profitable discussion. You are here to issue condemnations against anything and anyone who differs with you and your Roman doctrinal bias. <i.e. your admitted HERESY>
Accuse me of ranting if you must but that does not change the value of your positions based on the theology of Rome. You will not entertain any teaching that contradicts your own. You simply belittle and dismiss everyone as lesser than you. If you are not already in the Roman Catholic priesthood you make a perfect candidate. Scripture asks the question of what shall a man give in exchange for his soul. For many it is the liturgy and pomp of Rome. Sad though it may be when the offering for sin lies at the door.
For the cause of Christ
Roger"
as long as you serve the enemy of christ (if you are serving the pope) ,
then what good will being anything do ?
as jesus says about the priests of the abomination "you will travel across an ocean or a desert to make a convert,
then make them seven times the son of the devil as yourself" (if you serve the papacy).
remember, the christians on this site recognize that the papal hierarchy is heresy. is that what you are going to 'join' !? the papal heresy .....?
then what good will being anything do ?
as jesus says about the priests of the abomination "you will travel across an ocean or a desert to make a convert,
then make them seven times the son of the devil as yourself" (if you serve the papacy).
remember, the christians on this site recognize that the papal hierarchy is heresy. is that what you are going to 'join' !? the papal heresy .....?
from : link: webpage:
Wycliffe
....www dot prca.org/books/portraits/wycliffe.htm
"John Wycliffe was a great man of God. In the all-wise providence of God the Reformation of the 16th century would have been impossible without his work. He is the morning star indeed.
So hated was he by Rome that, although Rome was restrained in his lifetime from harming him, the church could not let his bones rest in peace. On October 8, 1427, on order of the Council of Constance (the same Council that burned John Hus at the stake), Wycliffe's body was exhumed, his bones burned, and the ashes strewn on the River Swift.
A later chronicler described this event in eloquent words.
They burnt his bones to ashes and cast them into the Swift, a neighboring brook running hard by. Thus the brook conveyed his ashes into the Avon, the Avon into the Severn, the Severn into the narrow seas and they into the main ocean. And so the ashes of Wyclif are symbolic of his doctrine, which is now spread throughout the world. "
Wycliffe
....www dot prca.org/books/portraits/wycliffe.htm
"John Wycliffe was a great man of God. In the all-wise providence of God the Reformation of the 16th century would have been impossible without his work. He is the morning star indeed.
So hated was he by Rome that, although Rome was restrained in his lifetime from harming him, the church could not let his bones rest in peace. On October 8, 1427, on order of the Council of Constance (the same Council that burned John Hus at the stake), Wycliffe's body was exhumed, his bones burned, and the ashes strewn on the River Swift.
A later chronicler described this event in eloquent words.
They burnt his bones to ashes and cast them into the Swift, a neighboring brook running hard by. Thus the brook conveyed his ashes into the Avon, the Avon into the Severn, the Severn into the narrow seas and they into the main ocean. And so the ashes of Wyclif are symbolic of his doctrine, which is now spread throughout the world. "