Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[valiant]

How did Gabriel find Mary to deliver the message? Luck of the draw?

are u sure you have given the right age? Are you 7? When someone sends a messenger He tells him where to go. It as easy a that.

Is 1 Cor 6 only symbolic too?

why should it be? God's people are living and reigning with Him in Heaven (Rev 20.4-5). Of course they act as judges.

Or are you referring to Paul's description of the Roman Catholic church ? 'The unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God. neither fornicators, nor adulterers, nor child molesters (nor those who conceal their activities), nor IDOLATERS (who worship the reserved sacrament), nor greedy, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.' ?

We do not pray to Mary. We ask her to pray for us. Huge difference.

but just as ridiculous and exalting her above her station. if she can hear you all she has to be omnipresent, which is clearly ridiculous.

 

[mattp0625]

Ah, more insults. No matter.
I see- So Gabriel has a share in God's knowledge but not Mary.

 

[valiant]

I see. Just curious- since you are as highly favoured as Mary, did Gabriel visit you last night? Just checking in on that. Also, you are clearly a learned man. Would you say you're more learned than Pope Benedict XVI? Just asking since you seem liberal with the insults.

No I was even more highly favoured (Eph 1.6). GOD visited me last night.

Well i clearly show more intelligence than he does for I see through Roman Catholic doctrine and see it for what it is. God has chosen the weak things of this world to confound the mighty.

If you go by intelligence Richard Dawkins is probably more intelligent than Benedict. So should I listen to him?,

 

[mattp0625]

More highly favoured than Mary, smarter than the Pope, and the inside scoop with God. I see.

 

[valiant]

More highly favoured than Mary, smarter than the Pope, and the inside scoop with God. I see.

EQUALLY favoured with Mary, certainly smarter than the pope or he would give up supporting unsupportable doctrines, and All true Christians have the inside scoop with God. Your problem is that you love exalting people and fail to recognise that we are all sinners before God, and that Mary was firmly removed from motherhood of Him by Jesus Himself.

 

[mattp0625]

I'm exalting people? I agree there's lots of exaltation of people here..

 

[fordman]

I am quite well aware of what Roman Catholic dogma is.

Hmmmmm....thats debatable. Being aware and understanding are two differnt things pop's! Lol

I am also aware that ordinary Roman Catholics do not understand it, or over-ride it, and DO think that Mary and the saints can answer their prayers.

Oh.... I see now ol' timer, so you are smarter than all the 1.2 billion Catholics that inhabit the earth, and know whats in their hearts???? I think not pop's!!! Lol! How much more doltish can ya get!

And whilst they should not they DO worship them. God knew this would happen. That is why He said NO GRAVEN IMAGES. But of course Roman Catholics know better than God. Neither MARY NOR THE SAINTS HAVE ANY SPECIAL INFLUENCE WITH GOD

Lol.... you do a lot of talkin Pop's, but all I see are personal opinions. How about you backing up these claims with proof.


Pax Christi

"fromhenceforth all generations shall call me Blessed." ----Luke 1:48

 

[valiant]

Hmmmmm....thats debatable. Being aware and understanding are two differnt things pop's! Lol

you are insulting. that's why I insult you rcs back. I understand your non-biblical fantasies all too well they make me cringe.

Oh.... I see now ol' timer, so you are smarter than all the 1.2 billion Catholics that inhabit the earth, and know whats in their hearts???? I think not pop's!!! Lol! How much more doltish can ya get!

if you think that all RCs are enlightened you are a bigger fool than I first thought if possible.

Lol.... you do a lot of talkin Pop's, but all I see are personal opinions. How about you backing up these claims with proof.

I have backed all my arguments with genuine Scripture. you simply ignore them because you have no answers. all you can appeal to is quotes selected from church fathers who were not very wise in their doctrine and which have no validity in God's sight.

if you claim the peace of Christ then why don't you show the love of Christ? it is simply hypocrisy.

 

[mattp0625]

Surely you know "eye for an eye" laws of the old covenant were rejected in the new covenant.
Surely you also know that Jesus taught us to not say "thou fool" to others.

 

[valiant]

Surely you know "eye for an eye" laws of the old covenant were rejected in the new covenant.
Surely you also know that Jesus taught us to not say "thou fool" to others.

that is translation English. the greek word has much stronger connotations.

actually I did not call him a fool. I outlined the conditions on which he would be one. thus he was given a choice.

 

[valiant]

Surely you know "eye for an eye" laws of the old covenant were rejected in the new covenant.
Surely you also know that Jesus taught us to not say "thou fool" to others.

do you know what Jesus called those who put tradition before the word of God? 'Blind fools.' (Matt 23.17). I but follow in His steps.

 

[Jackson123]

How did Gabriel find Mary to deliver the message? Luck of the draw?
Is 1 Cor 6 only symbolic too?
We do not pray to Mary. We ask her to pray for us. Huge difference.

Indonesian Catholic pray TO Mary.

This pray below is from official Indonesian catholic web. It is in Indonesian, I give link bellow. If you click translate, they will automatically translate, though I believe the translation is not perfect. the tittle suppose Submission pray to Mary.

1. [h=3]Doa-Doa Kepada Bunda Maria - Ekaristi Dot Org[/h]www.ekaristi.org/doa/dokumen.php?...
   
   
   
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   Doa Penyerahan Kepada Maria Madah Bakti, 1991, No. 52. Santa Maria, BundaTuhan kami Yesus Kristus, engkaulah Ratu dunia termulia. sudilah engkau ...You've visited this page 2 times. Last visit: 3/26/15
   
   
   

Delivery Prayer To Mary Hymns Bakti, 1991, No. 52Holy Mary, Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ, thou art Queen's noblest. so good you became queen us all. Tunjukanlah to us the path to holiness and guide us so as not to get lost.
Take charge of our mind, so we're just looking for the right.
We will be over, so we just want good.
Take charge of our hearts, that we love one another as a brother.
Overcome ourselves each and all family members.
Overcome all members of society, every nation and world dignitaries.
May the strap you into them all in a firm unity.
Overcome all mankind.
Open to the path of faith for those who are not familiar with your Son, Jesus.
Help her to all nations united, harmonious and peaceful life.
Naungilah all mankind, especially the persecuted and hounded.
They bear it in oppression and enlighten those in darkness, in order to remain faithful to Jesus, your son.
Hantarlah all our petition to thy Son, the Maharaja kingdom of peace, where every prayer of the petition is granted, every load lightened hearts and infirmities healed.
I hope people who know His power and put hope in Him. occasionally see the royal splendor of thy Son, who with the Father and the Holy Spirit lives and power, now and all time. Amen

 

[mattp0625]

Oh Indonesia! You got me. Sorta

 

[ThomistColin]

Jesus did not see her as 'the best among us creatures'. when she tried to see Him to persuade Him to give up His ministry, He said, 'WHO IS MY MOTHER??' And His reply was, those who do the will of My Father. (Mar 3.21, 31-35).

Where is this? This isn't Scripture...no where are we told she was trying to persuade Him to stop. Literally NO WHERE in Scripture is that stated at all.

 

[fordman]

you are insulting. that's why I insult you rcs back. I understand your non-biblical fantasies all too well they make me cringe.

Lol.... You may think you do Pop's, but you have shown time after time thats not the case. Sorry mi amigo.
p.s. How/why do you consider me to be insulting, by refuring to you by "Pop's' or "ol' timer?" Lol. it is obvious your not to familiar with American culture/lingo. There in the UK they (Pop's/ol' timer)might be considerd as an insult, but here in the U.S. thats not the case. My siblings and I called our Gran Pappy Pop's all the time, and he loved it. So quit being so thin skinned! What is it you Brits say??? "keep a stiff upper lip"!!! try it some time Lol!!

Now with that being said Pop's, how bout I throw a little challenge towards ya reguarding one of what you think is a Catholic non-biblical fantasy. Now in a earlier posts you claimed to be very learned with Catholic doctrine, right? Okay, my challenge to you is.... show me any where in Catholic doctrine that is imprimatur, where it says that Catholics believe that Mary is equal to God and we are to worship her. If you can do that, I will denounce my Catholic faith and join whatever church it is you belong. (What church might that be?) However, if you cannot, you would have to publicly admit on this forum that the Protestant/non-Catholic belief that Catholics worship Mary is a bald face lie. Willing to accept this challenge?

if you think that all RCs are enlightened you are a bigger fool than I first thought if possible.

Wow....You are one angry ol' timer arn't ya. Could it be you are a tad bit lonely? Would you like to chat sometime?

I have backed all my arguments with genuine Scripture. you simply ignore them because you have no answers.

And it is your personal interpretation of Scripture that is in question. You have yet to prove that your "personal" interpretations of Scripture are absolute and without error. So.... until then they must be combated and ignored. Thats why they are ignored Vato.

all you can appeal to is quotes selected from church fathers who were not very wise in their doctrine and which have no validity in God's sight.

Pop's.... have you been on the pipe? To make a bold statement like this makes me wonder if you have been indulging with a bit of the "Mota"! Lol!

if you claim the peace of Christ then why don't you show the love of Christ? it is simply hypocrisy.

Lol....Hypocrisy??? Did you actually just say that??? Lol!!! Wow Pop's, your a real piece of work! Now show one instance where I have been anarchic.



Pax Christi


"Frome henceforth, all generations will call me Blessed." ----Luke 1:48


p.s. looking forward to your answer on the challenge put forth too you.

 

[mikeuk]

you are insulting. that's why I insult you rcs back. I understand your non-biblical fantasies all too well they make me cringe.




if you think that all RCs are enlightened you are a bigger fool than I first thought if possible.



I have backed all my arguments with genuine Scripture. you simply ignore them because you have no answers. all you can appeal to is quotes selected from church fathers who were not very wise in their doctrine and which have no validity in God's sight.

if you claim the peace of Christ then why don't you show the love of Christ? it is simply hypocrisy.

Cool it valiant.

Your posts have gone from defending the indefensible to outright rudeness and a stream of ad hominem attacks which are no longer worth reading.

Might I remind you of what scripture actually says. "call no man fool" - not that scripture seems to influence you much.

You still limit God to being able to do only that which you can comprehend.
And where is your love of Christ in the posts above?

 

[valiant]

Cool it valiant.

Your posts have gone from defending the indefensible to outright rudeness and a stream of ad hominem attacks which are no longer worth reading.

Might I remind you of what scripture actually says. "call no man fool" - not that scripture seems to influence you much.

You still limit God to being able to do only that which you can comprehend.
And where is your love of Christ in the posts above?

In the Scripture Jesus Christ called those who put tradition before Scripture 'blind fools'. I happen to agree with Him. And sadly you seek to lead others astray with your pernicious, unScriptural doctrines. You are the enemies of Christ.

 

[Jeff_56]

JESUS is even more serious about the rcc leaders AND those they convert, who support the pope or the demonic doctrines and practices and lifestyles of the rcc catholicism the last 2000 years:>>>>
JESUS
OWN WORD: >

Matthew 23:15 - Bible Gateway

www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew%2023%3A15‎

[SUP]15[/SUP] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and .....
once you get him you make him into a replica of yourselves, double-damned.

 

[mattp0625]

JESUS is even more serious about the rcc leaders AND those they convert, who support the pope or the demonic doctrines and practices and lifestyles of the rcc catholicism the last 2000 years:>>>>
JESUS
OWN WORD: >

Matthew 23:15 - Bible Gateway

www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew%2023%3A15‎

[SUP]15[/SUP] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and .....
once you get him you make him into a replica of yourselves, double-damned.

Yes - same chapter:

[11] He that is the greatest among you shall be your servant. [12] And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be humbled: and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. [13] But woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men, for you yourselves do not enter in; and those that are going in, you suffer not to enter.


[26] Thou blind Pharisee, first make clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, that the outside may become clean. [27] Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you are like to whited sepulchres, which outwardly appear to men beautiful, but within are full of dead men' s bones, and of all filthiness. [28] So you also outwardly indeed appear to men just; but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

 

[mikeuk]

In the Scripture Jesus Christ called those who put tradition before Scripture 'blind fools'. I happen to agree with Him. And sadly you seek to lead others astray with your pernicious, unScriptural doctrines. You are the enemies of Christ.

Jesus is entitled to call anyone anything . The rest of us are told "call no man fool" "judge not lest ye be judged"

Since you believe unbiblical "sola scriptura" , other opinions derived from that error are questionable.

Seriously valiant Cool It. The rudeness of some of your recent posts, I can imagine makes unpleasant reading even for those who may agree with you.

Play the ball not the man. Do not refer to the other poster, only their views.