Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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ThomistColin

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valiant said:
lol typical rcc doublespeak
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lol typical stiffnecked response *sarcasm*

Is this what its going to be...us throwing slurs back and forth at each other? If so, then this is fruitless. Simply because neither side would have shown love in anyway. All we would have been doing is puffing out our chests like two turkeys fighting over nothing.
 
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Originally Posted by valiant
lol typical rcc doublespeak
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ThomistColin said:
lol typical stiffnecked response *sarcasm*

Is this what its going to be...us throwing slurs back and forth at each other? If so, then this is fruitless. Simply because neither side would have shown love in anyway. All we would have been doing is puffing out our chests like two turkeys fighting over nothing.
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no it was a serious criticism, you are trying to get it both ways. you cannot be both divine and not divine.
 
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ThomistColin said:
I don't know why this is disturbing in light of the Christian teaching that we are to become Sons and Daughters of God, we are to reign with God and partake in His Divinity. In essence, God has invited us into the relationship of the Trinity through the Body and Blood of the Son shed for us. We do not become gods, that is Apo-Theosis (and is an apostasy taught by Mormons). We do not become equal to God, because we are creations and He is uncreated, always to be our better. BUT We will be one with God, as a man and wife are ONE FLESH. Jesus calls us His Bride. Thus in the intimacy of the Trinity, we now have a share, because we are the Bride of the Son, Children of the Father, and their literal and living Love that we call the Holy Spirit, or Paraclete, is indwelling Himself in us. In this way, we become God, because we are now sharers of the Love of God, partakers of Divinity. Because bluntly, WE ARE THE WIFE OF THE SON AND CHILDREN OF THE FATHER!
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1. I agree with you, that if we invite Him, Holy Spirit will dwell in us. But we not become God like Catholic teach.

I become president. mean I am president and I have power as president have. I have the right to lead tne nation.

I become God, mean I am God, and able to create heaven and earth.
 
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valiant said:
no it was a serious criticism, you are trying to get it both ways. you cannot be both divine and not divine.
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the pope told him he could, and the he got it from the same tempter that told eve she could - eve recovered, the pope never did nor will. (he likes being head of beast , and cannot change to good)

remember, this site states and agrees with yahweh, yahshua, and yahweh's WORD,

...........................................-- rcc is heresy.


no discussion needed to find that out nor to prove it - it is a divine, unchangeable fact, and supposed to be no promotion of heresy.

want to discuss it? why? how many who believe in the heresy have repented in the last 5 years "discussing" ?? their disgusting, vile, deadly heresy.
 
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no it was a serious criticism, you are trying to get it both ways. you cannot be both divine and not divine.
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Funny. Are you actually a Christian or just a non-Catholic? You seem to dislike me more than you seem to accept God and what He wrote?
 
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1. I agree with you, that if we invite Him, Holy Spirit will dwell in us. But we not become God like Catholic teach.

I become president. mean I am president and I have power as president have. I have the right to lead tne nation.

I become God, mean I am God, and able to create heaven and earth.
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So when God said you would reign with Him...partake in His divinity...would become His wife...would become His sons and inherit His kingdom...was He lying or just doublespeaking?
 
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Paul VS the False Apostles (the "another jesus of the rcc" , "different gospel" of the rcc)

…3But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. 4For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully. 2 corinthians 11

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But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!


i.e. not only don't listen to them, don't converse with them, don't have a meal with them......
 
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ThomistColin said:
So when God said you would reign with Him...partake in His divinity...would become His wife...would become His sons and inherit His kingdom...was He lying or just doublespeaking?
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God didn't said we become God.

To my knowledge God said that God is one, not a billions.

If every Catholic become God, then it will be billions God.

Member of Cabinet reign with president, but president only one, minister not become president because they reign with president.

In daily live if a man become a doctor, he is doctor, if a man become police, He is policeman, If a man become governor, he is governor.
 
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Jackson123 said:
1. I agree with you, that if we invite Him, Holy Spirit will dwell in us. But we not become God like Catholic teach.

I become president. mean I am president and I have power as president have. I have the right to lead tne nation.

I become God, mean I am God, and able to create heaven and earth.
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please get off this. no matter how many times you ask, your premise is just wrong. We don't become the Creator, but we do become heirs with Christ
 
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mwc68 said:
please get off this. no matter how many times you ask, your premise is just wrong. We don't become the Creator, but we do become heirs with Christ
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I feel the same way with you brother, we not become God.

But I think you better not run from the reality. Catholic said you become God.

If you not agree with catholic, it is good sign. one step further, Ask real Jesus to explain to you what kind of religion catholic is.
 
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mwc68 said:
I already know, and i embrace it
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I don't understand what is in your mind brother.

Catholic say we might become God.

You don't agree and you don't believe we ever become a God.

why you said you embrace. You embrace the teaching we might become a God?
 
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So much is lost in translation here
(even between english speakers)
 
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ThomistColin said:
Funny. Are you actually a Christian or just a non-Catholic? You seem to dislike me more than you seem to accept God and what He wrote?
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I am a genuine Bible believing Christian. Why should I hate YOU? You're just a name. But I do hate many of the doctrines you stand for which bring dishonour on our Lord Jesus Christ. I accept fully what God wrote (seen wisely) . It is your interpretation of it that I disagree with. Sorry to disappoint you but you will not become divine. IF you are a son you are an adopted son, not one by birth.
 
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ThomistColin said:
So when God said you would reign with Him...partake in His divinity...would become His wife...would become His sons and inherit His kingdom...was He lying or just doublespeaking?
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WE will reign with Him, and while we will have close participation with One Who is divine, we will not ourselves become divine.
'Wife' is a metaphor not intended to be taken literally. It indicates close relationship. In the afterlife there are no wives. We are as the angels in Heaven. Besides how can we be wives and sons at the same time? God was speaking truly You are just mishearing.
 
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ThomistColin said:
I don't know why this is disturbing in light of the Christian teaching that we are to become Sons and Daughters of God, we are to reign with God and partake in His Divinity. In essence, God has invited us into the relationship of the Trinity through the Body and Blood of the Son shed for us. We do not become gods, that is Apo-Theosis (and is an apostasy taught by Mormons). We do not become equal to God, because we are creations and He is uncreated, always to be our better. BUT We will be one with God, as a man and wife are ONE FLESH. Jesus calls us His Bride. Thus in the intimacy of the Trinity, we now have a share, because we are the Bride of the Son, Children of the Father, and their literal and living Love that we call the Holy Spirit, or Paraclete, is indwelling Himself in us. In this way, we become God, because we are now sharers of the Love of God, partakers of Divinity. Because bluntly, WE ARE THE WIFE OF THE SON AND CHILDREN OF THE FATHER!
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In Genesis God says that He, the trinity, created man in his image. Sin corrupted Gods creation. Christ died on Calvary to redeem and reconcile fallen man back to God.

All that said our sojourn here as born again Christians is a journey of sanctification which is completed when we are glorified together with our Savior. We cannot partake of the divine nature until we are free from the body of flesh which is a body of sin. In this tabernacle of mud we have only a glimmer of what is ours in Christ. Scripture teaches that eye hath not seen nor ear heard what God has prepared for those who love Him. 1 Corinthians 2:9

I have found that many supposed differing interpretations are the result not of interpretation but of application. Scripture has one interpretation and many applications.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
mwc68

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You people keep posting the same old myths and lies about the church as if it is truth. i have been a Catholic my whole life and have never experinced any of the garbage yall post here. You fabricate stuff and when we refute it, you still want to believe the lies, i don't get it
 
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mwc68 said:
You people keep posting the same old myths and lies about the church as if it is truth. i have been a Catholic my whole life and have never experinced any of the garbage yall post here. You fabricate stuff and when we refute it, you still want to believe the lies, i don't get it
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Well...that is your opinion. Right or wrong it does not rise above just your opinion. I have been witnessing to RCC's for just about as long as you have been alive and my experience does not match your opinion.

Your conundrum is that you have been shown biblical testimony of the errors in RCC teachings and you willfully choose to ignore them or endeavor to explain them away with some pretty fantastic reasoning.

I am not an expert but I have seen born again Christians face death and I have seen RCC's face death. I will say that there is a marked difference between the two. Full assurance of hope provides a peace that infused religion cannot match.

For peace that passes understanding one must come to Christ and receive of Him. The question when one is dying is do you seek peace or anxiety based on uncertainty?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Jackson123 said:
I don't understand what is in your mind brother.

Catholic say we might become God.

You don't agree and you don't believe we ever become a God.

why you said you embrace. You embrace the teaching we might become a God?
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Good grief
 
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valiant said:
No He came down to fashion a living church of true believers in Him. But they necessarily have to follow some pattern of worship. And that pattern was of independent churches worshiping freely under the guidance of the Holy Spirit under the local leadership..
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I'm still having a hard time believing that the early churches we independent. There had to be growing pains in the new way of life and without constant contact with one another things defiantly got off course (all the early heresies). To consider that they would be strictly independent of each other, no communication, no watering guidance seems absurd. There were bishops that led them, who wrote letters to them and to each other right? Or Did they get the revelation of God himself and just go separate ways, become independent? Not even a letter going, "Hey hows saving mankind going for you?" That sounds insane.

Look at it this way. The Revelation of Man, the Word of God becomes incarnate and is made man, don't you think that's a big deal? Of course you do. These man, Apostles and Bishops, deacons and elders led by the Holy Spirit wouldn't just lets the Church at the grass roots level become independent without checking in once in a while. That seems like a petry dish for heresy.
 
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