Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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Do you really think that God the Son was restricted to the womb of Mary? He could not be separated from the Father. Even whilst He was in the womb of Mary He was bestriding the universe. Read Athanasius. That was his view too. The Word bestrode the universe whilst the son of David was in the womb. Mary was merely a channel for His humanity.
Two interesting ideas came to me in discussions about the trinity.
1. Jesus is Gods word, his message of his nature in human form, living, eternal, a man on earth, separate from the Father, but His word spoken to mankind.
2. Jesus the message is eternal, but not like the Father in terms of knowledge and presence, but a targeted working out of God on the earth.
Now everything that is eternal, that is part of God, is God and is eternal, but may not be the full embodiment of the Father, but as nothing else but God is eternal, the eternal in whatever form is God.
Now conceptually some theologians feel all expressions of God must be without boundaries, because that would be a denial they were God, because God does not have boundaries. But this is the argument on its head. Anything that is eternal is God, an expression of him. Now his expression can be complete or limited, it is how he chooses to show the expression, but thinkers want to define the undefinable.
Jesus defined it for us though. "I do not know who the Father has chosen to sit at his left or right" "I do not know when the end times are due to come."
Now either Jesus was lying, not possible as this is a sin, or Jesus was limited, while also being God in human form.
Now if you see a problem in this position, please tell me, because I do not.
1. Jesus is Gods word, his message of his nature in human form, living, eternal, a man on earth, separate from the Father, but His word spoken to mankind.
2. Jesus the message is eternal, but not like the Father in terms of knowledge and presence, but a targeted working out of God on the earth.
Now everything that is eternal, that is part of God, is God and is eternal, but may not be the full embodiment of the Father, but as nothing else but God is eternal, the eternal in whatever form is God.
Now conceptually some theologians feel all expressions of God must be without boundaries, because that would be a denial they were God, because God does not have boundaries. But this is the argument on its head. Anything that is eternal is God, an expression of him. Now his expression can be complete or limited, it is how he chooses to show the expression, but thinkers want to define the undefinable.
Jesus defined it for us though. "I do not know who the Father has chosen to sit at his left or right" "I do not know when the end times are due to come."
Now either Jesus was lying, not possible as this is a sin, or Jesus was limited, while also being God in human form.
Now if you see a problem in this position, please tell me, because I do not.
That is playing with words and wholly misleading. The fullness of God could never be limited in one place. God made man was in Mary's womb, but she did not encompass GOD. Father, Son and Holy Spirit were still controlling all things outside Mary. Mary was an instrument through whom God was accomplishing a small part of His purposes. But once Jesus was born her task was mainly fulfilled. From then on she merely fulfilled, not wholly satisfactorily, her role as His mother until He was an adult. At that point He had to repudiate her because she tried to interfere in His ministry. As far as we know from then on He never called her mother. He recognised that her attitude towards Him was wrong. She was not one of those who were doing the will of the Father (Mark 3.31-35), or hearing His word and doing it (Luke 11.27-28).
I went there and first thing wrong i see, Jesus is the rock, but Peter was a little stone.
It is claimed that Christ turned headship of the Church
over to Peter and his successors. In plain language, that Christ
“bowed out,” as it were—that men rule in place of Christ, as
head of the Church.
He merely taught His message—His gospel—to His disciples
during His mortal human lifetime! But the Church of
God was founded—was started—on the day of Pentecost
Now, since it is claimed that the rock on which the Church
was founded refers to Peter—and not Christ—notice the true
meaning, as originally written by Matthew. Matthew wrote in
the Greek language
Then Jesus added: “And I say also unto thee, That thou art
Peter” (Greek inspired original word, Petros, meaning a stone),
“and upon this rock” (Greek inspired original word, petra,
meaning a ledge or shelf of rock or a crag) “I will build my
church …” (Matthew 16:18).
Peter was also called Cephas (Greek Képhas, from the
Aramaic Kêpha). In John 1:40-42 is related how Andrew,
Simon Peter’s brother, found Peter, and brought him to Jesus.
“And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son
of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation,
a stone”
The English word stone is translated from the Greek word petros,
meaning a single stone or loose stone. Also the Greek word Kephas
means such a stone, referring definitely to a human man.
when Jesus said “upon this rock I will build my
church” (Matthew 16:18), the Greek word, as written originally
by Matthew, was not either Kephas or petros, but petra, which
means a large massive rock.
a few other passages where this same Greek word petra
is used. In Matthew 7:24, Jesus spoke of the man who built his
house on a rock. The Greek word is petra
In Matthew 27:60, it is stated that the tomb in which Jesus
was buried, after the crucifixion, was hewn out in the rock —
in the petra! This is a mass of rock, not a single stone.
The Greek petra cannot mean the human Peter, but the
glorified Christ! Speaking of the Israelites under Moses, in
the wilderness, Paul writes: “… for they drank of that spiritual
Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ”
(1 Corinthians 10:4).
In plain language, then, that petra was Christ—but the
smaller stone, petros, or Kephas, was Simon Peter.
Behold, I lay in Sion [the Church] a chief corner stone, elect, precious:
and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. Unto
you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them
which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed,
the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling,
and a rock of offense, even to them which stumble at the
word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed”
(1 Peter 2:6-8).
In the above passage Peter is speaking to the Church.
He quoted from Isaiah 28:16: “Therefore thus saith the Lord
God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation, a stone, a tried
stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation”! This pictures
Christ as that foundation of the Church, on which it is
built. God’s Church was built on the ROCK (its foundation),
Christ—not on the stone, Peter
The Church is described in Ephesians 2:20 as being “built
upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets [including
Old Testament prophets], Jesus Christ himself being the chief
corner stone.”
“For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid,
which is Jesus Christ” (1 Corinthians 3:11)
“I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee” (Hebrews 13:5)He is shown
in Revelation 1:13, 18 to be the living Head, spiritually in the midst of the Church.
“Christ is the head of the church”! (Ephesians 5:23). Read it
also in Ephesians 4:15; 1:22; Colossians 1:18; 2:19.
He has been the living Head and High
Priest of the true Church, which He built.
It was on the day of Pentecost, a.d. 31. On that day, Christ, as He had promised (John 16:7),
sent the Holy Spirit to enter into His disciples,thus baptizing—or plunging them into, the Church.
The word church comes from the Greek ekklesia, which means congregation
of people. The Church of God consists of people—the
begotten children of God. It consists of—and only of—those who
have been begotten of God by having received His Holy Spirit.
So it was Jesus Christ, who went to heaven, and sent God’s
Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost, who founded the Church.
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves
as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their
It is claimed that Christ turned headship of the Church
over to Peter and his successors. In plain language, that Christ
“bowed out,” as it were—that men rule in place of Christ, as
head of the Church.
He merely taught His message—His gospel—to His disciples
during His mortal human lifetime! But the Church of
God was founded—was started—on the day of Pentecost
Now, since it is claimed that the rock on which the Church
was founded refers to Peter—and not Christ—notice the true
meaning, as originally written by Matthew. Matthew wrote in
the Greek language
Then Jesus added: “And I say also unto thee, That thou art
Peter” (Greek inspired original word, Petros, meaning a stone),
“and upon this rock” (Greek inspired original word, petra,
meaning a ledge or shelf of rock or a crag) “I will build my
church …” (Matthew 16:18).
Peter was also called Cephas (Greek Képhas, from the
Aramaic Kêpha). In John 1:40-42 is related how Andrew,
Simon Peter’s brother, found Peter, and brought him to Jesus.
“And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son
of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation,
a stone”
The English word stone is translated from the Greek word petros,
meaning a single stone or loose stone. Also the Greek word Kephas
means such a stone, referring definitely to a human man.
when Jesus said “upon this rock I will build my
church” (Matthew 16:18), the Greek word, as written originally
by Matthew, was not either Kephas or petros, but petra, which
means a large massive rock.
a few other passages where this same Greek word petra
is used. In Matthew 7:24, Jesus spoke of the man who built his
house on a rock. The Greek word is petra
In Matthew 27:60, it is stated that the tomb in which Jesus
was buried, after the crucifixion, was hewn out in the rock —
in the petra! This is a mass of rock, not a single stone.
The Greek petra cannot mean the human Peter, but the
glorified Christ! Speaking of the Israelites under Moses, in
the wilderness, Paul writes: “… for they drank of that spiritual
Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ”
(1 Corinthians 10:4).
In plain language, then, that petra was Christ—but the
smaller stone, petros, or Kephas, was Simon Peter.
Behold, I lay in Sion [the Church] a chief corner stone, elect, precious:
and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. Unto
you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them
which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed,
the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling,
and a rock of offense, even to them which stumble at the
word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed”
(1 Peter 2:6-8).
In the above passage Peter is speaking to the Church.
He quoted from Isaiah 28:16: “Therefore thus saith the Lord
God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation, a stone, a tried
stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation”! This pictures
Christ as that foundation of the Church, on which it is
built. God’s Church was built on the ROCK (its foundation),
Christ—not on the stone, Peter
The Church is described in Ephesians 2:20 as being “built
upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets [including
Old Testament prophets], Jesus Christ himself being the chief
corner stone.”
“For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid,
which is Jesus Christ” (1 Corinthians 3:11)
“I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee” (Hebrews 13:5)He is shown
in Revelation 1:13, 18 to be the living Head, spiritually in the midst of the Church.
“Christ is the head of the church”! (Ephesians 5:23). Read it
also in Ephesians 4:15; 1:22; Colossians 1:18; 2:19.
He has been the living Head and High
Priest of the true Church, which He built.
It was on the day of Pentecost, a.d. 31. On that day, Christ, as He had promised (John 16:7),
sent the Holy Spirit to enter into His disciples,thus baptizing—or plunging them into, the Church.
The word church comes from the Greek ekklesia, which means congregation
of people. The Church of God consists of people—the
begotten children of God. It consists of—and only of—those who
have been begotten of God by having received His Holy Spirit.
So it was Jesus Christ, who went to heaven, and sent God’s
Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost, who founded the Church.
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves
as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their
sorry history shows the false church, and blood spilt
the unholy roman empire unions
1st resurrection - Justinian in 554AD. the pope recognized him as the supreme religious leader.
2nd resurrection - Charlemagne crowned by the pope in 800AD.
3rd resurrection - Otto the Great crowned by the pope in 962AD.
4th resurrection - Charles V crowned by the pope in 1520AD.
5th resurrection - Napoleon crowned by the pope in 1805
6th resurrection - Hitler/Mussolini empowered by Pope Pius XII.
7th resurrection - forming in Europe now.
the unholy roman empire unions
1st resurrection - Justinian in 554AD. the pope recognized him as the supreme religious leader.
2nd resurrection - Charlemagne crowned by the pope in 800AD.
3rd resurrection - Otto the Great crowned by the pope in 962AD.
4th resurrection - Charles V crowned by the pope in 1520AD.
5th resurrection - Napoleon crowned by the pope in 1805
6th resurrection - Hitler/Mussolini empowered by Pope Pius XII.
7th resurrection - forming in Europe now.
Antiquity of the Roman Mass(easter) why cathlic church celebrates it
It is still redolent of that liturgy, of the days when Caesar ruled the world
and thought he could stamp out the faith of Christ, when our fathers met together
before dawn and sang a hymn to Christ as to a God.
the (un)holy roman empire union made easter to celebrate a pagon day,
that romans celebrated long before Jesus was begotten and sired by God.
and forced the world to accept it.
also The Catholic Encyclopedia reported:
“Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this tranference
of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.
It is still redolent of that liturgy, of the days when Caesar ruled the world
and thought he could stamp out the faith of Christ, when our fathers met together
before dawn and sang a hymn to Christ as to a God.
the (un)holy roman empire union made easter to celebrate a pagon day,
that romans celebrated long before Jesus was begotten and sired by God.
and forced the world to accept it.
also The Catholic Encyclopedia reported:
“Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this tranference
of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.
well if you deny these things as sin then we are all immaculate LOL. Meet the Blessed Valiant
I await my assumption LOLYou clearly have no understanding of sin. But then it goes along with the schismatic church you belong to. To come short of the glory of God is sin. For a mother to neglect her child was sin. For her to try to put the blame on Jesus when it was her fault was sin. To try to interfere with Jesus' ministry was sin. Would Jesus have repudiated her for anything that was not sin?
Jesus made clear that she was not doing the will of the Father and that she was not hearing the word of God and doing it.
You greatly err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.
well if you deny these things as sin then we are all immaculate LOL. Meet the Blessed Valiant I await my assumption LOL
You clearly have no understanding of sin. But then it goes along with the schismatic church you belong to. To come short of the glory of God is sin. For a mother to neglect her child was sin. For her to try to put the blame on Jesus when it was her fault was sin. To try to interfere with Jesus' ministry was sin. Would Jesus have repudiated her for anything that was not sin?
Jesus made clear that she was not doing the will of the Father and that she was not hearing the word of God and doing it.
You greatly err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.
I await my assumption LOLYou clearly have no understanding of sin. But then it goes along with the schismatic church you belong to. To come short of the glory of God is sin. For a mother to neglect her child was sin. For her to try to put the blame on Jesus when it was her fault was sin. To try to interfere with Jesus' ministry was sin. Would Jesus have repudiated her for anything that was not sin?
Jesus made clear that she was not doing the will of the Father and that she was not hearing the word of God and doing it.
You greatly err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.
no, sunday law is in effect now in europe[treaty of rome]
the bible says the Sabbath was made for Man,
nowhere does it saw sunday became the lords day.
why does man, trying to honor sunday instead ,
inforced by law in roman kingdom again,
European Sunday Alliance - First European Interest Group WORK-LIFE BALANCE launched!
the bible says the Sabbath was made for Man,
nowhere does it saw sunday became the lords day.
why does man, trying to honor sunday instead ,
inforced by law in roman kingdom again,
European Sunday Alliance - First European Interest Group WORK-LIFE BALANCE launched!
Does his book come before Deuteronomy or after it? His name is not in my Bible. Is this another book that the Roman Catholic church has tried to add to Scripture. ?
Why should I care what Lois de Montefort said? He was simply a deceived fool who was totally besotted with Mary and prayed to angels. Only a fool could have said something like that.
I in fact treat Mary sympathetically, recognising her faults and also her good points. I see her for what Jesus described her as - a WOMAN
Why should I care what Lois de Montefort said? He was simply a deceived fool who was totally besotted with Mary and prayed to angels. Only a fool could have said something like that.
I in fact treat Mary sympathetically, recognising her faults and also her good points. I see her for what Jesus described her as - a WOMAN
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i left for a few days after mwc posted that he prefers his parish to jesus. he is a 'real' person, devoted to something,
but not willing to give up the approval of his parish or family or priest to agree with Jesus and Yahweh's Word. ---
all the garbage that his parish presents to him he swallows easy as a camel....
but he's afraid if he believed the truth, they will reject him (and he is right about this - the parish and priext are not allowed to serve, follow, worship or obey Jesus; they are all required to bow to the pope. if he , if anyone there, turns to Jesus, they will be shunned, excommunicated, maybe executed (happens daily) )...
but not willing to give up the approval of his parish or family or priest to agree with Jesus and Yahweh's Word. ---
all the garbage that his parish presents to him he swallows easy as a camel....
but he's afraid if he believed the truth, they will reject him (and he is right about this - the parish and priext are not allowed to serve, follow, worship or obey Jesus; they are all required to bow to the pope. if he , if anyone there, turns to Jesus, they will be shunned, excommunicated, maybe executed (happens daily) )...