Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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Jackson123

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OK, 'Devils Advocate', if there was nothing super-special about Mary, why was she chosen for the role ?

Protestants seem to agree that she was a 'sinner'. Surely there were heaps of similar women around at the time.
With an acceptable lineage - (which seems to have importance for some).
God can make everything from nothing.

You don't need to be special for doing His work. It is grace not because of our specialty to be chosen by Him.

All human are sin and lack of the glory of God.
 
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I am not protestant but to answer your question there does not have to be anything more special about a person then another for God to choose them..............

The bible all throughout it shows God choose people who were guilty of murder and prostitution to do His will.
Just because Mary was chosen to be the carrier of God in the flesh, our Lord Jesus Christ does not mean she was any more special or sinless then any other person. The bible makes it clear only one person who walked this earth was sinless, and that was the Lord Himself.

Moses was raised and Egyptian that persecuted others and even murdered another man, yet he was chosen by God for a major purpose in God's plan.........

Rahab was a prostitute that was chosen by God to do His will and protect the Israelites that came to her..........

Apostle Paul who was charged to be the main Apostle to the Gentiles was a murder and persecutor of other Christians before chosen by God to do this..............

So nowhere does the bible say a person has to be special as in sinless, or be walking properly to be used........
You don't even know what a protestant is and I'm supposed to listen to you?
 

blue_ladybug

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Like I said,, its a common misunderstanding. Please do some research. If you're gonna criticize dogma, please find out what you are critisizing before you pile on!
You truly believe that Mary was immaculately conceived by God? woww.. you are soooooooooo deluded by the "religion" you believe.. :/
 

Lifetrack

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I'm sorry but will this game ever stop? Think he or she will change his or her mind? NO! stop wasting time while you can help others in Jesus name.
 
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I am not protestant but to answer your question there does not have to be anything more special about a person then another for God to choose them..............

The bible all throughout it shows God choose people who were guilty of murder and prostitution to do His will.
Just because Mary was chosen to be the carrier of God in the flesh, our Lord Jesus Christ does not mean she was any more special or sinless then any other person. The bible makes it clear only one person who walked this earth was sinless, and that was the Lord Himself.

Moses was raised and Egyptian that persecuted others and even murdered another man, yet he was chosen by God for a major purpose in God's plan.........

Rahab was a prostitute that was chosen by God to do His will and protect the Israelites that came to her..........

Apostle Paul who was charged to be the main Apostle to the Gentiles was a murder and persecutor of other Christians before chosen by God to do this..............

So nowhere does the bible say a person has to be special as in sinless, or be walking properly to be used........
You don't even know what a protestant is and I'm supposed to listen to you? If you look through this thread, you people are the ones that keep bringing up Mary and as a kicker, you pretend you can read my mind. I don't bring up Mary! Ya'll do because its your main talking point and a poor one at that
 

blue_ladybug

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I'm sorry but will this game ever stop? Think he or she will change his or her mind? NO! stop wasting time while you can help others in Jesus name.

amen.. whoever unstickied this thread should have deleted it also.. jmo
 

blue_ladybug

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Just angry I won't accept your weird intepretations

no I'm not angry at all.. but you're misguided if you think Mary was immaculately conceived.. NOWHERE in the bible does it say she was. HOWEVER, it DOES say that JESUS WAS begotten of God..
 
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no I'm not angry at all.. but you're misguided if you think Mary was immaculately conceived.. NOWHERE in the bible does it say she was. HOWEVER, it DOES say that JESUS WAS begotten of God..
Its dogma by theolgians over centuries . I don't expect you to understand or even want to understand. It is what i believe
 
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There are SO MANY differing opinions here all claiming to be guided by the Holy Spirit. I'm just not gonna leave the church for this mess! None of you agree on anything except that I'm a devil worshipper and that is alarming
 

blue_ladybug

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Its dogma by theolgians over centuries . I don't expect you to understand or even want to understand. It is what i believe

oh I understand, all right. I understand Mary was born of two HUMAN parents, and Jesus was immaculately conceived unto her by God's hand. This is not dogma, it's FACT. Go read your bible.
 

blue_ladybug

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There are SO MANY differing opinions here all claiming to be guided by the Holy Spirit. I'm just not gonna leave the church for this mess! None of you agree on anything except that I'm a devil worshipper and that is alarming

what's alarming is the fact you truly believe Mary was the one immaculately conceived by God, even though the bible proves you wrong..
 
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what's alarming is the fact you truly believe Mary was the one immaculately conceived by God, even though the bible proves you wrong..
Who was the other human? I was taught it was The Holy Spirit and Mary. Joseph had nothing to do with Jesus conception except to become the perfect father figure after His birth
 

blue_ladybug

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Who was the other human? I was taught it was The Holy Spirit and Mary. Joseph had nothing to do with Jesus conception except to become the perfect father figure after His birth


Joseph was Mary's HUSBAND. Mary was born to two human parents. SHE WAS NOT CONCEIVED BY GOD!! JESUS WAS!!
 
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kennethcadwell

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You don't even know what a protestant is and I'm supposed to listen to you?

Who is showing hatred now, as all I did was answer a question that was posed to protestants.

I am not protestant and for the record if you want my back ground here it is; 12 years in a Baptist church, 5 years in a Catholic church, 2 years again in a Baptist church, and now am Non-denominational because I have seen errors in teaching from each and every one of the denominations including Catholic.

Just because a person does not follow the teachings of the Catholic church over the bible does not make them a protestant....

But anyway to the topic of the question, it was asked if Mary was not more special then anybody else why was she chosen.
I made a point from clear biblical examples that a person does not have to be any more special than others, nor do they even have to be walking properly to be chosen by God.

Moses did not even believe in our God at the time he was chosen, for he was raised by Egyptian customs !!!
It was after he saw the burning bush that he believed....
 
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kennethcadwell

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what's alarming is the fact you truly believe Mary was the one immaculately conceived by God, even though the bible proves you wrong..
Who was the other human? I was taught it was The Holy Spirit and Mary. Joseph had nothing to do with Jesus conception except to become the perfect father figure after His birth
Joseph was Mary's HUSBAND. Mary was born to two human parents. SHE WAS NOT CONCEIVED BY GOD!! JESUS WAS!!

Wait a minute, wait a minute !!!

Are you now saying nwc68 that Mary was not born from two human parents ???

If that is what you are saying and is what the Catholic church or at least yours has twisted this to say now then oh my gosh this is completely wrong. I have heard about the immaculate conception but it was never taught in this way. For it was taught that Mary was sinless before chosen, then had Jesus as a virgin, and then stayed that way.

First with this is that Joseph was chosen by God to take Mary as his wife so that others would not stone her to death.
Because an unmarried woman who was pregnant with child in those days was to be stoned to death by the law.

Second Mary is of the same family as Elizabeth was she was Mary's relative, and Elizabeth was chosen by God and gave birth to John the Baptist.

Third the bible speaks of other children that Mary and Joseph had together !!!
 
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All i see are lies coming from the mouth of mwc68. Lets see if mwc68 can back up anything he says with Scriptures.

Where in the Scriptures mwc68 did God ever say Mary was without sin? To put this all to rest all you have to do mwc68 is show us where in the Scriptures did God ever say Mary was without sin! Its as easy as that!

I know for a fact all mwc68 will do is attack me and change the subject! He has NEVER show us where in Scriptures does God Himself says, "Mary was without sin". It only just 4 little words mwc68! So where are they in the Bible mwc68????????
 
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Wait a minute, wait a minute !!!

Are you now saying nwc68 that Mary was not born from two human parents ???

If that is what you are saying and is what the Catholic church or at least yours has twisted this to say now then oh my gosh this is completely wrong. I have heard about the immaculate conception but it was never taught in this way. For it was taught that Mary was sinless before chosen, then had Jesus as a virgin, and then stayed that way.

First with this is that Joseph was chosen by God to take Mary as his wife so that others would not stone her to death.
Because an unmarried woman who was pregnant with child in those days was to be stoned to death by the law.

Second Mary is of the same family as Elizabeth was she was Mary's relative, and Elizabeth was chosen by God and gave birth to John the Baptist.

Third the bible speaks of other children that Mary and Joseph had together !!!
OMG!!!!! I misunderstood the question!!!!!! Forget you people. i would say something else but that's the old me!
 
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The Roman Catholic Church teaches that Jesus Christ could not be born in a womb that had sin in it because the sin would spread to Jesus Christ and He would not be sinless then.

Therefore the Roman Catholic Church said Mary had to be without sin so her womb also would be without sin also and Jesus Christ would stay sinless.

But, here is the fun part.

The Roman Catholic Church teaches that Mary's Mother did not have to be without sin! That Mary being in a womb with sin by her own powers was able by herself to keep herself free from sin!

Do you see how powerless the Catholics believe God is? After all God could not keep Jesus Christ without sin, that only Mary could keep Jesus Christ without sin. AND Mary had the power by HERSELF to keep herself without sin!!!!

Do you see how the Catholics have elevated Mary WAY above God!
 
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The Roman Catholic Church teaches that Jesus Christ could not be born in a womb that had sin in it because the sin would spread to Jesus Christ and He would not be sinless then.

Therefore the Roman Catholic Church said Mary had to be without sin so her womb also would be without sin also and Jesus Christ would stay sinless.

But, here is the fun part.

The Roman Catholic Church teaches that Mary's Mother did not have to be without sin! That Mary being in a womb with sin by her own powers was able by herself to keep herself free from sin!

Do you see how powerless the Catholics believe God is? After all God could not keep Jesus Christ without sin, that only Mary could keep Jesus Christ without sin. AND Mary had the power by HERSELF to keep herself without sin!!!!

Do you see how the Catholics have elevated Mary WAY above God!
You're the one obsessed with Mary and you have the gonads to say that's all I talk about?