Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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that's ok 
perhaps they do but they fail miserably.
you mean the parts that Jesus did not recognise?
No like the RCs they claim additional 'revelation'. That is distortion.
well we do not know of such things over here. but Scripture is quite clear on the way of salvation. if people close their eyes to it is not because Scripture is unclear.
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but not because they have been deceived by Scripture. Scripture gives no suggestion of reincarnation
Sooo? your argument was that Scripture was not clear. Scripture is every clear on the matter.
LOL if you take your survey among reincarntionists you will get 100 % so what would that mean? unless you know the full basis of the survey, a survey means nothing.
LOL all recognised heresies. you did mix with some queer folk.
LOL next you will be saying that the fact that Jesus was 'David' meant He was reincarnated? Scripture makes clear that John came 'in the Spirit and power of Elijah'. Only people with sad minds would gain the wrong impression (extreme literalists)
Not reincarnation but pre-birth sin in the womb, 'I was shapen in iniquity'
Nonsense it simply shows God election. it suggests NOTHING about reincarnation.
Soooo? Not on the basis of Scripture.
Origen was a Gnostic and a gross heretic. Jerome was not a reliable guide. None of these got their positions from Scripture.
so how does this show that Scripture is unclear?
perhaps they do but they fail miserably.
you mean the parts that Jesus did not recognise?
No like the RCs they claim additional 'revelation'. That is distortion.
well we do not know of such things over here. but Scripture is quite clear on the way of salvation. if people close their eyes to it is not because Scripture is unclear.
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but not because they have been deceived by Scripture. Scripture gives no suggestion of reincarnation
Sooo? your argument was that Scripture was not clear. Scripture is every clear on the matter.
LOL if you take your survey among reincarntionists you will get 100 % so what would that mean? unless you know the full basis of the survey, a survey means nothing.
LOL all recognised heresies. you did mix with some queer folk.
LOL next you will be saying that the fact that Jesus was 'David' meant He was reincarnated? Scripture makes clear that John came 'in the Spirit and power of Elijah'. Only people with sad minds would gain the wrong impression (extreme literalists)
Not reincarnation but pre-birth sin in the womb, 'I was shapen in iniquity'
Nonsense it simply shows God election. it suggests NOTHING about reincarnation.
Soooo? Not on the basis of Scripture.
Origen was a Gnostic and a gross heretic. Jerome was not a reliable guide. None of these got their positions from Scripture.
so how does this show that Scripture is unclear?
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Good Lord ! It's 2.30am (Friday) here and I haven't been to bed yet .....
so just an easy one first.
"and a whole heap of other stuff in their version of the bible."
you mean the parts that Jesus did not recognise?
Newsflash, old mate. Jesus didn't "recognise" any of it.
None of it was written till long after his demise - mostly (if not entirely) by people who had never met or spoken to him.
so just an easy one first.
"and a whole heap of other stuff in their version of the bible."
you mean the parts that Jesus did not recognise?
Newsflash, old mate. Jesus didn't "recognise" any of it.
None of it was written till long after his demise - mostly (if not entirely) by people who had never met or spoken to him.
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Are you for real Pumicestone?
Who do you say wrote the Scriptures Pumicestone?
Do you not know or not care that the Scriptures was written by the Holy Spirit?
2 Timothy 3:16-17
[SUP]16 [/SUP] All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
All the Scriptures came from God through the writers who were writing what God told them.
Sounds to me Pumicestone that you really do not know anything about God and His Book the Bible.
Jesus IS God Pumicestone!
Who do you say wrote the Scriptures Pumicestone?
Do you not know or not care that the Scriptures was written by the Holy Spirit?
2 Timothy 3:16-17
[SUP]16 [/SUP] All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
All the Scriptures came from God through the writers who were writing what God told them.
Sounds to me Pumicestone that you really do not know anything about God and His Book the Bible.
Jesus IS God Pumicestone!
Its not MY version or YOUR version or the Catholic version that matters Punicestone.
ITS WHAT GOD SAYS IN THE SCRIPTURES THAT IS THE TRUTH!
Where in the Scriptures Pumicestone does God say Mary was without sin? Its not in the Scriptures. Therefore the Catholics version of the Scriptures is a false one Pumicestone because the Catholics teach Mary was without sin.
Where in the Scriptures Pumicestone does God say Mary was assumed into Heaven? Its not in the Scriptures. Therefore the Catholics version of the Scriptures is a false one Pumicestone because the Catholics teach Mary was assumed into Heaven.
Where in the Scriptures Pumicestone does God say Mary is helping God bring Salvation to the people? Its not in the Scriptures. Therefore the Catholics version of the Scriptures is a false one Pumicestone because the Catholics teach Mary is helping God to bring Salvation to the people.
Another thing they teach Pumicestone is that only Mary by being without sin could keep Jesus Christ free from sin, but yet Mary's Mother did not have to be without sin to keep Mare from sin. Do you see how the Catholics have made Mary equal to and greater then God?
This is why we True Christians need to bring the Gospel of Salvation to the Catholics who do not have the Truth in them.
You may call it bulling Pumicestone, but I call it trying to save their Souls from the Lake of Fire.
ITS WHAT GOD SAYS IN THE SCRIPTURES THAT IS THE TRUTH!
Where in the Scriptures Pumicestone does God say Mary was without sin? Its not in the Scriptures. Therefore the Catholics version of the Scriptures is a false one Pumicestone because the Catholics teach Mary was without sin.
Where in the Scriptures Pumicestone does God say Mary was assumed into Heaven? Its not in the Scriptures. Therefore the Catholics version of the Scriptures is a false one Pumicestone because the Catholics teach Mary was assumed into Heaven.
Where in the Scriptures Pumicestone does God say Mary is helping God bring Salvation to the people? Its not in the Scriptures. Therefore the Catholics version of the Scriptures is a false one Pumicestone because the Catholics teach Mary is helping God to bring Salvation to the people.
Another thing they teach Pumicestone is that only Mary by being without sin could keep Jesus Christ free from sin, but yet Mary's Mother did not have to be without sin to keep Mare from sin. Do you see how the Catholics have made Mary equal to and greater then God?
This is why we True Christians need to bring the Gospel of Salvation to the Catholics who do not have the Truth in them.
You may call it bulling Pumicestone, but I call it trying to save their Souls from the Lake of Fire.
Where two or more are gathered, Jesus Christ is with them.
Matthew 18:20
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them."
Sorry Valiant but Jesus Christ is there with the breaking of the bread.
Does this mean what the Catholics teach is True? No. It just means Jesus is with us when we break bread.
Matthew 18:20
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them."
Sorry Valiant but Jesus Christ is there with the breaking of the bread.
Does this mean what the Catholics teach is True? No. It just means Jesus is with us when we break bread.
that's ok
perhaps they do but they fail miserably.
you mean the parts that Jesus did not recognise?
No like the RCs they claim additional 'revelation'. That is distortion.
well we do not know of such things over here. but Scripture is quite clear on the way of salvation. if people close their eyes to it is not because Scripture is unclear.
................................................................................................................................
but not because they have been deceived by Scripture. Scripture gives no suggestion of reincarnation
Sooo? your argument was that Scripture was not clear. Scripture is every clear on the matter.
LOL if you take your survey among reincarntionists you will get 100 % so what would that mean? unless you know the full basis of the survey, a survey means nothing.
LOL all recognised heresies. you did mix with some queer folk.
LOL next you will be saying that the fact that Jesus was 'David' meant He was reincarnated? Scripture makes clear that John came 'in the Spirit and power of Elijah'. Only people with sad minds would gain the wrong impression (extreme literalists)
Not reincarnation but pre-birth sin in the womb, 'I was shapen in iniquity'
Nonsense it simply shows God election. it suggests NOTHING about reincarnation.
Soooo? Not on the basis of Scripture.
Origen was a Gnostic and a gross heretic. Jerome was not a reliable guide. None of these got their positions from Scripture.
so how does this show that Scripture is unclear?
perhaps they do but they fail miserably.
you mean the parts that Jesus did not recognise?
No like the RCs they claim additional 'revelation'. That is distortion.
well we do not know of such things over here. but Scripture is quite clear on the way of salvation. if people close their eyes to it is not because Scripture is unclear.
................................................................................................................................
but not because they have been deceived by Scripture. Scripture gives no suggestion of reincarnation
Sooo? your argument was that Scripture was not clear. Scripture is every clear on the matter.
LOL if you take your survey among reincarntionists you will get 100 % so what would that mean? unless you know the full basis of the survey, a survey means nothing.
LOL all recognised heresies. you did mix with some queer folk.
LOL next you will be saying that the fact that Jesus was 'David' meant He was reincarnated? Scripture makes clear that John came 'in the Spirit and power of Elijah'. Only people with sad minds would gain the wrong impression (extreme literalists)
Not reincarnation but pre-birth sin in the womb, 'I was shapen in iniquity'
Nonsense it simply shows God election. it suggests NOTHING about reincarnation.
Soooo? Not on the basis of Scripture.
Origen was a Gnostic and a gross heretic. Jerome was not a reliable guide. None of these got their positions from Scripture.
so how does this show that Scripture is unclear?
Here is the proof for the Rapture but I do know you will reject it mwc68 because the Catholic Church rejects it.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
[SUP]13 [/SUP] But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Therefore comfort one another with these words.
Salvation.
Acts 2:21
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the LORD Shall be saved.'
Acts 2:47
[SUP]47 [/SUP] praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.
Romans 10:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Ephesians 2:5
[SUP]5 [/SUP] even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
If we receive Salvation by calling on the Lord how can we lose our calling on the Lord and lose our salvation?
If we receive Salvation by confessing with our mouth how can you unconfess and lose our Salvation?
If we receive Salvation by Grace then what will cause us to lose Grace and lose our Salvation?
Sorry mwc68 but just because you follow what the Catholic Church says does not mean you have any Truth in you. Its what God says in the Scriptures that counts, not what the evil Catholic Church says. There is NO Salvation found in the Catholic Church because the Catholic Church was created by sinful men and not by God. Today the Catholic Church follows and Worships Mary as their God.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
[SUP]13 [/SUP] But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Therefore comfort one another with these words.
Salvation.
Acts 2:21
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the LORD Shall be saved.'
Acts 2:47
[SUP]47 [/SUP] praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.
Romans 10:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Ephesians 2:5
[SUP]5 [/SUP] even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
If we receive Salvation by calling on the Lord how can we lose our calling on the Lord and lose our salvation?
If we receive Salvation by confessing with our mouth how can you unconfess and lose our Salvation?
If we receive Salvation by Grace then what will cause us to lose Grace and lose our Salvation?
Sorry mwc68 but just because you follow what the Catholic Church says does not mean you have any Truth in you. Its what God says in the Scriptures that counts, not what the evil Catholic Church says. There is NO Salvation found in the Catholic Church because the Catholic Church was created by sinful men and not by God. Today the Catholic Church follows and Worships Mary as their God.
But only a simpleton could think it WAS His body and blood. He was IN His body and His blood was flowing through His veins. And He was in front of them. They could see Him. The Apostles knew that very well. They KNEW that He could not mean it literally. It was to be a remembrance.
Do you know what the words replaced? 'This is the bread which our fathers' ate when they were redeemed from Egypt'. But it was not REALLY that bread. It was a remembrance. In the same way the bread of Passover became a remembrance.
Do you know what the words replaced? 'This is the bread which our fathers' ate when they were redeemed from Egypt'. But it was not REALLY that bread. It was a remembrance. In the same way the bread of Passover became a remembrance.
Now you are simply being childish. We have the authority of Scripture by which all must be measured. Paul clearly said that at the Last Day those who were still alive would be changed and would be caught up to meet Him in the air. I wouldn't mock God's revelation if I were you. As for Christ's promise of eternal security to those who are truly His, it is written so clearly in Scripture that only the blind and unbelieving fail to see it. Perhaps you should open your eyes and ask to be able to see,
Originally Posted by valiant
But only a simpleton could think it WAS His body and blood. He was IN His body and His blood was flowing through His veins. And He was in front of them. They could see Him. The Apostles knew that very well. They KNEW that He could not mean it literally. It was to be a remembrance.
Do you know what the words replaced? 'This is the bread which our fathers' ate when they were redeemed from Egypt'. But it was not REALLY that bread. It was a remembrance. In the same way the bread of Passover became a remembrance.
Do you know what the words replaced? 'This is the bread which our fathers' ate when they were redeemed from Egypt'. But it was not REALLY that bread. It was a remembrance. In the same way the bread of Passover became a remembrance.