Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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I do not limit God in what He does, but then I do not call God a liar when He says everybody is a sinner, even Mary.
In fact mwc68 its you who are calling God a liar when He says for ALL have sinned.
My God is SO GREAT He does not need the help of Mary in keeping Jesus without sin!
I guess your God is SO WEAK mwc68 that He cannot do ANYTHING by Himself and needs the help of a Mary, a mere human.
I'm sorry to hear your God mwc68 is weaker than Mary. I sorry your God has no powers.
In fact my God is SO POWERFUL He can do everything by Himself!!
My God is limitless! Your God mwc68 is a weakling who cannot find his way out of a paper bag!
In fact mwc68 its you who are calling God a liar when He says for ALL have sinned.
My God is SO GREAT He does not need the help of Mary in keeping Jesus without sin!
I guess your God is SO WEAK mwc68 that He cannot do ANYTHING by Himself and needs the help of a Mary, a mere human.
I'm sorry to hear your God mwc68 is weaker than Mary. I sorry your God has no powers.
In fact my God is SO POWERFUL He can do everything by Himself!!
My God is limitless! Your God mwc68 is a weakling who cannot find his way out of a paper bag!
Wow!!! you don't know to much on WWII history do you? You really should read the book by the Israeli consul, Pinchas E. Lapide: 'Three Popes and the Jews' (New York: Hawthorn Books, Inc., 1967) According to his research, the Catholic Church under Pius XII was instrumental in saving 860,000 Jews from Nazi death camps (p. 214). Now, Could pope Pius XII have saved more lives by speaking out more forcefully? Well my uninformed one of WWII history, according to Lapide, the concentration camp prisoners did not want Pius to speak out openly (p. 247). As one jurist from the Nuremberg Trials said on WNBC in New York (Feb. 28, 1964), "Any words of Pius XII, directed against a madman like Hitler, would have brought on an even worse catastrophe... [and] accelerated the massacre of Jews and priests."
Even with that being said, Pope Pius XII was not totally silent either. Lapide notes a book by the Jewish historian, Jenoe Levai, entitled, 'The Church Did Not Keep Silent' (p. 256). He admits that everyone, including himself, could have done more. If we condemn Pius, then justice would demand condemning everyone else. He concludes by quoting from the Talmud that "whosoever preserves one life, it is accounted to him by Scripture as if he had preserved a whole world." With this he claims that Pius XII deserves a memorial forest of 860,000 trees in the Judean hills (pp. 268-9). Being your knowlege of WWII history is limted, you probably don't relize that along with the six million Jews killed by the Nazis, three million Catholics were killed in the Holocaust aswell. But then I guess you didn't know either that the Holocaust was also anti-Christian, and after Hitler revealed his true intentions, the Catholic Church opposed him.
Ever hear of Albert Einstein? Well, him being a Jew testified to that. According to the December 23, 1940 issue of Time magazine on page 38, Einstein said:
"Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks... Only the Catholic Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Catholic Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly."
Something else you probably dont know, in that same The December 23, 1940 issue of Time magazine, contains an interesting article about Christians living in Germany, both Catholic and Protestant, who opposed and suffered under the Nazis. On page 38, it claims that by late 1940 over 200,000 Christians were prisoners in Nazi concentration camps, with some estimates as high as 800,000. On page 40, it reports on the Archbishop of Munich, Michael Cardinal von Faulhaber, who led the Catholic opposition in Germany against the Nazis. In an Advent 1933 sermon, he preached: "Let us not forget that we were saved not by German blood but by the blood of Christ!" in response to Nazi racism. In 1934 the Cardinal "narrowly missed a Nazi bullet", while in 1938 a Nazi mob broke the windows in his residence. Even though he was over seventy and in poor health, he still led the Catholic German resistance against Hitler.
Pope Pius XII was a diplomat and not a radical preacher. He knew that he first needed to preserve Vatican neutrality so that Vatican City could be a refuge for war victims. Bet you didnt know that the International Red Cross also remained neutral did you?. Secondly, he knew how powerless he was against Hitler. Mussolini could quickly shut off electrical power to Vatican Radio during his broadcast (Lapide, p. 256). Finally the Nazis did not tolerate any protest and responded severely. As an example, the Catholic Archbishop of Utrecht in July 1942 protested in a pastoral letter against the Jewish persecutions in Holland. Immediately the Nazis rounded up as many Jews and Catholic non-Aryans as possible and deported them to death camps, including Blessed Edith Stein (Lapide, p. 246). Pius knew that every time he spoke out against Hitler, the Nazis could retaliate against the prisoners. His best attack against the Nazis was quiet diplomacy and behind-the-scenes action. According to The 1996 Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia (V8.01) under Pius XII, "Wishing to preserve Vatican neutrality, fearing reprisals, and realizing his impotence to stop the Holocaust, Pius nonetheless acted on an individual basis to save many Jews and others with church ransoms, documents, and asylum."
The charity and work of Pope Pius XII during World War II so impressed the Chief Rabbi of Rome, Israel Zolli, that in 1944 he was open to the grace of God which led him into the Catholic faith. As his baptismal name, he took the same one Pius had, Eugenio, as his own. Later Israel Eugenio Zolli wrote a book entitled, "Why I Became a Catholic." (Maybe you should read it too)
But Pope Pius XII was not completely silent either, especially in his Christmas messages. His 1941 and 1942 Christmas messages were both translated and published in The New York Times (Dec. 25, 1941, p. 20 & Dec. 25, 1942, p. 10). To prevent retaliation, he did not refer to Nazism by name, but people of that era still understood him, including the Nazis. According to The New York Times editorial on December 25, 1941 (Late Day edition, p. 24):
"The voice of Pius XII is a lonely voice in the silence and darkness enveloping Europe this Christmas... he is about the only ruler left on the Continent of Europe who dares to raise his voice at all... the Pope put himself squarely against Hitlerism... he left no doubt that the Nazi aims are also irreconcilable with his own conception of a Christian peace."
Also The New York Times editorial on December 25, 1942 (Late Day edition, p. 16) states:
"This Christmas more than ever he is a lonely voice crying out of the silence of a continent... Pope Pius expresses as passionately as any leader on our side the war aims of the struggle for freedom when he says that those who aim at building a new world must fight for free choice of government and religious order. They must refuse that the state should make of individuals a herd of whom the state disposes as if they were lifeless things." Both editorials recognize and highly praise Pius' words against Hitler and totalitarianism.
And in closing of your history lesson Prove-all, you also seem to have forgotten the tens of thousands of brave young Catholic (and Protestant) men that gave the ultimate sacrafice to free the Jews from their Nazi captors. Wow!!! [rolling eyes]
Pax Christi
"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." -- Luke 1:48.
Even with that being said, Pope Pius XII was not totally silent either. Lapide notes a book by the Jewish historian, Jenoe Levai, entitled, 'The Church Did Not Keep Silent' (p. 256). He admits that everyone, including himself, could have done more. If we condemn Pius, then justice would demand condemning everyone else. He concludes by quoting from the Talmud that "whosoever preserves one life, it is accounted to him by Scripture as if he had preserved a whole world." With this he claims that Pius XII deserves a memorial forest of 860,000 trees in the Judean hills (pp. 268-9). Being your knowlege of WWII history is limted, you probably don't relize that along with the six million Jews killed by the Nazis, three million Catholics were killed in the Holocaust aswell. But then I guess you didn't know either that the Holocaust was also anti-Christian, and after Hitler revealed his true intentions, the Catholic Church opposed him.
Ever hear of Albert Einstein? Well, him being a Jew testified to that. According to the December 23, 1940 issue of Time magazine on page 38, Einstein said:
"Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks... Only the Catholic Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Catholic Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly."
Something else you probably dont know, in that same The December 23, 1940 issue of Time magazine, contains an interesting article about Christians living in Germany, both Catholic and Protestant, who opposed and suffered under the Nazis. On page 38, it claims that by late 1940 over 200,000 Christians were prisoners in Nazi concentration camps, with some estimates as high as 800,000. On page 40, it reports on the Archbishop of Munich, Michael Cardinal von Faulhaber, who led the Catholic opposition in Germany against the Nazis. In an Advent 1933 sermon, he preached: "Let us not forget that we were saved not by German blood but by the blood of Christ!" in response to Nazi racism. In 1934 the Cardinal "narrowly missed a Nazi bullet", while in 1938 a Nazi mob broke the windows in his residence. Even though he was over seventy and in poor health, he still led the Catholic German resistance against Hitler.
Pope Pius XII was a diplomat and not a radical preacher. He knew that he first needed to preserve Vatican neutrality so that Vatican City could be a refuge for war victims. Bet you didnt know that the International Red Cross also remained neutral did you?. Secondly, he knew how powerless he was against Hitler. Mussolini could quickly shut off electrical power to Vatican Radio during his broadcast (Lapide, p. 256). Finally the Nazis did not tolerate any protest and responded severely. As an example, the Catholic Archbishop of Utrecht in July 1942 protested in a pastoral letter against the Jewish persecutions in Holland. Immediately the Nazis rounded up as many Jews and Catholic non-Aryans as possible and deported them to death camps, including Blessed Edith Stein (Lapide, p. 246). Pius knew that every time he spoke out against Hitler, the Nazis could retaliate against the prisoners. His best attack against the Nazis was quiet diplomacy and behind-the-scenes action. According to The 1996 Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia (V8.01) under Pius XII, "Wishing to preserve Vatican neutrality, fearing reprisals, and realizing his impotence to stop the Holocaust, Pius nonetheless acted on an individual basis to save many Jews and others with church ransoms, documents, and asylum."
The charity and work of Pope Pius XII during World War II so impressed the Chief Rabbi of Rome, Israel Zolli, that in 1944 he was open to the grace of God which led him into the Catholic faith. As his baptismal name, he took the same one Pius had, Eugenio, as his own. Later Israel Eugenio Zolli wrote a book entitled, "Why I Became a Catholic." (Maybe you should read it too)
But Pope Pius XII was not completely silent either, especially in his Christmas messages. His 1941 and 1942 Christmas messages were both translated and published in The New York Times (Dec. 25, 1941, p. 20 & Dec. 25, 1942, p. 10). To prevent retaliation, he did not refer to Nazism by name, but people of that era still understood him, including the Nazis. According to The New York Times editorial on December 25, 1941 (Late Day edition, p. 24):
"The voice of Pius XII is a lonely voice in the silence and darkness enveloping Europe this Christmas... he is about the only ruler left on the Continent of Europe who dares to raise his voice at all... the Pope put himself squarely against Hitlerism... he left no doubt that the Nazi aims are also irreconcilable with his own conception of a Christian peace."
Also The New York Times editorial on December 25, 1942 (Late Day edition, p. 16) states:
"This Christmas more than ever he is a lonely voice crying out of the silence of a continent... Pope Pius expresses as passionately as any leader on our side the war aims of the struggle for freedom when he says that those who aim at building a new world must fight for free choice of government and religious order. They must refuse that the state should make of individuals a herd of whom the state disposes as if they were lifeless things." Both editorials recognize and highly praise Pius' words against Hitler and totalitarianism.
And in closing of your history lesson Prove-all, you also seem to have forgotten the tens of thousands of brave young Catholic (and Protestant) men that gave the ultimate sacrafice to free the Jews from their Nazi captors. Wow!!! [rolling eyes]
Pax Christi
"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." -- Luke 1:48.
Sorry mwc68 but your God Mary can do nothing.
I find it amazing how much the Catholics will fight to defend their right to Worship Mary. Tell me mwc68 exactly what can Mary do for you that is impossible for God to do?
I know the Catholics believe its God and Mary, not God by Himself.
Why do you Catholics feel you need the help of Mary? Could it be because the Catholics have no use for God and want Mary instead?
Ever since God removed His Children from the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church has been walking farther and farther away from the Truth we have received from God.
Look at the Catholic Church today, its full of Idols, evil deeds, and false teachings. The Catholic Church is just one step away from declaring itself God.
I find it amazing how much the Catholics will fight to defend their right to Worship Mary. Tell me mwc68 exactly what can Mary do for you that is impossible for God to do?
I know the Catholics believe its God and Mary, not God by Himself.
Why do you Catholics feel you need the help of Mary? Could it be because the Catholics have no use for God and want Mary instead?
Ever since God removed His Children from the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church has been walking farther and farther away from the Truth we have received from God.
Look at the Catholic Church today, its full of Idols, evil deeds, and false teachings. The Catholic Church is just one step away from declaring itself God.
Actually they do Worship Mary and its MANDATORY to pray the Rosary to her.
The saving role of Mary has been asserted by numerous Popes.
Leo XIII declared in his 1891 Rosary encyclical "Octobri mense", "Nobody can approach Christ except through the mother."
Pius X (1903-1914), asserted that Mary is "the dispenser of ALL gifts which Jesus has acquired for us by His death and His blood."
Its Jesus Christ that dispenses all His gifts to us, NOT MARY!
Pius XI (1922-1939) said, "With Jesus, Mary has redeemed the human race."
Pius XII (1939-1958), in his 1943 encyclical "Mystici Corporis," spoke of Mary, "who, free from ALL sin, original or personal, and always most intimately united with her Son, offered him on Golgotha to the eternal Father, for all the children of Adam."
Its interesting that Jesus offered up His life on the Cross for us that the shedding of His Blood would wash us clean of all our sins. But yet the Catholics teach it was Mary who offered up Jesus on the Cross, not God!
See how the Catholics Worship Mary as their God! Even though they deny it, they do look to Mary as their God!
The saving role of Mary has been asserted by numerous Popes.
Leo XIII declared in his 1891 Rosary encyclical "Octobri mense", "Nobody can approach Christ except through the mother."
Pius X (1903-1914), asserted that Mary is "the dispenser of ALL gifts which Jesus has acquired for us by His death and His blood."
Its Jesus Christ that dispenses all His gifts to us, NOT MARY!
Pius XI (1922-1939) said, "With Jesus, Mary has redeemed the human race."
Pius XII (1939-1958), in his 1943 encyclical "Mystici Corporis," spoke of Mary, "who, free from ALL sin, original or personal, and always most intimately united with her Son, offered him on Golgotha to the eternal Father, for all the children of Adam."
Its interesting that Jesus offered up His life on the Cross for us that the shedding of His Blood would wash us clean of all our sins. But yet the Catholics teach it was Mary who offered up Jesus on the Cross, not God!
See how the Catholics Worship Mary as their God! Even though they deny it, they do look to Mary as their God!
