Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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dallasb78

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All that I have to say to you, is the same thing that God is saying to you:

"Come out of her, my people,’so that you will not share in her sins,so that you will not receive any of her plagues; for her sins are piled
up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes."

Come out of that pagan system of Roman Catholicism. For by believing in her teachings and partaking in her pagan practices, you are committing spiritual adultery by being associated with her.
I will not. Catholics are not pagan. Like the apostles said, I say: "Lord, To whom shall I go? You have the words of eternal life"
 
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Again, Jesus said that he was speaking spiritually. I pointed out the proof that Jesus did not cut off his flesh and spill his blood at the supper, but it was bread and wine that he gave them, which were figurative of his flesh and blood. You guy's asked about why there is division, you are perfect examples of allowing the false teachings of the RCC to dominate your understanding of the word of God, instead of reading them yourselves without the bias of the RCC.
I could say the same for you in allowing a misintepretation to dominate your understanding
 

blue_ladybug

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I will not. Catholics are not pagan. Like the apostles said, I say: "Lord, To whom shall I go? You have the words of eternal life"
Catholics ARE pagan, since many pray to Mary and ask her to answer prayer and intercede to Jesus for them. And those who pray to a statue, are committing idol worship and THAT IS a pagan practice. Mary does not hear your prayers, she cannot answer them, and she definitely does NOT intercede to Jesus. She is not to be prayed to, and she doesn't have supernatural power. Some catholics don't even believe that Jesus is the son of God. :/ So YES, catholicism IS a pagan religion.
 

dallasb78

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Catholics ARE pagan, since many pray to Mary and ask her to answer prayer and intercede to Jesus for them. And those who pray to a statue, are committing idol worship and THAT IS a pagan practice. Mary does not hear your prayers, she cannot answer them, and she definitely does NOT intercede to Jesus. She is not to be prayed to, and she doesn't have supernatural power. Some catholics don't even believe that Jesus is the son of God. :/ So YES, catholicism IS a pagan religion.
Prayer is just a form of communication, not worship. She hears them because she is saved and is alive like any saint. There is no true catholic that doesn't believe that Jesus is the Son of God, as this is defined as dogma in the Catechism. Some Catholics may not believe that but they are not practicing the faith. Is their any other teachings of the church you object to?
 

blue_ladybug

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Prayer is just a form of communication, not worship. She hears them because she is saved and is alive like any saint. There is no true catholic that doesn't believe that Jesus is the Son of God, as this is defined as dogma in the Catechism. Some Catholics may not believe that but they are not practicing the faith. Is their any other teachings of the church you object to?

Prayer TO THE PROPER PERSON is a form of communication. That prayer being to Jesus. If you pray to Mary it's only just idol worship. Mary is not the one to be prayed to. And no, she doesn't hear your prayers. Sorry, but she doesn't. Nowhere in the bible does it say that she does, OR that she is to be prayed to. Praying to anyone other than God or Jesus Christ, is wrong and it's idolatry.
 

dallasb78

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Catholics ARE pagan, since many pray to Mary and ask her to answer prayer and intercede to Jesus for them. And those who pray to a statue, are committing idol worship and THAT IS a pagan practice. Mary does not hear your prayers, she cannot answer them, and she definitely does NOT intercede to Jesus. She is not to be prayed to, and she doesn't have supernatural power. Some catholics don't even believe that Jesus is the son of God. :/ So YES, catholicism IS a pagan religion.
I forgot to add that idol worship constitutes believing that the spirit of the thing being prayed to is present in the statue. Catholics don't believe Mary's spirit exists within the statue.
 

dallasb78

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Prayer TO THE PROPER PERSON is a form of communication. That prayer being to Jesus. If you pray to Mary it's only just idol worship. Mary is not the one to be prayed to. And no, she doesn't hear your prayers. Sorry, but she doesn't. Nowhere in the bible does it say that she does, OR that she is to be prayed to. Praying to anyone other than God or Jesus Christ, is wrong and it's idolatry.
We'll have to disagree on that. Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that we are only to pray to God?
 

Dan_473

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Scripture can and should be properly interpreted by the individual who has the Holy Spirit and studies.
I think this is an assumption, one that I'm not sure about myself...

What is that you are trying proclaim anyway, that individuals should not study, but get their teachings from the church only? If that is what you are claiming, then it leaves the individual open to be deceived. How would an individual know the true teaching from a false teaching in that case?
if the body of Christ as a whole can be decieved, then, imo, Jesus wasn't successful in building his church...
 

Ahwatukee

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I think this is an assumption, one that I'm not sure about myself...



if the body of Christ as a whole can be decieved, then, imo, Jesus wasn't successful in building his church...
No, it means that the whole body is listening and excepting the same false teachings without questioning them, like the RCC, Mormonism, the Witnesses and every other false teaching. Groups of people are deceived because they are trusting in those teachers of that specific teaching. For example, in the book of Revelation is states that during the time of the beast's reign, that the false prophet is going to cause many to receive that mark in their right hand or forehead and that without it no one will be able to buy or sell. Well, I read that and I know that according to scripture to receive that mark would be to rebel against God and seal one's fate. Yet, we read that many indeed will receive that mark during that time. Why is that? I mean, if it is written right in the word of God, not to receive the mark, how is that people are still going to receive it? The answer is, because that false prophet, who will be a religious leader, will be performing miracles, signs and wonders, for the purpose of deceiving the inhabitants of the earth and so they will think that he is performing those things by the power of God and they will just follow his instructions as a religious leader and the receive the mark at his say so. It is not Jesus fault if people allow themselves to be deceived, for he gives us warning from his word, but many put their trust in men instead of the word of God.
 
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Again, Jesus said that he was speaking spiritually. I pointed out the proof that Jesus did not cut off his flesh and spill his blood at the supper, but it was bread and wine that he gave them, which were figurative of his flesh and blood. You guy's asked about why there is division, you are perfect examples of allowing the false teachings of the RCC to dominate your understanding of the word of God, instead of reading them yourselves without the bias of the RCC.
For my flesh is food indeed. (Read the emphasis here. Indeed, meaning it is food. This is also translated as, "my flesh is true food." No matter how you want to try to spin this. This will always be a stumbling block, if you seek the truth in Scripture. Or you can deny it and run from it, only to have it be made present when you meet Him.)
 

Ahwatukee

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For my flesh is food indeed. (Read the emphasis here. Indeed, meaning it is food. This is also translated as, "my flesh is true food." No matter how you want to try to spin this. This will always be a stumbling block, if you seek the truth in Scripture. Or you can deny it and run from it, only to have it be made present when you meet Him.)
I feel sad for you and all who believe this, as Jesus is obviously speaking figuratively. Jesus also said that he was the sheep gate and the bread that came down from heaven, does that mean that he's a literal sheep gate and a literal loaf of bread? Of course not! The problem with you and others as I have been saying, is that you are adhering to the teachings of Roman Catholicism and ignoring scripture. When Jesus said to his other disciples besides the twelve, that unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you, they stopped following him, because they didn't understand that he was speaking figuratively. It is amazing to me how Satan distorts scripture and people follow after it.
 

dallasb78

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I feel sad for you and all who believe this, as Jesus is obviously speaking figuratively. Jesus also said that he was the sheep gate and the bread that came down from heaven, does that mean that he's a literal sheep gate and a literal loaf of bread? Of course not! The problem with you and others as I have been saying, is that you are adhering to the teachings of Roman Catholicism and ignoring scripture. When Jesus said to his other disciples besides the twelve, that unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you, they stopped following him, because they didn't understand that he was speaking figuratively. It is amazing to me how Satan distorts scripture and people follow after it.
With respect, it is you you are not looking at the clear meaning of the verse. See one of my previous posts. It clearly explains the verses in question. Also keep in mind ALL Christians until a little after the protestant revolution believed in the real presence. This fact speaks volumes.
 
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With respect, it is you you are not looking at the clear meaning of the verse. See one of my previous posts. It clearly explains the verses in question. Also keep in mind ALL Christians until a little after the protestant revolution believed in the real presence. This fact speaks volumes.
Also keep in mind ALL Christians until a little after the protestant revolution believed in the real presence.

Care to provide proof to back this?
You cannot! You have bought the RC distortion as well.
 

dallasb78

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Also keep in mind ALL Christians until a little after the protestant revolution believed in the real presence.

Care to provide proof to back this?
You cannot! You have bought the RC distortion as well.

St. Ignatius
Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. They have no regard for charity, none for the widow, the orphan, the oppressed, none for the man in prison, the hungry or the thirsty. They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead."
"Letter to the Smyrnaeans", paragraph 6. circa 80-110 A.D.

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"Take care, then who belong to God and to Jesus Christ - they are with the bishop. And those who repent and come to the unity of the Church - they too shall be of God, and will be living according to Jesus Christ. Do not err, my brethren: if anyone follow a schismatic, he will not inherit the Kingdom of God. If any man walk about with strange doctrine, he cannot lie down with the passion. Take care, then, to use one Eucharist, so that whatever you do, you do according to God: for there is one Flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ, and one cup in the union of His Blood; one altar, as there is one bishop with the presbytery and my fellow servants, the deacons."
-Epistle to the Philadelphians, 3:2-4:1, 110 A.D.


[h=3]St. Athanasius[/h]'The great Athanasius in his sermon to the newly baptized says this:' You shall see the Levites bringing loaves and a cup of wine, and placing them on the table. So long as the prayers of supplication and entreaties have not been made, there is only bread and wine. But after the great and wonderful prayers have been completed, then the bread is become the Body, and the wine the Blood, of our Lord Jesus Christ. 'And again:' Let us approach the celebration of the mysteries. This bread and this wine, so long as the prayers and supplications have not taken place, remain simply what they are. But after the great prayers and holy supplications have been sent forth, the Word comes down into the bread and wine - and thus His Body is confected.",
-"Sermon to the Newly Baptized" ante 373 A.D.


There are other saints as well that I didn't list. Belief in the Sacrament as figurative didn't begin until Huldrych Zwingli(1484-153). In fact Martin Luther believed in it.
 
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St. Ignatius
Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. They have no regard for charity, none for the widow, the orphan, the oppressed, none for the man in prison, the hungry or the thirsty. They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead."
"Letter to the Smyrnaeans", paragraph 6. circa 80-110 A.D.

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"Take care, then who belong to God and to Jesus Christ - they are with the bishop. And those who repent and come to the unity of the Church - they too shall be of God, and will be living according to Jesus Christ. Do not err, my brethren: if anyone follow a schismatic, he will not inherit the Kingdom of God. If any man walk about with strange doctrine, he cannot lie down with the passion. Take care, then, to use one Eucharist, so that whatever you do, you do according to God: for there is one Flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ, and one cup in the union of His Blood; one altar, as there is one bishop with the presbytery and my fellow servants, the deacons."
-Epistle to the Philadelphians, 3:2-4:1, 110 A.D.


St. Athanasius

'The great Athanasius in his sermon to the newly baptized says this:' You shall see the Levites bringing loaves and a cup of wine, and placing them on the table. So long as the prayers of supplication and entreaties have not been made, there is only bread and wine. But after the great and wonderful prayers have been completed, then the bread is become the Body, and the wine the Blood, of our Lord Jesus Christ. 'And again:' Let us approach the celebration of the mysteries. This bread and this wine, so long as the prayers and supplications have not taken place, remain simply what they are. But after the great prayers and holy supplications have been sent forth, the Word comes down into the bread and wine - and thus His Body is confected.",
-"Sermon to the Newly Baptized" ante 373 A.D.


There are other saints as well that I didn't list. Belief in the Sacrament as figurative didn't begin until Huldrych Zwingli(1484-153). In fact Martin Luther believed in it.
This is NOT proof.


 

blue_ladybug

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We'll have to disagree on that. Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that we are only to pray to God?

I have the best evidence of all. :) The bible specifically states, and I quote verbatim, "thou shall have no other gods before me." This means we are not to worship other gods, whether they be statues, or false gods such as Mohammed or Buddha. Even ordinary people can be worshipped as gods. Many actors and singers are revered as gods. A few who come to mind are those who were given "royal" titles, such as Michael Jackson (The King of Pop), Elvis Presley (The King of Rock N Roll) and James Brown, who was known as the "Godfather of Soul." People even worshipped Princess Diana and Mother Teresa when they were alive. NONE of these people are, or were, gods. ANYONE who prays to a graven image, or a person/entity other than Jesus, is guilty of idol worship.

The bible also states "thou shall not have or create any graven image." That means any image that can be made out of stone or metal or other such substance, or even a painting or drawing of someone such as Mary.

Are you gonna dispute what the bible clearly says?
 
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We'll have to disagree on that. Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that we are only to pray to God?
Did you actually just ask that?

Ephesians 3:12
In Him and through faith in Him [Christ] we may enter God's presence with boldness and confidence.


And here is what we DONT do:

Exodus 20:3
"You shall have no other gods before me.



Mother Mary at the wedding feast of Cana (John 2:1-12)
though JESUS protested it was not yet time for miracles
you successfully interceded with Him for a family's temporal need
please now intercede with your divine Son
for each person's temporal and spiritual needs.
Thank you Mother


This is praying to the mother of Jesus who was MORTAL FLESH and had to SURRENDER TO CHRIST FOR SALVATION> How do you suppose she can hear you much less usher in prayers to Christ. [the voice you hear is that of a demon called a familiar spirit]


The Lord has said the moment we die we are in an instant with him. She cant hear you!! Nor is she part of the TRINITY!!

RC is always working to be saved and that is why you are afraid to approach the thrown on your own.

You will get what you have asked for if you do not repent. Your works is as those who made to themselves a golden calf. Repent of your idoltary and be saved.


Christ and evil do not hang out together

 
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dallasb78

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I have the best evidence of all. :) The bible specifically states, and I quote verbatim, "thou shall have no other gods before me." This means we are not to worship other gods, whether they be statues, or false gods such as Mohammed or Buddha. Even ordinary people can be worshipped as gods. Many actors and singers are revered as gods. A few who come to mind are those who were given "royal" titles, such as Michael Jackson (The King of Pop), Elvis Presley (The King of Rock N Roll) and James Brown, who was known as the "Godfather of Soul." People even worshipped Princess Diana and Mother Teresa when they were alive. NONE of these people are, or were, gods. ANYONE who prays to a graven image, or a person/entity other than Jesus, is guilty of idol worship.

The bible also states "thou shall not have or create any graven image." That means any image that can be made out of stone or metal or other such substance, or even a painting or drawing of someone such as Mary.

Are you gonna dispute what the bible clearly says?
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me" refers to worshiping other gods or placing anything in your life before God. It has nothing to do with prayer. "Thou shalt not create any graven image" is related to the first commandment and refers to worshiping graven images. We do not worship graven images. We do use them, but not for worship.
 

dallasb78

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"Thou shalt have no other gods before me" refers to worshiping other gods or placing anything in your life before God. It has nothing to do with prayer. "Thou shalt not create any graven image" is related to the first commandment and refers to worshiping graven images. We do not worship graven images. We do use them, but not for worship.
Also, I agree there is far to much worship of celebrity in our society.