Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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mailmandan

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Where in this verse does it say scripture alone? It says scripture is good, but does not say it is the sole source. Paul wrote to adhere to ALL teaching whether by letter or word of mouth. Paul did not say the bible is your only authority.
2 Timothy 3:16 says that all SCRIPTURE is inspired by God.. Not Scripture "plus something else." It is true that the New Testament speaks of following the "traditions" (teachings) of the apostles, whether oral or written. This is because they were living authorities set up by Christ (Matthew 18:18; Acts 2:42; Eph. 2:20). When they died, however, there was no longer a living apostolic authority since only those who were eyewitnesses of the resurrected Christ could have apostolic authority (Acts 1:22; 1 Corinthians 9:1). Because the New Testament is the only inspired (infallible) record of what the apostles taught, it follows that since the death of the apostles the only apostolic authority we have is the inspired record of their teaching in the New Testament. That is, all apostolic tradition (teaching) on faith and practice (even by word of mouth at that time prior to the completion of the Bible) is in the New Testament. All apostolic teaching that God deemed necessary for the faith and practice of the church was preserved (2 Timothy 3:15-17). It is only reasonable to infer that God would preserve what He inspired. The fact that apostles sometimes referred to "traditions" they gave orally as authoritative in no way diminishes the Protestant argument for sola Scriptura. The oral teachings of the apostles are only inspired because they were recorded as Scripture. What Roman Catholics must prove, and cannot, is that the God who deemed it so important for the faith and morals of the faithful to inspire the inscripturation of 27 books of apostolic teaching would have left out some important revelation in these books.
 

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I trust the Magesterium that has been doing this for 2,000 years . Private interpreting brings about division as we see in the many Protestant churches
Don't buy into that Roman Catholic sales pitch. Paul commended the Bereans for using Scripture to verify the veracity of his teaching. "They received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true" (Acts 17:11). Here is an apostle, who wrote over half the New Testament, being held accountable to Scripture. This should be an exhortation for all of us to carefully challenge the teachings of every teacher! Every preacher, teacher, pastor, pope and priest should come under the same type of scrutiny. Don’t miss the fact that it was the lay people of the church who were individually responsible to interpret and test Paul’s teaching in the light of God’s word. We must all be good Bereans and reject any teaching not in harmony with Scripture.

It's clear that the Scriptures were written for individuals, not to a Magisterium or a group of clergymen. John wrote his gospel to all people, persuading them to believe in Jesus Christ (John 3:16,16,18). His first epistle was written to all believers in Christ to give them assurance of eternal life (1 John 5:13). The Bible never directs us to another man, another book or another authority to interpret the Scriptures for us. For Roman Catholics to blindly rely on the Magisterium to interpret God’s message for them is foolish and dangerous! God’s message of love, mercy and grace is not too difficult to understand. He does not try to confuse anyone who seeks Him through His word. The Gospel is so simple that children can understand it, yet so profound that theologians spend an entire lifetime trying to grasp the infinite riches of God’s amazing grace. 2 Timothy 2:15 - Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. That is our personal responsibility.
 
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Don't buy into that Roman Catholic sales pitch. Paul commended the Bereans for using Scripture to verify the veracity of his teaching. "They received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true" (Acts 17:11). Here is an apostle, who wrote over half the New Testament, being held accountable to Scripture. This should be an exhortation for all of us to carefully challenge the teachings of every teacher! Every preacher, teacher, pastor, pope and priest should come under the same type of scrutiny. Don’t miss the fact that it was the lay people of the church who were individually responsible to interpret and test Paul’s teaching in the light of God’s word. We must all be good Bereans and reject any teaching not in harmony with Scripture.

It's clear that the Scriptures were written for individuals, not to a Magisterium or a group of clergymen. John wrote his gospel to all people, persuading them to believe in Jesus Christ (John 3:16,16,18). His first epistle was written to all believers in Christ to give them assurance of eternal life (1 John 5:13). The Bible never directs us to another man, another book or another authority to interpret the Scriptures for us. For Roman Catholics to blindly rely on the Magisterium to interpret God’s message for them is foolish and dangerous! God’s message of love, mercy and grace is not too difficult to understand. He does not try to confuse anyone who seeks Him through His word. The Gospel is so simple that children can understand it, yet so profound that theologians spend an entire lifetime trying to grasp the infinite riches of God’s amazing grace. 2 Timothy 2:15 - Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. That is our personal responsibility.
What protestants must prove is all the division claiming to be led by the Holy Spirit
 
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What protestants must prove is all the division claiming to be led by the Holy Spirit
Please explain the thoussands of protestant churches being led in different directions by the Holy Spirit
 
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Im asking that with all the threads here that have so many different views, how can you all be led by the same Holy Spirit? Doesn't make sense or the Holy Spirit is a split personality.
 
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What everyone must understand is the Catholic Church believes there are Truths in the lies that Satan teaches. If not all the Truth is in the Scriptures then where does this Truth come from if its not from God?

IF there is Truth outside of God that God does not have then God is not all powerful!

What the Catholics have done is bring down God to the level of man and has elevated Satan above God!

By saying Satan has Truths that are not in the Scriptures then the Catholics are saying God is NOT God.

You must understand the great Pride the Catholics have in their opinion that only they have all the Truth and no one else but the Catholic Church has these Truths.

What you Catholics need to understand is that all you are doing is hurting yourselves. By insisting that lies from Satan are Truths outside of the Scriptures you are fighting against God, not against me.

Its God whom you are fighting against when you insist there are sources outside of God and the Scriptures that has the Truth. Its God who will Judge you for teaching lies in His name. Its God who will cast you into the Lake of Fire for Worshiping and Serving Mary as your god!

You are not hurting us True Christians with your lies from Satan, you are hurting only yourselves. Its you who will spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire with your Mary you Worship as god.

Nothing you can say or will say will keep me from entering into Heaven. I am full of Grace,I have accepted Jesus as my Lord, I have received Salvation, I have been made Righteous, I have been Justified, and I have been Sanctified by God!

Can you Catholics say the same? No you cannot.
 
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What everyone must understand is the Catholic Church believes there are Truths in the lies that Satan teaches. If not all the Truth is in the Scriptures then where does this Truth come from if its not from God?

IF there is Truth outside of God that God does not have then God is not all powerful!

What the Catholics have done is bring down God to the level of man and has elevated Satan above God!

By saying Satan has Truths that are not in the Scriptures then the Catholics are saying God is NOT God.

You must understand the great Pride the Catholics have in their opinion that only they have all the Truth and no one else but the Catholic Church has these Truths.

What you Catholics need to understand is that all you are doing is hurting yourselves. By insisting that lies from Satan are Truths outside of the Scriptures you are fighting against God, not against me.

Its God whom you are fighting against when you insist there are sources outside of God and the Scriptures that has the Truth. Its God who will Judge you for teaching lies in His name. Its God who will cast you into the Lake of Fire for Worshiping and Serving Mary as your god!

You are not hurting us True Christians with your lies from Satan, you are hurting only yourselves. Its you who will spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire with your Mary you Worship as god.

Nothing you can say or will say will keep me from entering into Heaven. I am full of Grace,I have accepted Jesus as my Lord, I have received Salvation, I have been made Righteous, I have been Justified, and I have been Sanctified by God!

Can you Catholics say the same? No you cannot.
Yes, I can say the same. Can you please point to any Catholic teaching that says to follow satan? I would like to know where you learned this because it's not Catholic teaching
 
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There are some protestants that fall into the same trap as the pharisees. Consider the following verses:

You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. John 3:59

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Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. John 6:53

"Verily, verily" means the following words are meant to be taken at face value or literally. Believing in the Bible alone will not save you.

 

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Nice try! The true Church is the pillar of truth because it adheres to the word of God and not by its own teachings. The church is not its own authority, but looks to the word of God as its source for all truth. What you described above allows those who lead the church to dictate scripture and any new teachings. If the RCC or any entity teaches anything that is contrary to scripture, then scripture is the authority. The Berean's searched the scriptures daily to see if what Paul said was the truth. They didn't take him at his word or consult the Church, but checked the scriptures themselves. All believer's should do the same. That being said, if anyone's church is preaching anything that is contrary to scripture, they should be concerned and look into it a believer in Christ. The word of God is the authority over all.
again, this assumes that scripture can be properly interpreted by the individual, imo...
 

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hmm, I don't know what you mean by assumption.

The bible said Holy Spirit will teach us, is that assumption?
here's the assumption... the "us"... is it teach each one of us seperately, or teach the body of Christ as a whole?
 

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again, this assumes that scripture can be properly interpreted by the individual, imo...
Scripture can and should be properly interpreted by the individual who has the Holy Spirit and studies. All believers should be studying the word of God and whatever they are taught in church, it should be weighed against scripture. People should know the word of God for themselves so that no one can deceive them. The word of God is meant to be studied and known by each individual believer. What is that you are trying proclaim anyway, that individuals should not study, but get their teachings from the church only? If that is what you are claiming, then it leaves the individual open to be deceived. How would an individual know the true teaching from a false teaching in that case?
 
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Scripture can and should be properly interpreted by the individual who has the Holy Spirit and studies. All believers should be studying the word of God and whatever they are taught in church, it should be weighed against scripture. People should know the word of God for themselves so that no one can deceive them. The word of God is meant to be studied and known by each individual believer. What is that you are trying proclaim anyway, that individuals should not study, but get their teachings from the church only? If that is what you are claiming, then it leaves the individual open to be deceived. How would an individual know the true teaching from a false teaching in that case?
Catholics are encouraged to read the Bible and study on their own. The problem with private interpreting can be the human condition. Feelings get in the way and you end up with a bad interpretation. The Holy Spirit gives guidance to the church as a whole. Like I said before, with all this private interpreting all claiming the Holy Spirit, why is there so much division?
 

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There are some protestants that fall into the same trap as the pharisees. Consider the following verses:

You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. John 5:39


Jesus said the above to the Jewish leaders because, though they studied the scriptures, they trusted in Moses who wrote about Christ, but they didn't believe in him. By the way, there is no John 3:59, the verse you quoted is John 5:39.

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. John 6:53

"Verily, verily" means the following words are meant to be taken at face value or literally. Believing in the Bible alone will not save you.
Having faith in Christ as the One who paid the penalty for sins is how one is saved. The word of God is the only source of truth for the believer. What are you claiming from the above verses?

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. John 6:53
The above verse regarding eating the flesh and drinking his blood of the Son of Man is meant to be taken figuratively.

"While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take it; this is my body.” Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, and they all drank from it. “This is my blood of the[SUP] [/SUP]covenant, which is poured out for many,” he said to them. “Truly I tell you, I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”

In the scripture above, it says that "Jesus took bread" (not his flesh) and broke it and gave it to his disciples and said this my body. So the bread is figurative of his body that was broken for us. The same thing is true with the cup. He took the cup and gave it to them to drink saying, "this is my blood of the covenant," which as we know was wine because afterwards, regarding the contents in the cup, Jesus says, "I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God." Therefore, the bread is figurative for representing his body that was broken for us and the wine is figurative for his blood that was shed for us. These verses are not claiming that we should literally eat the flesh and blood of Jesus. For one, it would go against what God said about life being in the blood of an animal and that the blood is not to be eaten (Lev.17:10).

Furthermore, if the scriptures above were meant to be taken literally, then Jesus would not have broken bread, but would have cut off his flesh and filled the cup with his blood to give to his disciples. Jesus clarified that he was speaking spiritually and not literally when he said, “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.” Jesus specifically stated that His words are “spirit.” Jesus was using physical concepts, eating and drinking, to teach a spiritual truth. Just as consuming physical food and drink sustains our physical bodies, so are our spiritual lives saved and built up by spiritually receiving Him, by grace through faith. Eating Jesus’ flesh and drinking His blood are symbols of fully and completely receiving Him into our lives.






 
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Jesus said the above to the Jewish leaders because, though they studied the scriptures, they trusted in Moses who wrote about Christ, but they didn't believe in him. By the way, there is no John 3:59, the verse you quoted is John 5:39.



Having faith in Christ as the One who paid the penalty for sins is how one is saved. The word of God is the only source of truth for the believer. What are you claiming from the above verses?



The above verse regarding eating the flesh and drinking his blood of the Son of Man is meant to be taken figuratively.

"While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take it; this is my body.” Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, and they all drank from it. “This is my blood of the[SUP] [/SUP]covenant, which is poured out for many,” he said to them. “Truly I tell you, I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”

In the scripture above, it says that "Jesus took bread" (not his flesh) and broke it and gave it to his disciples and said this my body. So the bread is figurative of his body that was broken for us. The same thing is true with the cup. He took the cup and gave it to them to drink saying, "this is my blood of the covenant," which as we know was wine because afterwards, regarding the contents in the cup, Jesus says, "I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God." Therefore, the bread is figurative for representing his body that was broken for us and the wine is figurative for his blood that was shed for us. These verses are not claiming that we should literally eat the flesh and blood of Jesus. For one, it would go against what God said about life being in the blood of an animal and that the blood is not to be eaten (Lev.17:10).

Furthermore, if the scriptures above were meant to be taken literally, then Jesus would not have broken bread, but would have cut off his flesh and filled the cup with his blood to give to his disciples. Jesus clarified that he was speaking spiritually and not literally when he said, “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.” Jesus specifically stated that His words are “spirit.” Jesus was using physical concepts, eating and drinking, to teach a spiritual truth. Just as consuming physical food and drink sustains our physical bodies, so are our spiritual lives saved and built up by spiritually receiving Him, by grace through faith. Eating Jesus’ flesh and drinking His blood are symbols of fully and completely receiving Him into our lives.






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Catholics are encouraged to read the Bible and study on their own. The problem with private interpreting can be the human condition. Feelings get in the way and you end up with a bad interpretation. The Holy Spirit gives guidance to the church as a whole. Like I said before, with all this private interpreting all claiming the Holy Spirit, why is there so much division?
I have studied all my life and my personal feelings have not corrupted my understanding of scripture. The bottom line is that, when a believer receives teaching from their pastor or anyone else, they should be doing their own studies and checking to see if those teachings are in agreement with scripture, otherwise, that person is susceptible to false teachings. An individual can't just blindly take what is being taught as the truth. They need to be familiar themselves with God's word so that no one can deceive them. For each believer the word of God should come first as the authority of truth and if what is being taught agrees with scripture, then the individual can be in agreement with what was taught.

Like I said before, with all this private interpreting all claiming the Holy Spirit, why is there so much division?
Because people get their information from the internet, books, seminars, videos, etc., and replace that information with the word of God, as well as allowing teachers to dictate scripture them. Not everyone who says they belong to Christ is of Christ and therefore they do not have the Holy Spirit. The reason that there is so much division is because Satan has inundated the world with false teachers who are those weeds spoken of in the parable of Mt.13. Satan is the one causing these divisions and he is using those human beings who belong to him to accomplish it.
 

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Jesus said the above to the Jewish leaders because, though they studied the scriptures, they trusted in Moses who wrote about Christ, but they didn't believe in him. By the way, there is no John 3:59, the verse you quoted is John 5:39.



Having faith in Christ as the One who paid the penalty for sins is how one is saved. The word of God is the only source of truth for the believer. What are you claiming from the above verses?



The above verse regarding eating the flesh and drinking his blood of the Son of Man is meant to be taken figuratively.

"While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take it; this is my body.” Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, and they all drank from it. “This is my blood of thecovenant, which is poured out for many,” he said to them. “Truly I tell you, I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”

In the scripture above, it says that "Jesus took bread" (not his flesh) and broke it and gave it to his disciples and said this my body. So the bread is figurative of his body that was broken for us. The same thing is true with the cup. He took the cup and gave it to them to drink saying, "this is my blood of the covenant," which as we know was wine because afterwards, regarding the contents in the cup, Jesus says, "I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God." Therefore, the bread is figurative for representing his body that was broken for us and the wine is figurative for his blood that was shed for us. These verses are not claiming that we should literally eat the flesh and blood of Jesus. For one, it would go against what God said about life being in the blood of an animal and that the blood is not to be eaten (Lev.17:10).

Furthermore, if the scriptures above were meant to be taken literally, then Jesus would not have broken bread, but would have cut off his flesh and filled the cup with his blood to give to his disciples. Jesus clarified that he was speaking spiritually and not literally when he said, “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.” Jesus specifically stated that His words are “spirit.” Jesus was using physical concepts, eating and drinking, to teach a spiritual truth. Just as consuming physical food and drink sustains our physical bodies, so are our spiritual lives saved and built up by spiritually receiving Him, by grace through faith. Eating Jesus’ flesh and drinking His blood are symbols of fully and completely receiving Him into our lives.






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Regarding the first verse, Yes, they they trusted in Moses and the Torah the same way some protestants trust the Bible. They didn't believe in Christ when He came because they thought their own interpretation of the Bible was the ultimate authority. The Jews still hold to that same view to this day. It is Jesus Christ that saves not the Bible. I am saying that some protestants in their minds put the Bible and their own interpretation before Jesus Himself. I guess you could refer to it as "Bible-worship".

Regarding the second verse you have to consider the context of the verse.

If Jesus was speaking in purely symbolic terms, his competence as a teacher would have to be called into question. No one listening to him understood him to be speaking metaphorically. Contrast his listeners’ reaction when Jesus said he was a “door” or a “vine.” Nowhere do we find anyone asking, “How can this man be a door made out of wood?” Or, “How can this man claim to be a plant?” When Jesus spoke in metaphor, his audience seems to have been fully aware of it.
When we examine the surrounding context of John 6:53, Jesus’ words could hardly have been clearer. In verse 51, he plainly claims to be “the living bread” that his followers must eat. And he says in no uncertain terms that “the bread which I shall give . . . is my flesh.” Then, when the Jews were found “disput[ing] among themselves, saying, ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat?’” in verse 52, he reiterates even more emphatically, “Truly, truly, I say unto you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.”
Compare this with other examples in Scripture when followers of the Lord are confused about his teaching. In John 4:32, Jesus says: “I have food to eat of which you do not know.” The disciples thought Jesus was speaking about physical food. Our Lord quickly clears up the point using concise, unmistakable language in verse 34: “My food is to do the will of him who sent me, and to accomplish his work” (see also Matthew 16:5-12).
Moreover, when we consider the language used by John, a literal interpretation—however disturbing—becomes even more obvious. In John 6:50-53 we encounter various forms of the Greek verb phago,“eating.” However, after the Jews begin to express incredulity at the idea of eating Christ’s flesh, the language begins to intensify. In verse 54, John begins to use trogo instead of phago. Trogo is a decidedly more graphic term, meaning “to chew on” or to “gnaw on”—as when an animal is ripping apart its prey.
Then, in verse 61, it is no longer the Jewish multitudes, but the disciples themselves who are having difficulty with these radical statements of our Lord. Surely, if he were speaking symbolically, he would clear up the difficulty now among his disciples. Instead, what does Jesus do? He reiterates the fact that he meant just what he said: “Do you take offense at this? Then what if you were to see the Son of man ascending where he was before?” (61-62). Would anyone think him to have meant, “What if you were to see me symbolicallyascend?” Hardly! The apostles, in fact, did see Jesus literally ascend to where he was before (see Acts 1:9-10).
Finally, our Lord turns to the twelve. What he does not say to them is perhaps more important than what he does say. He doesn’t say, “Hey guys, I was misleading the Jewish multitudes, the disciples, and everyone else, but now I am going to tell you alone the simple truth: I was speaking symbolically.” Rather, he says to them, “Will you also go away?” (v. 67). This most profound question from our Lord echoes down through the centuries, calling all followers of Christ in a similar fashion. With St. Peter, those who hear the voice of the Shepherd respond: “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life” (v. 68).

What Catholics Believe about John 6 | Catholic Answers
 

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Regarding the first verse, Yes, they they trusted in Moses and the Torah the same way some protestants trust the Bible. They didn't believe in Christ when He came because they thought their own interpretation of the Bible was the ultimate authority. The Jews still hold to that same view to this day. It is Jesus Christ that saves not the Bible. I am saying that some protestants in their minds put the Bible and their own interpretation before Jesus Himself. I guess you could refer to it as "Bible-worship".

Regarding the second verse you have to consider the context of the verse.

If Jesus was speaking in purely symbolic terms, his competence as a teacher would have to be called into question. No one listening to him understood him to be speaking metaphorically. Contrast his listeners’ reaction when Jesus said he was a “door” or a “vine.” Nowhere do we find anyone asking, “How can this man be a door made out of wood?” Or, “How can this man claim to be a plant?” When Jesus spoke in metaphor, his audience seems to have been fully aware of it.
When we examine the surrounding context of John 6:53, Jesus’ words could hardly have been clearer. In verse 51, he plainly claims to be “the living bread” that his followers must eat. And he says in no uncertain terms that “the bread which I shall give . . . is my flesh.” Then, when the Jews were found “disput[ing] among themselves, saying, ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat?’” in verse 52, he reiterates even more emphatically, “Truly, truly, I say unto you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.”
Compare this with other examples in Scripture when followers of the Lord are confused about his teaching. In John 4:32, Jesus says: “I have food to eat of which you do not know.” The disciples thought Jesus was speaking about physical food. Our Lord quickly clears up the point using concise, unmistakable language in verse 34: “My food is to do the will of him who sent me, and to accomplish his work” (see also Matthew 16:5-12).
Moreover, when we consider the language used by John, a literal interpretation—however disturbing—becomes even more obvious. In John 6:50-53 we encounter various forms of the Greek verb phago,“eating.” However, after the Jews begin to express incredulity at the idea of eating Christ’s flesh, the language begins to intensify. In verse 54, John begins to use trogo instead of phago. Trogo is a decidedly more graphic term, meaning “to chew on” or to “gnaw on”—as when an animal is ripping apart its prey.
Then, in verse 61, it is no longer the Jewish multitudes, but the disciples themselves who are having difficulty with these radical statements of our Lord. Surely, if he were speaking symbolically, he would clear up the difficulty now among his disciples. Instead, what does Jesus do? He reiterates the fact that he meant just what he said: “Do you take offense at this? Then what if you were to see the Son of man ascending where he was before?” (61-62). Would anyone think him to have meant, “What if you were to see me symbolicallyascend?” Hardly! The apostles, in fact, did see Jesus literally ascend to where he was before (see Acts 1:9-10).
Finally, our Lord turns to the twelve. What he does not say to them is perhaps more important than what he does say. He doesn’t say, “Hey guys, I was misleading the Jewish multitudes, the disciples, and everyone else, but now I am going to tell you alone the simple truth: I was speaking symbolically.” Rather, he says to them, “Will you also go away?” (v. 67). This most profound question from our Lord echoes down through the centuries, calling all followers of Christ in a similar fashion. With St. Peter, those who hear the voice of the Shepherd respond: “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life” (v. 68).

What Catholics Believe about John 6 | Catholic Answers
All that I have to say to you, is the same thing that God is saying to you:

"Come out of her, my people,’so that you will not share in her sins,so that you will not receive any of her plagues; for her sins are piled
up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes."

Come out of that pagan system of Roman Catholicism. For by believing in her teachings and partaking in her pagan practices, you are committing spiritual adultery by being associated with her.
 

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For my flesh is food indeed and my blood is drink indeed.
Again, Jesus said that he was speaking spiritually. I pointed out the proof that Jesus did not cut off his flesh and spill his blood at the supper, but it was bread and wine that he gave them, which were figurative of his flesh and blood. You guy's asked about why there is division, you are perfect examples of allowing the false teachings of the RCC to dominate your understanding of the word of God, instead of reading them yourselves without the bias of the RCC.