Catholic persicution.

2Thewaters · Jun 19, 2014

18 When the righteous turn from their righteousness to do wrong, they will die because of it. 19 And when the wicked turn from their wickedness to do what is just and right, it is for that reason they will live. 20 Yet you say, "My Lord's way doesn't measure up." I judge each one of you according to your ways, house of Israel!

So once saved always saved is designed by the enemy to nullify this part

18 When the righteous turn from their righteousness to do wrong, they will die because of it.

And Predestination is designed to nullify this part:
19 And when the wicked turn from their wickedness to do what is just and right, it is for that reason they will live.

Now who is the warrior that always attempts to nullify the bible and make people feel SECURE when they are in trouble?

Who would say to an army

Dont worry, were going to win!
Sleep, rest and stop worrying?

Would not a person saying these foolish things an enemy in the camp of God's army?

What would Jesus say?

Tit_1:9 Holding fastG472 theG3588 faithfulG4103 wordG3056 as he hath been taught,G2596 G1322 thatG2443 he may beG5600 ableG1415 byG1722 soundG5198 doctrineG1319 bothG2532 to exhortG3870 andG2532 to convinceG1651 theG3588 gainsayers.G483
Tit_3:8 This is a faithfulG4103 saying,G3056 andG2532 these things(G5130) I willG1014 that thouG4571 affirm constantly,G1226 thatG2443 they which have believedG4100 in GodG2316 might be carefulG5431 to maintainG4291 goodG2570 works.G2041 These thingsG5023 areG2076 goodG2570 andG2532 profitableG5624 unto men.G444

2Thewaters · Jun 19, 2014

Titus 3:8 ASV
American Standard Version
Faithful is the saying, and concerning these things I desire that thou affirm confidently, to the end that they who have believed God may be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men:
Titus 3:8 BBE
Bible in Basic English
This is a true saying; and it is my desire that you may give certain witness about these things, so that those who have had faith in God may give attention to good works. These things are good and of profit to men;
Titus 3:8 CEB
Common English Bible
This saying is reliable. And I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have come to believe in God might give careful attention to doing good. These things are good and useful for everyone.
Titus 3:8 CJB
Complete Jewish Bible
You can trust what I have just said, and I want you to speak with confidence about these things, so that those who have put their trust in God may apply themselves to doing good deeds. These are both good in themselves and valuable to the community.
Titus 3:8 RHE
Douay-Rheims
It is a faithful saying. And these things I will have thee affirm constantly, that they who believe in God may be careful to excel in good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
Titus 3:8 ESV
English Standard Version
The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people.
Titus 3:8 GW
GOD'S WORD Translation
This is a statement that can be trusted. I want you to insist on these things so that those who believe in God can concentrate on setting an example by doing good things. This is good and helps other people.
Titus 3:8 GNT
Good News Translation
This is a true saying. I want you to give special emphasis to these matters, so that those who believe in God may be concerned with giving their time to doing good deeds, which are good and useful for everyone.
Titus 3:8 HNV
Hebrew Names Version
This saying is faithful, and concerning these things I desire that you affirm confidently, to the end that they who have believed God may be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men;
Titus 3:8 CSB
Holman Christian Standard
This saying is trustworthy. I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed God might be careful to devote themselves to good works. These are good and profitable for everyone.
Titus 3:8 KJV
King James Version
This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly , that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
Titus 3:8 LEB
Lexham English Bible
The saying [is] trustworthy, and I want you to insist concerning these [things], so that those who have believed in God may be careful to engage in good deeds. These things are good and beneficial for people.
Titus 3:8 NAS
New American Standard
This is a trustworthy statement ; and concerning these things I want you to speak confidently, so that those who have believed God will be careful to engage in good deeds. These things are good and profitable for men.
Titus 3:8 NCV
New Century Version
This teaching is true, and I want you to be sure the people understand these things. Then those who believe in God will be careful to use their lives for doing good. These things are good and will help everyone.
Titus 3:8 NIRV
New International Reader's Version
You can trust that saying. Those things are important. Treat them that way. Then those who have trusted in God will be careful to commit themselves to doing what is good. Those things are excellent. They are for the good of everyone.
Titus 3:8 NIV
New International Version
This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.
Titus 3:8 NKJV
New King James Version
This is a faithful saying, and these things I want you to affirm constantly, that those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men.
Titus 3:8 NLT
New Living Translation
These things I have told you are all true. I want you to insist on them so that everyone who trusts in God will be careful to do good deeds all the time. These things are good and beneficial for everyone.
Titus 3:8 NRS
New Revised Standard
The saying is sure. I desire that you insist on these things, so that those who have come to believe in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works; these things are excellent and profitable to everyone.
Titus 3:8 RSV
Revised Standard Version
The saying is sure. I desire you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to apply themselves to good deeds; these are excellent and profitable to men.
Titus 3:8 DBY
The Darby Translation
The word [is] faithful, and I desire that thou insist strenuously on these things, that they who have believed God may take care to pay diligent attention to good works. These things are good and profitable to men.
Titus 3:8 MSG
The Message
You can count on this.

Titus 3:8 WBT
The Webster Bible
[This is] a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they who have believed in God may be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men.

Titus 3:8 TMB
Third Millennium Bible
This is a faithful saying, and these things I enjoin that thou affirm constantly, that those who have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

Titus 3:8 TNIV
Today's New International Version
This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.

Titus 3:8 TYN
Tyndale
This is a true sayinge. Of these thinges I wolde thou shuldest certifie that they which beleve God myght be diligent to go forwarde in good workes. These thinges are good and proffitable vnto me.

Titus 3:8 WNT
Weymouth New Testament
This is a faithful saying, and on these various points I would have you insist strenuously, in order that those who have their faith fixed on God may be careful to set an example of good actions. For these are not only good in themselves, but are also useful to mankind.

2Thewaters · Jun 19, 2014

You cannot save yourself by works
No one ever said that
the enemy twists that out of it

and if we warn them the enemy callls us SELF RIGHTOUS

becasue

he is the enemy! The enemy of righteousness (Commandment keeping)

You cannot be saved by keeping the commandments it is natural like a songbird sings

but
you also CANNOT BE SAVED BY COMMANDMENT BREAKING
impossible to be saved by commandment breaking willfully.

But those who are being sanctified ONLY do good works and we increase more and more unto the perfect day

Those who worship and pray to idols and do evil works and sin and live for self will not inherit the kingdom no matter if once they thought they were saved they have fallen away and don't love God any more

God hates divorce and it is a sin
do not divorce yourself from God the word of God ever again and you will be victorious

2Thewaters · Jun 19, 2014

When Jesus says this:
REMEMBER...
then
well,
we REMEMBER

that easy, thank you father.

Malachi · Jun 19, 2014

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

thus the scriptures exhort us... we must have works, or we are not saved. show me sola fide in that... and if you really think about it that teaching is a form of salvation by works as well... because it is a work of your conciseness, and your mind to accept there is a God, accept that he wishes to save you, and also accept the salvation.. God does not force us to accept this gift, but we must willfully accept it.

StoneThrower · Jun 19, 2014

Malachi said:

Why, the only difference between the terms is a sacrament can only be administered by a church official and scripture doesn’t teach that. A lay person can lead communion the same as a paid employee, and a father can baptize his child in a public baptism the same as a pastor.

So how does this affect the Holy Spirit in anyway? I don’t see that it does.
And since we don’t rescrafice Christ calling him down from his throne above each week, we don’t need a witch doctor to have communion. Oh and don’t try to argue that last point as your catechism says it’s a real and present sacrifice.

Malachi · Jun 19, 2014

because those my dear sir are the words of Christ.

StoneThrower · Jun 19, 2014

Malachi said:

Three views:
One the universalist, that God can and will save all. (Which is False)

The particularist fall in two catagories

God is powerful enough to save all but dosent
God is powerful enough to save all but assures that some are. Thats my God!

StoneThrower · Jun 19, 2014

notuptome said:

My what a holier than thou attitude! I only care what the bible teaches about Christ and salvation by grace.

I do have a great concern for Catholics who give equal authority to church tradition and scripture. I am concerned that they are like Simon the sorcerer who had a knowledge of God but never had any heart belief. Simon was very religious on the outside and very far from God on the inside. Desiring the image of power by not wanting any true relationship with God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yea, what the kitty cat said and the Pharisees too! LOL

DavidLOVESsnow · Jun 19, 2014

Malachi said:

I agree with you on this Malachi to a degree. We do need works, but not a specific amount to be saved [which Im pretty sure is in Catholicism].

Basically, you are to do good deeds, but it doesn't specify how many, etc.

We are still saved by Grace, but works are indeed a part of your Faith.

On a side note, did you ever read my post to you? It's on page 5 post #97. Nobody has tried to refute what I said yet.

StoneThrower · Jun 19, 2014

2Thewaters said:

He most certainly did! Really, did you really say that with a straight face, or are you yanking our chain for a reaction?
Your joking right?

Cobus · Jun 19, 2014

Malachi where does GOOD works come from? And who does the GOOD WORKS of faith? As I showed you in the Bible Study room you have NO idea who the workerds of God's GOOD WORKS are. NO idea! To make a statement like NO ONE IS PERFECT, is already so unbiblical it is scary!

I ask you once again, did you see the video clip where the pope declares himself the anti-christ.
Pope Francis Declares Himself the Antichrist and Lucifer "the Father" - YouTube

I hope this works or else you can go see it on the thread in the Bible discussion forum under the title ... The pope declares himself anti-christ and lucifer the father of Jesus.

Please give me your take on the clip... It was pope francis.... watch it and explain what you make of this....

A_Friend_In_Christ · Jun 22, 2014

Why can't people get along and work together for Jesus? Why all the division and putting down?

StoneThrower · Jun 22, 2014

A_Friend_In_Christ said:

It causes confusion if you do, and the world is confused enough. If I work at a mission with Catholics then it appears that we both believe the same thing. I don't want the world to be deceived that the RCC church is anything other than just another world religion. We want people to put there faith in Christ not an organization. Its all about the gospel and holding up the true gospel rather than a cheap substitute. Eternity is at stake!

newbirth · Jun 22, 2014

Malachi said:

Where were you when your mother your Holy Eucharist and your Church her self was killing with the sword anyone who opposed their teachings.
Now you cry for for an organization that has committed the most evil against God and against mankind in the history of the world.

ThomistColin · Jun 22, 2014

newbirth said:

And it wasn't Protestants burning Catholics alive, England under Elizabeth I, or enslaving an entire continent of peoples?

Jackson123 · Jun 22, 2014

ThomistColin said:

That why brother, we not put our hope in to a man organization. In Christ and in Christ alone, the center of our hope and our salvation. Not Church teaching, but Christ teaching.

Why we trust church teaching? when the bible said test every teaching, see if inline with the Christ teaching base on the bible.

newbirth · Jun 22, 2014

ThomistColin said:

Do you see me with the mark of protestant...I follow Christ according to the Word of God not a doctrine of man..where do you think protestants come from? They came from your catholic faith ...Not following true scripture but doctrine of other men...

ThomistColin · Jun 22, 2014

newbirth said:

How easy it is for you to deny your fellow man. I find your inability to accept that Christians sometimes fall far and commit grave sin unnerving. It's as if you truly do not care for your fellow man, but instead piously pretend to.

newbirth · Jun 22, 2014

ThomistColin said:

The pope is the head of your church....Christ is the head of his church

Catholic persicution.

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