Catholicism exposed

loveme1 · Mar 27, 2012

12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

This verse does not separate what you just asked, yet you expect me to?

tribesman · Mar 27, 2012

loveme1 said:

Separate what? That is not true, but false. I have not proposed any separation of anything here.

I asked you what you put your trust in.

loveme1 · Mar 27, 2012

May peace be with you.

jimmydiggs · Mar 27, 2012

loveme1 said:

Is it really that hard, to answer the question, "What do you trust in for your salvation?"

SantoSubito · Mar 27, 2012

zeroturbulence said:

Indeed. It seems to have shifted from Catholicism to infighting among the non-Catholics on the thread.

SantoSubito · Mar 27, 2012

jimmydiggs said:

It's a motley assortment of various items from different places, some being my own and some being heavily redacted for length and to only include relevant portions and some being modified slightly. I had to hop around to so many places looking for the sources for the quotes that I had to draw from like 15 websites.

cfultz3 · Mar 27, 2012

It amazes me how easily the subject was changed. It seems to have been spiritual. Oh, how quickly it was done.

zeroturbulence · Mar 27, 2012

cfultz3 said:

Amen to that.

RachelBibleStudent · Mar 27, 2012

SantoSubito said:

that is what tends to happen when you take the legalistic fringe approach to catholic bashing...

GreenNnice · Mar 27, 2012

jimmydiggs said:

It's an unnecessary question to answer. Just look at her name id. I'd hope that is self- explaining.

loveme1 · Mar 28, 2012

GreenNnice said:

You have no idea what my name means.

Should one conclude, you are green and nice?

Or that money is green, and you think it is nice?

Back to the matter, after being accused of arguing and scripture being ignored.
I concluded that the matter was becoming a I'm right, your wrong...... Scripture itself rebuked what the person was saying.

Moses law was to be kept until Yahshua came to be the final sin sacrifice Lamb offering.

Yahvah Gods Law is the 10 Commandments.

If the ten commandments were not active, why would any of you think you need a Saviour for breaking them?

Could Paul of been talking about the Law of Moses?
Kings 2, 21:8

8Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them. 9But they hearkened not: and Manasseh seduced them to do more evil than did the nations whom the LORD destroyed before the children of Israel.

You will notice the word "and" above, meaning there is a distinction of the Law.

The Hebrew people were to keep Moses Law to cover their sin, until Yahshua the Messiah came from among them.

So back to what i said earlier the Price of sin, death was abolished on the cross.

Revelation 14:12

12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Here it says commandments of Yahvah God and the faith of Yahshua.

The Law of Moses is now not mentioned.

All the regenerate man talk really is not needed to understand anything.

jimmydiggs · Mar 28, 2012

loveme1 said:

You have no idea what my name means.

Should one conclude, you are green and nice?

Or that money is green, and you think it is nice?

Back to the matter, after being accused of arguing and scripture being ignored.
I concluded that the matter was becoming a I'm right, your wrong...... Scripture itself rebuked what the person was saying.

Moses law was to be kept until Yahshua came to be the final sin sacrifice Lamb offering.

Yahvah Gods Law is the 10 Commandments.

If the ten commandments were not active, why would any of you think you need a Saviour for breaking them?

Could Paul of been talking about the Law of Moses?
Kings 2, 21:8

8Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them. 9But they hearkened not: and Manasseh seduced them to do more evil than did the nations whom the LORD destroyed before the children of Israel.

You will notice the word "and" above, meaning there is a distinction of the Law.

The Hebrew people were to keep Moses Law to cover their sin, until Yahshua the Messiah came from among them.

So back to what i said earlier the Price of sin, death was abolished on the cross.

Revelation 14:12

12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Here it says commandments of Yahvah God and the faith of Yahshua.

The Law of Moses is now not mentioned.

All the regenerate man talk really is not needed to understand anything.

It would appear that you trust in your ability to keep God's commands. Is that correct?

GreenNnice · Mar 28, 2012

jimmydiggs said:

Lovemeee, I was not attacking you, au contraire, I was letting others know the answer to jimdiggity's Q below.....

And, true, I could guess all day long of what your name meant and yoy could, if you choose, to say '.no' to every guess .

But, IF one looks at jimdiggity's question then the answer is housed inside your name, whether you want to say 'yes' or not, LOL.

'loveme1' CAN , for certain mean, that you want everyone to LOVE GOD #1 in their life, moreover, it goes without saying that you love God #1, in your life, furthermore, it states the obvious, answering jimdiggity's question clearly.

You, lovemeee, put your TRUST in God.

Sorry, to offend, God bless you, young lady

. Let's pleease not spat like before or else we will both have to forgive each other again after vitriolically having attacked each other for what is really nothing áll.

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Alas, a spat between joys the Enemy's love and is like this thread that just makes enemies of us all, and The Enemy not just loves that, he ATTACKS IT !! Visciously, and, with much venom and viscosity !!!

Go to Him now, you all, YOU need to get things right again that HAVE, or, even may have, attacked fellow believers in Jesus the Christ, which, according to scripture is ALL we need to believe !!!!!!! John 3:16

Why do you judge others, peeps, why do you jot think God's Spirit inside you does not frown? Why Ro you think your judgmentalism toward another faith cannot be said in Love and then let the power of the Holy Spirit take over ?

Breathe the Word, live the Word, be the Word, according to He who gave it to you so graciously so that ye might choose Hope and LIVE !

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ChosenbyHim · Mar 28, 2012

hermanodaniel said:

A million lies on this earth and yet one truth! A million beliefs and yet one way to God! John 14:6

In the Bible, God gave these commandments to Moses: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Exodus 20:3 - Notice the small "g"
Also: "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain." Exodus 20:7

WHY? BECAUSE HIS NAME IS ABOVE EVERY NAME!!! See Philippians 2:9

Yet God puts something above his name…. Hmmm… What could this be???

“FOR THOU HAST MAGNIFIED THY WORD ABOVE ALL THY NAME.”
(Psalm 138:2)

THE BIBLE IS HIS HOLY WORDS!!!
“…God is not a man, that he should lie;…” Numbers 23:19

GOD, In his words says:”…let God be true but every man a liar…” Romans 3:4

If anyone disagrees with God’s words – even an angel* >>> he is a liar!!!
*Galatians 1:6-12

GOD’S WORD IS FINAL!!!
Oh oh right away some faiths out there was just exposed as a lie… (ISLAM, MORMONS) why? These faiths claim an angel delivered a different message than the glorious gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ that’s why!!! However, this is another topic this information is about the Roman Catholic church!

Jesus said: “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”*
When we stand before God, we will be judged by his word.**
BE SURE WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS GOD”S WORD AND IS IN GOD”S WORD!!! *Matthew 24:35 **John 12:48

Jesus said, “I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE: NO MAN COMETH UNTO THE FATHER, BUT BY ME.” John 14:6
The Bible says that Jesus Christ is THE WORD of God.*
But did you know that Jesus warns us about another Christ? A very dangerous type of Christ at that…**
*John 1:1-2 **2 Cor. 11:3-4

Jesus said: …Take heed no that no man deceive you.” Matthew 24:4

Satan has twisted God’s words since the very first lie. Genesis 3:1-5
Satan sends false teachers among the people to twist the truth of God’s words into a lie.
Romans 1:25 & 2 Peter 3:16

In describing Satan, Jesus said, “He is a liar and the father of it.” John 8:44

Today Religious phonies claim to come in the name of Christ. Some even claim to be CHRIST!

Jesus said in Matthews 24:5 >>> “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.”

They appear godly, and even come in His name. How many will they deceive? A billion people?

There have always been religious sharpies, wolves in sheep’s clothing,* who make merchandise** of the Lord’s work. They come so slick, so polished, that people never questioned them.
*Acts 20:28-30 **2 Peter 2:3

Jesus warned again: “… if any man shall say unto you, lo, here is Christ, or there;
BELIEVE IT NOT. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; Insomuch that if it were possible they shall deceive the very elect.” Matthew 24:23-24

When we meet people deceived by these religious con men, WE MUST LOVE THEM ENOUGH TO TELL THEM THE TRUTH. James 5:19-20, Jude 3

After Jesus was taken back up into heaven, who did He send to take His place?
Jesus promised to send God, the Holy Ghost, to convict the world of sin.
John 16:7-8
What does the Holy Ghost do to Christian believers? The Bible says “…he will guide you into all truth…” John 16:13

NOW ARE YOU READY FOR THE BOMB THAT’S GONNA EXPLODE…

When Jesus prayed at the brook Cedron… He called to God, His Father in heaven, by a name so sacred that “it appears ONLY ONCE in the Scriptures. The term is “HOLY FATHER.” John 17:11

Now remember… The Bible says, “There is none righteous, no not one…”
Romans 3:10, 23

SOOOOOOO… now here comes the lie or shall I say lies!!!

The Roman Catholic pope:
-Calls himself “HOLY FATHER”* But this title belongs only to God, the Father in heaven.
-He sits as CHRIST** in the Vatican.
-And when he speaks ex cathedra, he speaks for God, in place of THE HOLY SPIRIT.***
This man is given, in essence, all the titles of the Triune Godhead combined.

*Modern Catholic Dictionary by John A. Harden, S.J., (1980), p. 253
**Ibid, p. 561
***Dogmatic Canons and Decrees (1912), p. 256.
See also John 14:26 and 16:13

NOW, ISN’T THAT JUST A LITTLE PRESUMPTUOUS?

Does he actually think he’s God? Remember… the popes are supposed to be infallible.*
Look at what they’ve said:
-Pope Innocent III: “He (the pope) judges all and is judged by no one.”**
-Pope Boniface VIII: “We declare, assert, define and pronounce: To be subject to the Roman pontiff is to every human creature altogether necessary for salvation.”***
-Pope Leo XIII: “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.”****

*When speaking on matters regarding faith or morals.
Dogmatic Canons and Decrees, p. 256
**”Sermon on the Consecration of a Pope, “Patrologia Latina, 217, columns 657-658.
***Conclusion of the Papal Bull Unam Sanctam (1302).
**** Great Encyclical Letters of Pope Leo XIII, (1903), p. 304.

WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT A MAN WHO CALLS HIMSELF GOD?
See 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

Jesus says “many” will come in His name, pretending to be Christ. Matthew 24:5
And this is what the popes have done for centuries.!!!!!!

George W. Bush was asked when he looked into Benedict XVI’s eyes, what he saw and he replied, “God.”
EWTN News, April 11, 2008

Let me share something with you. In Roman Catholic theology a priest is “ALTER CHRISTUS,”* “ANOTHER CHRIST.”**
*Out of the Labyrinth by L.H. Lehman (1982), Pg. 7
**2 Cor. 11:2-4

All through history, hundreds of thousands of “Christs” have performed great signs and wonders worldwide. What are these great signs and wonders?

Roman Catholic doctrine* claims the priest is so powerful that he can, at his command, call Jesus Christ out of heaven.**
They believe Christ must leave the glories of heaven. They say that the Creator of all things (John 1:3, Ephesians 3:9) must obey the wishes of the priest… to humble Himself, to become a piece of bread, to be handled by this all powerful man-god the holy priest of Rome.
* Dogmatic Canons and Decrees, p. 81, “On the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist,” Canon I.
**The Dignity and Duties of the Priest by Liguori, Ch. 1, Part III.

Jesus Christ, King of kings, who will judge every lost soul at the Great White Throne judgement… is supposed to let himself be eaten by anyone the priest gives Him to. According to their theology the Roman Catholic priest is more than a god… “He is the creator of his Creator.” This is Roman Catholic doctrine. To deny it, is to be accused and damned as a heretic.
The Dignity and Duties of the Priest Ch. 1, Part IV

The Eucharist is the piece of bread that has been “changed” into Jesus Christ. The wafer is placed in the “tabernacle” on the Roman Catholic altar and worshipped as God.
Modern Catholic Dictionary, by John A. Hardon. S.J., pg. 530

According to Roman Catholic doctrine, Jesus Christ can be physically found in every Roman Catholic “Church,” world-wide.
THIS CONTRADICTS JESUS’ WORDS!
See Matthew 24:26

When the priest places the Eucharist (the wafer they claim is Jesus) in the monstrance…
Faithful Roman Catholics kneel before their Jesus to adore Him or kiss Him.
Dogmatic Canons and Decrees, p. 83, “On the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist,” Canon VI.

When Jesus was on the earth He gave this warning: “Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not!” Matthew 24:23

Who are Roman Catholics to believe?
Their priests?... or Christ?

Why must the sacrifice of the mass go on and on? SURELY, Jesus wasn’t lying when He said: “… IT IS FINISHED…” John 19:30 & Matthew 27:50
God’s Word says: “For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands… but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:” Hebrews 9:24
“Nor yet that he should be offer himself often…”* ”…So Christ was ONCE offered to bear the sins of many…”** “But this man, after he had offered ONE sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God”***
*Hebrews 9:25-26
**Hebrews 9:28
***Hebrews 10:11-12

GET THE POINT?

Jesus’ sacrifice for sin, almost 2,000 years ago at Calvary, was perfect. There is nothing you or any church can do to improve on it! In fact, the Bible, God’s Word, says that we are not to crucify the Son of God afresh and put Him to an open shame. Hebrews 6:4-6

BUT… through the mass, Satan thought up a way to show Jesus as a continually dying Saviour, or a “DEAD CHRIST.”

Jesus said, His sacrifice was finished and God’s Word says it is never to be repeated. By participating in mass, you are calling God a liar!

GOD HATES THE ROMAN CATHOLIC MASS!!!
You face a very important decision. Your eternal destiny depends on it. God’s HOLY WORD will judge you when you stand before the Lord Jesus Christ.

WILL YOU CHOOSE TO BELIEVE GOD… or men?

If Roman Catholic teaching disagrees with God’s Holy words, it is wrong in God’s eyes!
Jesus said: “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” John 14:15
God’s word says: “To obey is better than sacrifice” 1 Samuel 15:22

These false Christs had to come to fulfill prophecy. ANTICHRIST, means “one who takes the place of Christ,” a very, religious person who deceives billions into losing their souls!!! Many Roman Catholics are sincerely trying to please God. But if you are not serving God according to His Word you will be sincerely lost. That is why this false religious system is so evil!

Jesus is “not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” 2 Peter 3:9

Jesus hates this false religious system. It has blasphemed His Holy Name, His Holy Word, and has deceived billions of people.
Jesus calls her THE MOTHER OF ABONIMATIONS and has promised to utterly destroy her, and all those with her. (See Rev. 17.)
But He loves you enough to warn you, and calls you to Himself.”
Jesus says: “Come out of her, my people, `that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.”
Revelations 18:4

Source
Is there another Christ? Chick Publications Chick Publications

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loveme1 · Mar 29, 2012

GreenNnice said:

Lovemeee, I was not attacking you, au contraire, I was letting others know the answer to jimdiggity's Q below.....

And, true, I could guess all day long of what your name meant and yoy could, if you choose, to say '.no' to every guess .

But, IF one looks at jimdiggity's question then the answer is housed inside your name, whether you want to say 'yes' or not, LOL.

'loveme1' CAN , for certain mean, that you want everyone to LOVE GOD #1 in their life, moreover, it goes without saying that you love God #1, in your life, furthermore, it states the obvious, answering jimdiggity's question clearly.

You, lovemeee, put your TRUST in God.

Sorry, to offend, God bless you, young lady

. Let's pleease not spat like before or else we will both have to forgive each other again after vitriolically having attacked each other for what is really nothing áll.

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Alas, a spat between joys the Enemy's love and is like this thread that just makes enemies of us all, and The Enemy not just loves that, he ATTACKS IT !! Visciously, and, with much venom and viscosity !!!

Go to Him now, you all, YOU need to get things right again that HAVE, or, even may have, attacked fellow believers in Jesus the Christ, which, according to scripture is ALL we need to believe !!!!!!! John 3:16

Why do you judge others, peeps, why do you jot think God's Spirit inside you does not frown? Why Ro you think your judgmentalism toward another faith cannot be said in Love and then let the power of the Holy Spirit take over ?

Breathe the Word, live the Word, be the Word, according to He who gave it to you so graciously so that ye might choose Hope and LIVE !

I apologize if i misunderstood you, i was giving an example of how a name could appear to mean something, but not mean that at all.

I do not come to attack, but offer the misguided the truth.

I take no pleasure in conflicts, if i go against scripture then I deserve to be attacked, but that is not so.
The truth is an attack, but it is out of love for Almighty Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
The truth convicts the lie itself, we do not need to judge..

hermanodaniel · Mar 30, 2012

How does one determine truth from a lie? By testing the spirits! How does one test the spirits? By checking if they confess Jesus coming in the flesh!

In 1 John 4 it states
1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Now I am quite sure every one here is acquainted with these verses but examine it carefully. Literally we can easily overlook and say all those that confessed Jesus coming in the flesh would certainly passed this test and all those who don't literally confess Jesus coming in the flesh are rejected such as: Islam, Hinduism, Taoism Buddhism and so forth. Now, catholics and heck even Jehovah Witnesses literally confess Jesus coming in the flesh so they pass the test right? WRONG! What does Jesus coming in the flesh mean other than literally confessing him coming in the flesh? Well Jesus we know is the Word of God and if we acknowledge and understand this in the spirit then when we read anyone who doesn’t confess him coming in the flesh is anti-christ its referring to obscuring his Deity as the Word of God. In other words, those who truly confess him coming in the flesh will glorify him for who he is THE WORD OF GOD. Those who only confess in the literal sense like catholics, jehovah witnesses etc. are obscuring his Deity by their doctrines that do not coincide with the Word of God, hence, a different Gospel and different Jesus who is not the Word of God but an impostor. (2 Corinthians 11) The body of Christ confesses Jesus coming in the flesh by exalting the Word of God above everything! Jesus Christ's supremacy John 1; Colossians 1 & 2; Psalm 138:2

Blessings

P.S BTW I have nothing against Catholics personally or anybody holding onto certain religions but since the Word of God is hidden in my heart I cannot tolerate their beliefs that are contrary to the truth! In Christ and his love I say seek Christ who is THE WORD OF GOD refined 7x!

GreenNnice · Mar 30, 2012

GreenNnice said:

loveme1 said:

No worries, brit chick,

God bless your said Truth, lovemee, on c.c.

hermanodaniel said:

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The Lord leads us all , herman, and, despite a doctrine with extreme differences from others, the bottom line is to believe on THIS doctrine: Jesus as the Son of God, and, sure , there is more to it than just 'believing.'

Believe on The Truth, and, The Truth shall set you freeeeeee. And, when you are freee, you are free, indeed

God bless you, Christ bro, as you minister God's words given you, in Love.

This commandment anew I now give you : Love one another.

Peace.

Nancyer · Mar 30, 2012

Do we not celebrate the Sabbath on Sunday because God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th? Isn't that Sunday, as far as our calendar is concerned anyway? If God created in 7 days and rested on the 8th, wouldn't THAT day be Sunday, again, following our calendar? (sometimes, I wish he would have done it all in 5 days, we could rest on the 6th, therefore have the 5th and 6th days as weekends, and only have to work 4 days in a row, but that's another thread)

SantoSubito · Mar 30, 2012

Nancyer said:

That's if you count Monday as the first day of the week, but the first day of the week is actually Sunday. the Early Christians at some point started to gather on Sunday instead of Saturday (likely to distinguish themselves from Jews among other things) and this was later formalized at Church Councils as the official day of worship.

Laodicea · Mar 30, 2012

SantoSubito said:

Because the 3 days go from Friday to Sunday shows that Christ kept the Sabbath even in death, He rested in the grave on Sabbath

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