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I will say more, just have some patience. Would like to have an answer to my question first.
You were referring to the ten commandments when some very important questions came up and then you have raised questions about the need to distinguish law and gospel, which are yet inseparable.
Shall I interpret that as you think that the law and the gospel are actually always basically the same thing?
You were referring to the ten commandments when some very important questions came up and then you have raised questions about the need to distinguish law and gospel, which are yet inseparable.
Shall I interpret that as you think that the law and the gospel are actually always basically the same thing?
12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Simply said, the law is about what we should do (and not do), the gospel is about what God has done to save His people (and only He alone could do that work). These two should never be confused and in the positive we must understand that the covenant principle is always implied. Throughout the whole Bible we find this. We also find the law itself pointing to the gospel.
That's why it is so extremely important that we read the Bible with this in mind and make this distinction accordingly. If we look to the gospel where we should only look to the law, we go wrong. If we look to the law where we should only look to the gospel, we go wrong as well. Both are as equally needed in their own respects.
Paul said that the righteousness of God (which is Christ) is revealed in the gospel (Rom.1.17). Those who are regenerated have submitted to this righteousness and have stopped seeking their own righteousness through the law, because Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes in Him (Rom.10:4). [With this not said that the law is done away with!].
But those who are ignorant about the righteousness of God, which is revealed in the gospel, having not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God, still going about to establish their own righteousness are unregenerate - even if they are zealous for God (Rom.10:3).
That's why Paul made it clear that this is a dividing line:
Edit: Do also never confuse justification with sanctification i.e. regeneration and its fruit.
That's why it is so extremely important that we read the Bible with this in mind and make this distinction accordingly. If we look to the gospel where we should only look to the law, we go wrong. If we look to the law where we should only look to the gospel, we go wrong as well. Both are as equally needed in their own respects.
Paul said that the righteousness of God (which is Christ) is revealed in the gospel (Rom.1.17). Those who are regenerated have submitted to this righteousness and have stopped seeking their own righteousness through the law, because Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes in Him (Rom.10:4). [With this not said that the law is done away with!].
But those who are ignorant about the righteousness of God, which is revealed in the gospel, having not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God, still going about to establish their own righteousness are unregenerate - even if they are zealous for God (Rom.10:3).
That's why Paul made it clear that this is a dividing line:
Edit: Do also never confuse justification with sanctification i.e. regeneration and its fruit.
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Simply said, the law is about what we should do (and not do), the gospel is about what God has done to save His people (and only He alone could do that work). These two should never be confused and in the positive we must understand that the covenant principle is always implied. Throughout the whole Bible we find this. We also find the law itself pointing to the gospel.
So with that in mind, do you now do what you are suppose to do?
Or was it because by the time you found out what you were suppose to do, or not do, you were condemned by the judgement, and the punishment was death?
You then realized the way to pardon this judgement was through Yahshua the Messiah son of Almighty Yahvah God.
Salvation is a merciful, loving, graceful gift, how do we show our gratitude?
Continue in sin?
Or give glory to the Most High in spirit and truth?
So with that in mind, do you now do what you are suppose to do?
Or was it because by the time you found out what you were suppose to do, or not do, you were condemned by the judgement, and the punishment was death?
You then realized the way to pardon this judgement was through Yahshua the Messiah son of Almighty Yahvah God.
Salvation is a merciful, loving, graceful gift, how do we show our gratitude?
Continue in sin?
Or give glory to the Most High in spirit and truth?
So who were those that kept the commandments of Yahvah God and the faith of Yahshua the messiah?
You said they are the character of a regenerate, and you are a regenerate.
But then you said: "Positive. But I am that because of the work of Christ alone."
Yet this verse says:
12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
You have removed scripture to support yourself being a "regenerate"
You said they are the character of a regenerate, and you are a regenerate.
But then you said: "Positive. But I am that because of the work of Christ alone."
Yet this verse says:
12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
You have removed scripture to support yourself being a "regenerate"
Why would we argue?
12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
It clearly states they kept the Commandments of God and had faith in the Messiah.
Though you would prefer it to just say the latter, because that is what you said to me above.
Not sure why you cannot understand or if you want to understand. Or you have grossly misunderstood what I was saying.
The one thing does not take out the other. You are confusing sanctification, which is a fruit of regeneration (that which motivates and gives strength to a believer to follow Christ) with justification/regeneration (which is when God justifies His elect for the sake of Christ alone). I made this perfectly clear in post #92.
Everything stands and fall with the issue of justification where God is the agent and we are passive recipients, Our own righteousness is but filthy rags. Those who seek righteousness by the law begins in the wrong end and go out on it.
The one thing does not take out the other. You are confusing sanctification, which is a fruit of regeneration (that which motivates and gives strength to a believer to follow Christ) with justification/regeneration (which is when God justifies His elect for the sake of Christ alone). I made this perfectly clear in post #92.
Everything stands and fall with the issue of justification where God is the agent and we are passive recipients, Our own righteousness is but filthy rags. Those who seek righteousness by the law begins in the wrong end and go out on it.
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Have anyone suggested that the people of God should not keep the commandments of God?
Tilting at windmills, are we?
Tell me what you place your trust in for your right standing with the Most High and what you set your hope to for eternity; your striving to keep God's law to the best of your efforts - or the finished work of Christ alone?
Tilting at windmills, are we?
Tell me what you place your trust in for your right standing with the Most High and what you set your hope to for eternity; your striving to keep God's law to the best of your efforts - or the finished work of Christ alone?