Catholicism vs Protestantism
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So Pope ask Muslim to pray to Mary like Him?
So Pope ask Muslim to pray to Mary like Him?
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thanks for the answer, looks like we might have different understandings of baptism!
I'm glad you use the example of Anglican Church because I was present at the baptism of some good friends in an Episcopal Church (ECUSA).
this is the service they used, or something very similar
https://www.bcponline.org/
I did not have any impression that they were being baptized into a particular group or denomination.
I didn't sense that they had the impression that they were joining a particular group, they believed they were just being baptized.
is this an official Catholic teaching, that a person is baptized into a particular rite?
I'm glad you use the example of Anglican Church because I was present at the baptism of some good friends in an Episcopal Church (ECUSA).
this is the service they used, or something very similar
https://www.bcponline.org/
I did not have any impression that they were being baptized into a particular group or denomination.
I didn't sense that they had the impression that they were joining a particular group, they believed they were just being baptized.
is this an official Catholic teaching, that a person is baptized into a particular rite?
I don't understand your question, this is philosophical question
Do you believe it is posible to worship true God and mammon
Matthew 6:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
King James Version (KJV)
Do you believe it is posible to worship true God and mammon
Matthew 6:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
King James Version (KJV)
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And he believe Mary able to hear him?
Why don't he pray to Jesus?
It was Mary phisically live and there (in Cana) how we prove Mary in Rome when pope talk to her.
Pope ask every people from every religion to pray to God.
Muslim to God
Hindus to God
So pope did what he preach, and it happen he pray to Mary
Read the context my brother, the context is to promote pray to god
Base on the context pope's God is Mary
Why don't he pray to Jesus?
It was Mary phisically live and there (in Cana) how we prove Mary in Rome when pope talk to her.
Pope ask every people from every religion to pray to God.
Muslim to God
Hindus to God
So pope did what he preach, and it happen he pray to Mary
Read the context my brother, the context is to promote pray to god
Base on the context pope's God is Mary
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I think so.
The Catechism says this about Rites.
1203 The liturgical traditions or rites presently in use in the Church are the Latin (principally the Roman rite, but also the rites of certain local churches, such as the Ambrosian rite, or those of certain religious orders) and the Byzantine, Alexandrian or Coptic, Syriac, Armenian, Maronite and Chaldean rites. In "faithful obedience to tradition, the sacred Council declares that Holy Mother Church holds all lawfully recognized rites to be of equal right and dignity, and that she wishes to preserve them in the future and to foster them in every way."
The Catechism says this about Rites.
1203 The liturgical traditions or rites presently in use in the Church are the Latin (principally the Roman rite, but also the rites of certain local churches, such as the Ambrosian rite, or those of certain religious orders) and the Byzantine, Alexandrian or Coptic, Syriac, Armenian, Maronite and Chaldean rites. In "faithful obedience to tradition, the sacred Council declares that Holy Mother Church holds all lawfully recognized rites to be of equal right and dignity, and that she wishes to preserve them in the future and to foster them in every way."
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As far as I know it is.
I've been looking this up and the best I can find so far is from the Catholic Answers Forum.
The question was posed "What’s the process of changing rites in the Church?"
That question and the answer implies that one is "in" a particular rite.
The whole answer is long but I'll post if for you anyway. Note the bit I have emboldened.
"Since sometime during the reign of Pope John Paul II it the term changing ‘rites’ is not quite appropriate.
When it was just one church with different rites that made sense, but today the various patricular ritual churches are regarded as Sui Iuris, or with it’s own law, and they are theoretically all equal before the Pope. Also, some of these Autonomous Ritual (Particular) Churches share the same liturgical tradition so one has to be specific as to which church a person is changing to. (For instance, the Ukrainian Greek Catholic church and the Romanian Greek Catholic church use the same liturgical tradition/ritual tradition, one does not join the liturgical tradition, one joins the church.)
Therefore, one does not change ‘rites’ as such, one changes churches. This is referred to as canonical enrollment, and although there are exceptions the simple answer is one is normally automatically enrolled in the church of one’s father at baptism.
Changing canonical enrollment requires the agreement of one’s present bishop as well as the receiving bishop (they will usually be different dioceses with overlapping territory). If both bishops agree, the approval of the Holy See at Rome (which reserves the right to rule on this) can be assumed.
To do this one should have the pastor of the new parish (one can join a parish of another autonomous church without actually changing canonical enrollment) help in writing the letter or letters. The pastor can help one know of the particular requirements the new bishop will place on the candidate. One should not wait for the pastor or missioner to suggest one transfer, he might never do so, for to suggest such a thing could be construed as poaching members from a sister church. He will probably be satisfied if the person enrolls in the parish and makes regular contributions.
Some receiving bishops will allow one to transfer into their care in less than a year, some will require an indefinite wait and I knew of one who required a three year period of participation and life on the new calendar. One’s former (or as it actually is, the present …) bishop may not approve if he thinks one is not a good Catholic (no prior parish registration or recorded contributions for instance), or that the reason one is leaving is to skirt canon law.
In some odd cases the church one wishes to transfer into does not actually have a bishop, because the Pope has not erected a diocese. One example could be the Russian Catholic church, which has no bishops (not even in Russia). In that case the local mission will probably be under the local Latin ordinary and if one is already a Latin Catholic living close enough it is conceivable that one’s new bishop will be the same as the old bishop!"
I've been looking this up and the best I can find so far is from the Catholic Answers Forum.
The question was posed "What’s the process of changing rites in the Church?"
That question and the answer implies that one is "in" a particular rite.
The whole answer is long but I'll post if for you anyway. Note the bit I have emboldened.
"Since sometime during the reign of Pope John Paul II it the term changing ‘rites’ is not quite appropriate.
When it was just one church with different rites that made sense, but today the various patricular ritual churches are regarded as Sui Iuris, or with it’s own law, and they are theoretically all equal before the Pope. Also, some of these Autonomous Ritual (Particular) Churches share the same liturgical tradition so one has to be specific as to which church a person is changing to. (For instance, the Ukrainian Greek Catholic church and the Romanian Greek Catholic church use the same liturgical tradition/ritual tradition, one does not join the liturgical tradition, one joins the church.)
Therefore, one does not change ‘rites’ as such, one changes churches. This is referred to as canonical enrollment, and although there are exceptions the simple answer is one is normally automatically enrolled in the church of one’s father at baptism.
Changing canonical enrollment requires the agreement of one’s present bishop as well as the receiving bishop (they will usually be different dioceses with overlapping territory). If both bishops agree, the approval of the Holy See at Rome (which reserves the right to rule on this) can be assumed.
To do this one should have the pastor of the new parish (one can join a parish of another autonomous church without actually changing canonical enrollment) help in writing the letter or letters. The pastor can help one know of the particular requirements the new bishop will place on the candidate. One should not wait for the pastor or missioner to suggest one transfer, he might never do so, for to suggest such a thing could be construed as poaching members from a sister church. He will probably be satisfied if the person enrolls in the parish and makes regular contributions.
Some receiving bishops will allow one to transfer into their care in less than a year, some will require an indefinite wait and I knew of one who required a three year period of participation and life on the new calendar. One’s former (or as it actually is, the present …) bishop may not approve if he thinks one is not a good Catholic (no prior parish registration or recorded contributions for instance), or that the reason one is leaving is to skirt canon law.
In some odd cases the church one wishes to transfer into does not actually have a bishop, because the Pope has not erected a diocese. One example could be the Russian Catholic church, which has no bishops (not even in Russia). In that case the local mission will probably be under the local Latin ordinary and if one is already a Latin Catholic living close enough it is conceivable that one’s new bishop will be the same as the old bishop!"
thanks for looking it up, and I think of course we both agree that Catholic answers, although frequented by highly knowledgeable Catholics, does not on its own produce official Catholic documents.
to be honest, reading the person's answer, it sounds more like a person baptized by someone ordained by the Catholic Church is expected to practice Christianity in one of the recognized rites.
so at the time of baptism, a person is assumed to be intending to participate in the same rite as the cleric who is officiating at the baptism.
so it's not like you're baptized into a particular rite, rather at the time of baptism you're expected to pick a rite.
or did I read that wrong?
to be honest, reading the person's answer, it sounds more like a person baptized by someone ordained by the Catholic Church is expected to practice Christianity in one of the recognized rites.
so at the time of baptism, a person is assumed to be intending to participate in the same rite as the cleric who is officiating at the baptism.
so it's not like you're baptized into a particular rite, rather at the time of baptism you're expected to pick a rite.
or did I read that wrong?