CC Quotes

[shad]

'You are absolutely correct, OSAS is a horrible doctrine. We should judge doctrines as we do humans by their fruit, and OSAS produces nothing but evil fruit.'

What this quote is saying to me and to all believers is that God's eternal salvation that redeems the sinner and imputes the righteousness of God as a free gift of grace, does not only produce evil fruit but must be evil in its nature. Salvation is not just a doctrine, it is God the Father who was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself by not imputing their sins and trespasses unto them. Salvation was God's redemptive plan to redeem sinful man from his sin and the sin nature that he inherited through Adam. The work of that plan was executed by Christ on the cross and it was a complete and finished work with nothing lacking. It provided man with the only way to God through Jesus Christ to be forgiven and cleansed and be made whole. The only way that salvation could be received is by grace and through faith. This salvation is according to the work of God and not of ourselves. Our boast is in the Lord always. To say that if any man believes this eternal and complete work of God through Jesus Christ to be evil and its fruit evil, is a very strange thing and I personally do not want any part of it.

To read that quote is a very strange thing to hear because it takes away from the cross and the eternal work that was accomplished by Christ. Every word of God is pure but that quote does not have the sound of the purity of God and I want to stay pure before God. To know that my sins have been put away and buried forever by Jesus Christ is pure. To know that the salvation that God has provided by grace is eternal and can never be taken from me is pure and makes me hunger and thirst after God. To know that God's salvation has been sealed in me is pure and it makes me want to serve God. To know that I have an advocate in Jesus Christ, who will always represent me before the Father, is something that is pure and it makes me want to hate sin and love righteousness and not want to do anything to grieve the One that saved me. Thank God through Jesus Christ that we are saved forever and the condemnation and wrath that was upon us has been lifted and removed forever.

 

[watchmen]

'You are absolutely correct, OSAS is a horrible doctrine. We should judge doctrines as we do humans by their fruit, and OSAS produces nothing but evil fruit.'

What this quote is saying to me and to all believers is that God's eternal salvation that redeems the sinner and imputes the righteousness of God as a free gift of grace, does not only produce evil fruit but must be evil in its nature.

#2 This is not at all saying God's salvation or its fruit is evil. What it is saying is the doctrine of eternal security or ''OSAS'' is evil and so is its fruit.
What is the fruit of eternal security? People living in sin, in full rebellion to God, believing themselves to be saved, and on their way to heaven, because they at one time had asked Jesus in their heart, and or were baptized.

#2 God's gift of salvation is anything but free, it cost Jesus His very life, and if you are truly saved it will cost you your as well.

Mark 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

Matthew 16
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Salvation is not just a doctrine

Salvation itself is not a doctrine, but the teaching of OSAS is, and it is a false doctrine.

 

[shad]

#2 This is not at all saying God's salvation or its fruit is evil. What it is saying is the doctrine of eternal security or ''OSAS'' is evil and so is its fruit.
What is the fruit of eternal security? People living in sin, in full rebellion to God, believing themselves to be saved, and on their way to heaven, because they at one time had asked Jesus in their heart, and or were baptized.

#2 God's gift of salvation is anything but free, it cost Jesus His very life, and if you are truly saved it will cost you your as well.

Mark 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

Matthew 16
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.


Salvation itself is not a doctrine, but the teaching of OSAS is, and it is a false doctrine.

The cross is substitutionary, Christ died in our place. He not only died for us but as us and was made to be sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

Those passages that you have referred to have nothing to do with salvation through the cross of Christ but have to do with discipleship of the believer taking up their cross and following Christ after salvation. This is what the believer is called to do, to have a personal cross that denies self and loses their life for Christ's sake. Discipleship is not my will but thine be done... here am I send me... I am crucified with Christ nevertheless I live, yet not I but Christ lives in me... death works in me that life might work in others... I die daily so that the life of Christ might be made manifest. When you lose your life this way you find it to be the life of Christ manifested in you to be revealed through you to others... for we are in Christ's stead.

 

[watchmen]

The cross is substitutionary, Christ died in our place. He not only died for us but as us and was made to be sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

Those passages that you have referred to have nothing to do with salvation through the cross of Christ but have to do with discipleship of the believer taking up their cross and following Christ after salvation. This is what the believer is called to do, to have a personal cross that denies self and loses their life for Christ's sake. Discipleship is not my will but thine be done... here am I send me... I am crucified with Christ nevertheless I live, yet not I but Christ lives in me... death works in me that life might work in others... I die daily so that the life of Christ might be made manifest. When you lose your life this way you find it to be the life of Christ manifested in you to be revealed through you to others... for we are in Christ's stead.

If you are not Christ's disciple, then you will not get into the Kingdom.

 

[DinoDillinger]

#2 This is not at all saying God's salvation or its fruit is evil. What it is saying is the doctrine of eternal security or ''OSAS'' is evil and so is its fruit.
What is the fruit of eternal security? People living in sin, in full rebellion to God, believing themselves to be saved, and on their way to heaven, because they at one time had asked Jesus in their heart, and or were baptized.

Not that I'm convinced on one side or the other on this but, you are relating the OSAS doctrine with the belief that a person is absolutey saved if they ask Jesus in their heart. You should know very well that all who pray that prayer aren't made a new creature, abiding in Christ.

OSAS can very well be dangerous to a person who thinks salvation is just saying a prayer and being excused their sins.

The truth is that salvation is a supernatural act of God. There are promises and warnings in the bible about those who are His about holding on until the end.

 

[shad]

If you are not Christ's disciple, then you will not get into the Kingdom.

Are you going to condemn believers that come to CC who are not following the Lord as a disciple and tell them that they will not inherit the kingdom of God? There are many believers that are saved and have the love of God in them but do not follow Christ in discipleship because they will not give up their self life in Adam. They are not to be condemned for not losing their life for Christ's sake, but they may suffer the loss of all rewards when they face Christ at the judgment seat. Their works may be burnt up by fire but they will be saved as by fire because the work of Christ that they received when they believed will not be burnt up. The work of believing on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation will remain and they will receive their reward and Jesus Christ will be their portion.

I know of many couples and families of believers that love God and were faithful until something happened in their local church and they stopped going. They have not attended any local church for years but they love God in their own way. They are sweet and kind people but could not believe God in a certain trial of their faith and they stopped following Christ. They got occupied with negativity and walked away from their calling. They did not deny their faith and they love Jesus Christ, but they did not continue in the trial and did not want what God had on the other side of that trial. That is what believers do when they stop taking up their cross in the trial of their faith. They keep looking back instead of looking forward. They liked what God had for them in this place but to go on to the next place they wanted no part of it. When the hard sayings come and the demands of discipleship get greater many go back and don't follow Him to the next place. They don't lose what they have received, they just stop receiving and growing because it cost them their life to go on. They want to preserve who they are instead of being crucified with Christ in their experience and relationship with Him.

 

[imoss]

awesome post Shad. I think that I am just as saved now as I was 19 years ago a babe in Christ making Oh so many mistakes and not doing Gods perfect will in all things. We are filled with the Holy Spirit who convicts us of our sin but to say that our works can in any way make us worthy of the kingdom of God is a lie, cause we are human, we are unworthy every single day whether by a single thought or a mis-spoken word. God is the judge of all & I reserve judgement to the Lord on issues of salvation. All I know is I have absolute total and complete confidence in the price my Lord and saviour paid for me and I am covered by the blood of the Lamb Jesus Christ and I know when I go I will look upon the face of the Lord and I am excited by this prospect, will I even be able to look at his face... Oh my Lord my precious Lord how great your suffering for me unworthy me. Thank you Lord. I suppose i more envision me falling down by his feet and clinging to his calves like my son used to do to me when he was 3. My point being, you all can strutt about in puffed up self righteousness and state you have no sin (I happen to know you have sin!!), my self, i'm going to cling to the coat tails of Christ's righteousness and live this life constantly growing in my walk with and in service to the Lord.

 

[Thaddaeus]

Ok Ok Ok 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Now I counted to ten Lord, I am sick and tried of people who don't believe in Osas , to lump everyone that does into the group of People who abuses the Love, grace and Mercy Of God, I believe that God saved me, I believe that God will keep me saved, But I also Believe That we must walk in the Spirit and Not in the flesh, I also preach holiness , righteousness, striving to be perfect even as our Father is perfect, Not only do I preach this I try my very best to live what I preach. I believe that most of the ones that believe that we can fall away from The Grace of God or that we can walk away from God, that all they have to do is repent and God will restore or Resave them. so if it is as simple as going to the wild party this week end and getting saved again on sunday and Church then repeat this every week, is also a very dangerous doctrine, I believe anytime we try to serve two masters is a very dangerous way of life, but here is a verse which I have quoted many times with this matter, That God will give us over to satan that the flesh might be destoried , but the spirit is saved. I struggle with this issue Because i have lost friends over this very issue and Church members and I never want to mislead anyone, and God alway shows me scriptures where that He is in charge, that salvation is of the Lord, that It is By Grace we are saved. but God laid this on my heart the other day, we can not find in the scriptures where it ever says that ye must be saved again. I can find scriptures that it is a one shot deal as far as sacrifice, that once the blood has been applied there remians no more sacrifice. doesn't the very verse you all use as far as putting the hand to the plow , does it say just put the hand back on the plow and salvation will be restored No No No!!!, But here is the thing I see from scriptures Now I know that there is a in house debate as far as when the disciples were saved , and a lot of poeple leaned toward pentecost, But Jesus did say while He was still with them, about them rejoicing about having powers of the demons , to not rejoice about that but to rejoice that they names were written in heaven, so God pointed out to me that if anyone in the Bible could have lost their salvation, the best example would have been peter when he not only denied knowing Jesus the Christ but cussed about it on the third and last time. if ye be ashamed of me I will be ashamed of you before the Father. But after that we don't find anywhere where Jesus said Peter Ye need to be saved again, But we find Jesus asking peter 3 times If ye love, see peter even though He failed Jesus three times He still Loved Him and think it strange that 3 times peter denied him and 3 times Jesus ask peter doth thou, Love me. love covers sin!! again Jesus didn't say well then peter ye need to be saved again But rather Feed My sheep, i get just as frustated with those that believe that they can do something to keep themselves saves , as much as you all do at the ones who misuses salavation as a license to sin. For if you really think about it Your faith is in your works and not the works of Christ. That you have to be strong While I say that Jesus is my strength if I get in, it will be all Jesus.


Eph 2:8For BY GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

 

[watchmen]

Are you going to condemn believers that come to CC who are not following the Lord as a disciple and tell them that they will not inherit the kingdom of God?

I do not condemn anyone but scripture tells us if you are not following Christ then you are not a follower of Christ. You think common sense would tell us that as well.

 

[watchmen]

Ok Ok Ok 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Now I counted to ten Lord, I am sick and tried of people who don't believe in Osas

OSAS is a very dangerous doctrine created by satan himself to keep people from realizing the need for true repentance.

 

[Thaddaeus]

OSAS is a very dangerous doctrine created by satan himself to keep people from realizing the need for true repentance.

Judging is also a dangerous sin and if you believe you can lose your salvation, Then I would be very careful on telling me that i have never had true repentance, I will let God be the Judge of that thank you

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

OSAS is a very dangerous doctrine created by satan himself to keep people from realizing the need for true repentance.

You know Watchmen....I use to be one of those I'm set in my ways of OSAS type of people...then God used someone to show me otherwise...scary stuff....really it is....cause God's word says if we blasphemy the Holy Ghost we can't be forgiven, and lose salvation. If we walk away from God, we walk away and leave everything God ever did for and gave to us. We lose it...we give it up ourself. He doesn't take it from us, and doesn't walk away from us....we turn our back on those things,and on Him...not a smart move, but yeah....

Not only that, but many other things God has shown me. I'm in total awe. I agree, OSAS does teach that you can sin all you want and it's okay...which includes blaspeming the Holy Ghost. Not something I'd want to tell others. In fact, a decon at my ''old'' church,...I don't go there now, he stood up and preached one night, and he said ''you can blasphemy the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost, and you can be forgiven''. His exact words! I was so bothered by that, and I told my grandparents, I'm sorry, but God's word says other wise. He then said ''just don't tell anyone you can, because it's not a good thing to do, it's bad, but you can do it and be forgiven''.

*shrugs* anyhow, I use to be set on OSAS until recently,I mean VERY recently God showed me differently.

 

[GEORGIE]

well i cant remember exactly but its in Romans you guys will know where scriptures says all that you do do for the lord and those who think one thing is right or more right it is right for that person but if it is for god then everything is ok. i dont know about what osas are its just to much words to read sorry lazzyness is kicking in

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

well i cant remember exactly but its in Romans you guys will know where scriptures says all that you do do for the lord and those who think one thing is right or more right it is right for that person but if it is for god then everything is ok. i dont know about what osas are its just to much words to read sorry lazzyness is kicking in

LOL lazzyness kicking in! OSAS is once saved, always saved.

 

[GEORGIE]

oh thats uhm interesting, i know that if you know the truth and you still go against the truth you are more guitly than those who do not know Jesus and all he did for us

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

yes, and I can't recall the verse right off hand, anyways, it says that if you know the truth, and turn from it, you're lost, and not saved...and in worse shape than before you ever got saved...that in itself proves OSAS is false. Oh I found it, 2 Peter 2:20-22

 

[GEORGIE]

yeah where the osa busters look out world he he

 

[Thaddaeus]

cause God's word says if we blasphemy the Holy Ghost we can't be forgiven, and lose salvation. quote]
never says lose your salvation says it won't be forgiven, you are adding to scriptures when you say it does. no one ever truely saved would ever speak bad of the Father , the Son or the Holy Ghost. a good tree can not bring forth corrupt fruit

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

cause God's word says if we blasphemy the Holy Ghost we can't be forgiven, and lose salvation. quote]
never says lose your salvation says it won't be forgiven, you are adding to scriptures when you say it does. no one ever truely saved would ever speak bad of the Father , the Son or the Holy Ghost. a good tree can not bring forth corrupt fruit

I didn't add anything, maybe I said the wrong thing on accident, I'm tired, go figure. However, it was a mistake, so what, sue me... either way, my point stands on the matter, and I was talking to someone else. so peace.

 

[GEORGIE]

hey gods mercy is forever we are thought only what scripture says because it is what god wants us to know, not what is in his mind, if we knew what God wants and all he is well you know, scripture says something like when the lords precense is seen mountains will melt before him now that is Godly, hence Godly love, Godly mercy, Godly wisdom, and Godly judgment he is the great "I AM" not the "i think he is like this" but its all god i admire your passion sir