CESSATIONISM AND HEALING

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wolfwint

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Blessed is who is not seeing but believes. So don't promote signs & gifted healers.

Don't also preach the false message justifying christians being in sickness.

Don't hinder the work of encouraging christians to believe Christ for healing and proclaim the gospel.
At First I never promotet signs and "giftet"healers. ( the question is from whom giftet)
Second, I pray for sick persons. And I turn the View to Christ. But I dont give them false promisses, like you do with your claim.
 
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Maby you did not understand me. You are praising the blood. But you are not praising the Lord Jesus. You make a different between both.
Bible says believe in Jesus Christ and you are saved. Bible says not believe in the blood of Jesus Christ.
Bible does not say "Believe in Lord Jesus but deny His blood which was shed for forgiveness (Ephesians 1:7-1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood").

Revelation 12:11: "They triumphed over him (satan) by the blood of the Lamb (Jesus)". Are you afraid of Christ's blood?
 
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Maby you did not understand me. You are praising the blood. But you are not praising the Lord Jesus. You make a different between both.
Bible says believe in Jesus Christ and you are saved. Bible says not believe in the blood of Jesus Christ.
Bible does not say "Believe in Lord Jesus but deny His blood which was shed for forgiveness (Ephesians 1:7-1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood").

Revelation 12:11: "They triumphed over him (satan) by the blood of the Lamb (Jesus)". Are you afraid of Christ's blood?
 
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At First I never promotet signs and "giftet"healers. ( the question is from whom giftet)
Second, I pray for sick persons. And I turn the View to Christ. But I dont give them false promisses, like you do with your claim.
So you are scared sick christians wouldn't visit you for healing if you teach them their faith could heal them of their sicknesses according to Mark 9:23?
 

wolfwint

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Bible does not say "Believe in Lord Jesus but deny His blood which was shed for forgiveness (Ephesians 1:7-1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood").

Revelation 12:11: "They triumphed over him (satan) by the blood of the Lamb (Jesus)". Are you afraid of Christ's blood?
No, but you are talking about blood instedt of the Person who shed the blood.
 

wolfwint

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So you are scared sick christians wouldn't visit you for healing if you teach them their faith could heal them of their sicknesses according to Mark 9:23?
Still you promote a false teaching, which deceives People which Trust your teaching.
 
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Bible does not say "Believe in Lord Jesus but deny His blood which was shed for forgiveness (Ephesians 1:7-1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood").

Revelation 12:11: "They triumphed over him (satan) by the blood of the Lamb (Jesus)". Are you afraid of Christ's blood?
Lifeless spiritless dust mixed with water is not to be feared . A person can shake it off and wash their feet. (gospel)

The spiritual unseen life is in the blood not of the blood. .Literal temporal blood without the unseen spirit has no breath to offer .It is breathless, spiritless clay that cannot do any work.

According to the law of God. Blood without the spirit essence of life must be poured out so that it can return to the clay field . To take it literally into ones person as that which comes out draught is a abomination.

The eternal Spirit gives life to the flesh not the other way around upside down as the atheist Jew taught. Taking away the understanding of the Potter. It took away the understanding of sola scriptura .

We cannot serve the oral traditions of men and the perfect law of God. One is our teaching Good Master

God is not a man.

Again to eat the flesh or drink blood of the living .Drinking and eating is one in the same. It must not be drank or literally eaten . . .an abomination of desolation.

Genesis 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Blood like water represents life the temporal seen. It never becomes eternal Spirit .God is not a man.

Blood with life in it represents the unseen work of the spirit that dwells in the believer. We are the temple we have the treasure of the power. His not of us. .

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Once we understand that water and blood represent the life or strength of Christ in us empowering us to move according to the will of another . Then the parables that seem to make no sense when compared to similar parables can begin to.

Then we can drink the blood of men as it represents the unseen work of God working in them .

Christ poured out his own spiritual life in jeopardy of death .He suffered unto death. He did not die never to rise from the wage of sin .

John 6:54-57 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

Catholicism takes it after the literal drinking of blood the abomination of desolation . making the spirutl unseen understanding without effect .

Beautiful picture of the gospel in the old testament .Using David (beloved of the father) to signify the Son of man Jesus .
David sufferings in prisoned famine in a thirst in a hope of hearing the gospel .God sends three mighty men he moved.. with three denoting the end of a matter.

David was given the faith to understand. He would not drink of the water of the gospel taken a living water of the well by the city of bread. But he poured it out as one pours of the lifeless blood of a sacrifice. To show spiritual life was given in jeopardy of ones own spirit .

Blood is not Spirit. That is the pagan foundation established in the garden of Eden. . Walk by sight, out of sight out of mind and the glory of God not seen departed.

2 Samuel 23: 14;17 And David was then in an hold, and the garrison of the Philistines was then in Bethlehem.(city of bread) And David longed, and said, Oh that one would give me drink of the water of the well of Bethlehem, which is by the gate! And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the Lord. And he said, Be it far from me, O Lord, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men.

In the parable above it would seem clear that God is revealing his gospel as in how we can hear . Blood or water both represent the unseen Spirit the gospel understanding. God is not a man.
 
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Lifeless spiritless dust mixed with water is not to be feared . A person can shake it off and wash their feet. (gospel)

The spiritual unseen life is in the blood not of the blood. .Literal temporal blood without the unseen spirit has no breath to offer .It is breathless, spiritless clay that cannot do any work.

According to the law of God. Blood without the spirit essence of life must be poured out so that it can return to the clay field . To take it literally into ones person as that which comes out draught is a abomination.

The eternal Spirit gives life to the flesh not the other way around upside down as the atheist Jew taught. Taking away the understanding of the Potter. It took away the understanding of sola scriptura .

We cannot serve the oral traditions of men and the perfect law of God. One is our teaching Good Master

God is not a man.

Again to eat the flesh or drink blood of the living .Drinking and eating is one in the same. It must not be drank or literally eaten . . .an abomination of desolation.

Genesis 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Blood like water represents life the temporal seen. It never becomes eternal Spirit .God is not a man.

Blood with life in it represents the unseen work of the spirit that dwells in the believer. We are the temple we have the treasure of the power. His not of us. .

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Once we understand that water and blood represent the life or strength of Christ in us empowering us to move according to the will of another . Then the parables that seem to make no sense when compared to similar parables can begin to.

Then we can drink the blood of men as it represents the unseen work of God working in them .

Christ poured out his own spiritual life in jeopardy of death .He suffered unto death. He did not die never to rise from the wage of sin .

John 6:54-57 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

Catholicism takes it after the literal drinking of blood the abomination of desolation . making the spirutl unseen understanding without effect .

Beautiful picture of the gospel in the old testament .Using David (beloved of the father) to signify the Son of man Jesus .
David sufferings in prisoned famine in a thirst in a hope of hearing the gospel .God sends three mighty men he moved.. with three denoting the end of a matter.

David was given the faith to understand. He would not drink of the water of the gospel taken a living water of the well by the city of bread. But he poured it out as one pours of the lifeless blood of a sacrifice. To show spiritual life was given in jeopardy of ones own spirit .

Blood is not Spirit. That is the pagan foundation established in the garden of Eden. . Walk by sight, out of sight out of mind and the glory of God not seen departed.

2 Samuel 23: 14;17 And David was then in an hold, and the garrison of the Philistines was then in Bethlehem.(city of bread) And David longed, and said, Oh that one would give me drink of the water of the well of Bethlehem, which is by the gate! And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the Lord. And he said, Be it far from me, O Lord, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men.

In the parable above it would seem clear that God is revealing his gospel as in how we can hear . Blood or water both represent the unseen Spirit the gospel understanding. God is not a man.
Believe Christ's atonement for healing and preach the gospel. Don't trust or lead others to trust in gifted healers for healing.
 
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Still you promote a false teaching, which deceives People which Trust your teaching.
Don't deceive christians into trusting you for healing. Let them proclaim the gospel.
 

wolfwint

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Don't deceive christians into trusting you for healing. Let them proclaim the gospel.
I never encouraged people to Trust me. Maby you should read my posts instead of interprete them wrong.
 

miknik5

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Blood of Christ denotes His good works by which we are blessed.
You very well might mean well and think you are doing a good work, but you aren´t. I believe that you are just following the wrong shepherd, someone who has put this idea in your head that christians are weak and faultering and that they run after men fo
Without healing no christian can fulfill the great commission of the Lord.
Of course...and yet, you continue to put more emphasis on temporal healing to those who have been.....truly healed....
 

miknik5

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Teach christians to not depend on other's prayers for healing and teach them to proclaim the gospel.
Teach yourself sir and leave your brother/sister to THEIR LORD...HE will judge all things... all the hidden secret motives of the heart and the mind of ALL men are not hidden from HIM...
 

miknik5

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So you deny Christ is the only mediator before God? That's your problem. You want gifted healers to be mediators of christians before God?
See? You don´t even know what you are saying...therefore, how can you even assume to be a teacher
 

miknik5

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Ephesians
2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith — and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God —

2:9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Boast only about Christ's good works on the cross.
Where is CHRIST sir?
 

miknik5

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The purpose of spiritual gifts is to help newly converted christians be strengthened to go and proclaim Christ's righteousness. The purpose is not to keep christians dependent for healing on the gifted ministers.
The purpose is to proclaim something more than that sir...the purpose is to proclaim the TRUE GOSPEL

What is the TRUE GOSPEL, sir?