Chosen by God - A study in Election

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God's gracious choice is to choose ALL HUMANITY for salvation. But unless a sinner obeys the Gospel, he will remain lost.

Looks like you remain in bondage to false doctrine. So here's something to wake you up: Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. (Isa 45:22)


You have constantly said,that unless a sinner obeys the Gospel,he will remain lost.

For about the 10 th time.please back it up with scripture?,thank you.

If you can’t back it up....then please stop being led by what “YOU” believe....because it’s not scriptural and is false teaching.
 
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God's gracious choice is to choose ALL HUMANITY for salvation. But unless a sinner obeys the Gospel, he will remain lost.

Looks like you remain in bondage to false doctrine. So here's something to wake you up: Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. (Isa 45:22)

The truth in your first statement is clear, simple and biblical truth. Amen!!

Calvinism twists, changes, denies God's gracious choice. Can we say then it not the God of the Bible? :unsure:

Proverbs 29:1 states, "He, that being "often" reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy."

If grace is irresistible there would be no need for often.
 

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Rom 8:9
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

Does the HS submit to the will of fallen men, and provide this Spirit on demand, on command, as reward or payment to complete the transaction that MAN has initiated by "graciously choosing" to believe?
 
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The truth in your first statement is clear, simple and biblical truth. Amen!!

Calvinism twists, changes, denies God's gracious choice. Can we say then it not the God of the Bible? :unsure:

Proverbs 29:1 states, "He, that being "often" reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy."

If grace is irresistible there would be no need for often.

There is no truth in ,unless a sinner obeys the gospel he will remain lost....that teaching is well and truly false.

Once again,I have also asked you to produce srcripture.....still waiting?

I was in darkness and was brought into God’s light,by God,without reading a bible.

Why do you always bring Calvin into the discussion,when we disagree with you?
 
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Rom 8:9
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

Does the HS submit to the will of fallen men, and provide this Spirit on demand, on command, as reward or payment to complete the transaction that MAN has initiated by "graciously choosing" to believe?


Your first sentence,Amen.

Your second sentence NO!.....with a capital N!
 
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There is no truth in ,unless a sinner obeys the gospel he will remain lost....that teaching is well and truly false.

Once again,I have also asked you to produce srcripture.....still waiting?

I was in darkness and was brought into God’s light,by God,without reading a bible.

Why do you always bring Calvin into the discussion,when we disagree with you?
Oh I will ... I will get back to you when I have more time.
 
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Oh I will ... I will get back to you when I have more time.

I have been asking you this for weeks...how much time do you need?

Many,,come to the Lord,or should I say the Lord comes to them,without reading a bible.

I should know,God Saved me,without a bible..for some reason you find that extremely hard to swallow.
 
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I have been asking you this for weeks...how much time do you need?

Many,,come to the Lord,or should I say the Lord comes to them,without reading a bible.

I should know,God Saved me,without a bible..for some reason you find that extremely hard to swallow.
You have?
Your stance is you did not obey the Gospel call correct?
 
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You have?
Your stance is you did not obey the Gospel call correct?


Huh?
Show me scripture please?.....stop twisting something i didn’t say....show me since I have been saved,where I said I have never obeyed the gospel?

I did not obey the Gospel call?

Produce the scripture I asked for please?
Not trying to put words into my mouth that I never said.
I wait in anticipation for that scripture.
Explained my saving to you a couple of days ago,for about the 10 th..time...you ignored it.not explaining an 11 th time.
 

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Ephesians 1:12,13,15,16-23

We trusted,AFTER we heard the WORD OF TRUTH,then believed in our hearts the inheritance of redemption.

Believing and trusting that Jesus IS God's son and we are His purchased possession.
Believing in His message of the Father's will,His death for our sin penalty,His burial,His resurrection and the exceeding greatness of His power to us-ward who believe.

ALL THINGS ARE UNDER HIS FEET AND HE IS HEAD OVER ALL THINGS TO THE " CHURCH" ( HIS CHURCH AND BRIDE!)
 
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Well maybe you can explain yourself then?

I don’t need to explain.....it’s not scriptural,full stop.....not my word my dear...it’s God’s word.....

Man made words...unless a sinner obeys the gospel he will remain lost,
 

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"The bible is crystal-clear: God is choosing believers. Not the other way around."
Thats what I said. Several times in several ways. Yes.
 

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The word for "appointed" is G5021 "tetagmenoi / tasso"... and under HELPS Word-Studies at BibleHub, says this: "[5021 (tássō) was "primarily a military term meaning 'to draw up in order, arrange in place, assign, appoint, order' " (A-S).]" [bold and underline mine]

There is some question as to whether the word in this verse is "Middle Voice" or "Passive Voice" (passive would mean this was done unto them [entirely by someone else], but the middle voice would not).

https://biblehub.com/text/acts/13-48.htm [middle or passive: "M/P"]

This is when we look to the rest of the CONTEXT to see if there are any other clues that would inform us... and there are: In verses 42-46. ;) [verse 46 also speaks of an ORDER: "*first*" to the Jews, right?]
The question is: who is doing the "arranging" aka appointing? Certainly not a bunch of ignorant gentiles. A higher power perhaps? And when? From eternity past as the Bible so eloquently declares?
 

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The word for "appointed" is G5021 "tetagmenoi / tasso"... and under HELPS Word-Studies at BibleHub, says this: "[5021 (tássō) was "primarily a military term meaning 'to draw up in order, arrange in place, assign, appoint, order' " (A-S).]" [bold and underline mine]

There is some question as to whether the word in this verse is "Middle Voice" or "Passive Voice" (passive would mean this was done unto them [entirely by someone else], but the middle voice would not).

https://biblehub.com/text/acts/13-48.htm [middle or passive: "M/P"]

This is when we look to the rest of the CONTEXT to see if there are any other clues that would inform us... and there are: In verses 42-46. ;) [verse 46 also speaks of an ORDER: "*first*" to the Jews, right?]
What I meant to say is these gentiles certainly did not appoint themselves. Nor was it Paul doing the appointing. It was a third party.

God, the Trinity was the appointer.
 
I detect a consistent pattern of dodging bobbing weaving sidestepping and dancing a jig as it relates to this particular question. I'm just asking for the facts no more no less.

If you please and if you have time and if you don't mind can you post some Scriptures that relate to mans will as it relates to salvation? I for one would really appreciate it and many others are looking forward to it as well. Thank you.
This is just the book of Acts. Should I continue through Paul's epistles?
  1. Acts 2:44
    And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

  2. Acts 4:4
    Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.

  3. Acts 4:32
    And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

  4. Acts 5:14
    And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)

  5. Acts 8:12
    But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

  6. Acts 8:13
    Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

  7. Acts 8:37
    And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

  8. Acts 9:42
    And it was known throughout all Joppa; and many believed in the Lord.

  9. Acts 10:43
    To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

  10. Acts 11:17
    Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

  11. Acts 11:21
    And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord.

  12. Acts 13:12
    Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord.

  13. Acts 13:39
    And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.


  14. Acts 14:1
    And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed.

  15. Acts 14:23
    And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

  16. Acts 15:7
    And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

  17. Acts 15:11
    But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

  18. Acts 16:1
    Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek:
Didn't ask for verses that say believers believe t* for verses that say man's will is free you haven't shown one verse that says man has free will
 

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Didn't ask for verses that say believers believe t* for verses that say man's will is free you haven't shown one verse that says man has free will
If I’m chosen to believe against my will, then it’s not belief.
 

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Show me in scripture,But unless a sinner obeys the gospel he will remain lost?
ROMANS 10: ISRAEL FAILED TO THE OBEY THE GOSPEL
16 But they have not all obeyed the Gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.


MATTHEW 23: JUDGMENT CAME UPON ISRAEL FOR DISOBEYING THE GOSPEL
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
[prophecy regarding 70 AD]
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

LUKE 13: THE BARREN FIG TREE (ISRAEL) CUT DOWN
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish*.
6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
[Note: Christ spent three and a half years ministering to Israel]
8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.


*"Ye shall all likewise perish" speaks of eternal damnation (John 3:16). The word "perish" does not mean annihilation. It means eternal ruin in Hell.
 
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