CHRIST DIED FOR THE UNGODLY

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throughfaith

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phil36 said:
All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.

Paul states things wonderfully here.. We are sinners by nature...our very nature we are born with before we even sinned.


5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me
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'sin nature ' and ' inheriting Adams guilt ' is found no where .
 
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You need to read more carefully throughfaith.
 
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Did you read the verse before the one you posted...
 
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The verse before the one you posted to make your claim. Your the Paul guy you should know straight away what I'm referring to?
 
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phil36 said:
The verse before the one you posted to make your claim. Your the Paul guy you should know straight away what I'm referring to?
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phil36 said:
All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.

Paul states things wonderfully here.. We are sinners by nature...our very nature we are born with before we even sinned.

5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me
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Its not always clear with the translation your using.
2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
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This is saying nothing about inheriting the guilt of Adam . Just that as paul says ' All have sinned and fall short '
 
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phil36 said:
The verse before the one you posted to make your claim. Your the Paul guy you should know straight away what I'm referring to?
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Rom 5 .
Clear verse that SAYS directly .
12¶Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned :
 
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throughfaith said:
Rom 5 .
Clear verse that SAYS directly .
12¶Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned :
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Ok now read on and you'll get your answer.
 
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