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I'm tired of this game.

I can't take you seriously. I can't take ANYONE seriously who claims they do no wrong.

Your message is NOT Jesus Christ's message, no matter how you try to twist and tweak things to make it SOUND SIMILAR.

Jesus Christ died for MY sins, and YOUR sins (yes, you HAD and STILL HAVE the pesky HUMAN FLESH--oh wait, unless you're going to claim you're not even human...in which case,your entire argument makes perfect sense).

What you mean is you cant take Christ seriously, if you did you woule be like Him. He in you and you in Him as one.

Jesus did die for you sins and came to take away the sins of this wolrd but, you do not believe that He can do that. Andaccording to you and as for not taking away your sin he died for nothing. He didnt accomplis in you that what he came for. And as far as my flesh, it is dead in Christ and He is risen in it.
 
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The same reason that you cant do it yourself.
I can fly on a plane, but i see now you are just playing word games. you would have people say fly "in" a plane.

I attest that if you stand ON the floor of the plane it is the same as flying ON a plane.

if you were as careful with the correct usage of Christ, begotten, virgin, and born again, we would not have so much issues for you would understand the TRUE Gospel according the Bible instead of twisting it around and fitting your own self serving self promoting beliefs so that you can practice telling people the only reason they don't understanding YOU is because THEY LACK what YOU THINK you have.

oh well. Sorry i thought you had a medical reason or something for not being able to fly.thought perhaps you had a real issue we should all pray about. Nevermind, I was mistaken. I apologize.

should have recognized the games being played.

Matthew 25
29 ‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
 
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Actually A Christians eyes has been opened and if there isa facet missing then your eyes are still closed to His truth and Christ is missing from your being. He really does open eyes to his light.

And we do not tend to not understand, we in Christ understand perfectly, all of heaven is opend to us. Jesus spoke in parables to those who did not know what it is to have what he had. And I never have read where Jesus said if you say you can see, you remain in sin, you will have to quote that one to me.

You don’t have faith to see doent mean others don’t, it only means you don’t. And you cant hear Him at all without using faith to begin with. And Christ in you teaches YOU to exchange grace for grace.

John 9;41 You have read over it many times and did not see it.
 

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John 9;41 You have read over it many times and did not see it.
excellent point Yaright.

No matter how many times i quoted out of scripture he would simply 'over talk' me.
 
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John 9;41 You have read over it many times and did not see it.

Yes I have read it many times. And you need to look at the whole before you make comment and not take it out of context with your opinions of what he is trying to tell you and see that he came to shut the eyes of the ones who THINK they know the way and they which think they see be made blind to their own eye of understanding and put on His. And this is where you are. You think you see by your laws for tradition which make your god what you want him to be. Jesus makes us blind to such and opens our eyes to His way instead of your way. Your way is not His way at all. His way is for you to see what He sees and have His mind and His Spirit the same.


It isn’t that you are blind, you see what only that what you know, it is that which you don’t know that you are blinded to. And as the blind man, he hadn’t a clue what was standing before him all, he couldn’t see it all but he knew what he saw after. You should have the same faith, I guarantee you, you will see that what you didn’t see before and now as you sand. He will make you blind to your old ways of seeing.


If ye were blind to your old way, you would have no sin at all just as it says -- for in Christ, His understanding, his light, His eyes to see, there is no sin at all. And you who say you are sinner see only what the carnal man sees and that is you see you are a sinner and do not see what it is to be without sin and His rightious. That is the message in that text through the EYEs of Christ.
I thought you were more advanced in understanding.


36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
40 And [some] of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
 
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I can fly on a plane, but i see now you are just playing word games. you would have people say fly "in" a plane.

I attest that if you stand ON the floor of the plane it is the same as flying ON a plane.

if you were as careful with the correct usage of Christ, begotten, virgin, and born again, we would not have so much issues for you would understand the TRUE Gospel according the Bible instead of twisting it around and fitting your own self serving self promoting beliefs so that you can practice telling people the only reason they don't understanding YOU is because THEY LACK what YOU THINK you have.

oh well. Sorry i thought you had a medical reason or something for not being able to fly.thought perhaps you had a real issue we should all pray about. Nevermind, I was mistaken. I apologize.

should have recognized the games being played.

Matthew 25
29 ‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
You cant even understand my simple message, If you had His faith you would heal her yourself and wouldnt need me at all.

And the game you are playing by saying dub stuff like hop on a plane and come heal. How childish is that!

ANd He does give more to me all and these things are added to me as Matt 25 states for me.

And as for the TRUE GOSPEL and your doctrine beeing better that that of Christ be in me to teach me His way ...Personally I dont think your way is better than His way for me at all!
 
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You cant even understand my simple message, If you had His faith you would heal her yourself and wouldnt need me at all.

And the game you are playing by saying dub stuff like hop on a plane and come heal. How childish is that!

ANd He does give more to me all and these things are added to me as Matt 25 states for me.

And as for the TRUE GOSPEL and your doctrine beeing better that that of Christ be in me to teach me His way ...Personally I dont think your way is better than His way for me at all!
 

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You cant even understand my simple message, If you had His faith you would heal her yourself and wouldnt need me at all.

And the game you are playing by saying dub stuff like hop on a plane and come heal. How childish is that!

ANd He does give more to me all and these things are added to me as Matt 25 states for me.

And as for the TRUE GOSPEL and your doctrine beeing better that that of Christ be in me to teach me His way ...Personally I dont think your way is better than His way for me at all!

not heal.
i said dead, in the grave for 4 days until he stinketh.

you said you are a duplicate of the Father, and can do what Christ did.

can you raise a man dead in the grave 4 days GARYMAC?

a simple yes or no will suffice.

WILL YOU COME AND RAISE THE DEAD MAN FROM HIS GRAVE 4 DAYS AFTER THEY BURY HIM PLEASE?

obfuscation just proves you're another crackpot.
 

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What I think of 'amillennialism' or covenant theology has nothing to do with how you have addressed GaryMac. The only revenge I am after is to be obedient to the truth (2Cor 10:6).You are an independent Christian that has her own theology which has not been submitted to the whole counsel of God that has been given to the church and body of Christ. That is your prerogative but it does not prove all things especially in this matter or in any of the others that you perpetrate. GaryMac has no malice and is not revengeful as you have accused me of being. This is how he understands these matters of truth and he has a good heart concerning these matters of truth whether you ascribe to that or not.
when are you going to start then?

i didn't invent amillennialism Red. but the Amillennialists on this forum appear unwilling to stand for what they know is the truth. that's fine.

i'll stand alone. and i'll keep proving your dispensational theology is folly, and makes christian into murderers.

GaryMac is just another godman....they come and go.
you can support his junk if you want to. and you will.

you didn't address this (try leaving me out of it for change...if you can manage it):

Red33:

GaryMac says THE MESSAGE OF THE CROSS IS:

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The message in the cross is:

death to the flesh man
an resurrection of the Spirit man
a new birth, Born again......

Christ birthed in you, His life giving seed reproducing a duplicate of the Father...

All the examples you read of in the book is for YOU and about YOU and who YOU are.

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Red33: is that the message of The Cross?
Red 33....are YOU A DUPLICATE OF THE FATHER?
how about addressing the above doctrine Red?

you said:
I am after is to be obedient to the truth

is GaryMac telling the truth about the message of The Cross?
or does it even matter?
 

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There seems to be a facet missing in this witness; something that isn't easy to see because as christians, we tend to not understand that we are indeed blind, and faith came by the hearing of the Word and we believed. Jesus gives parable language to teach us who we are and why we are that way in God's sight. It is because many parable (life) languages are read as if about someone else, that a person lacks understanding on a personal level concerning the things Jesus desired we come to understand. This is no small problem in christian circles for lack of leadership. It's worth repeating something Jesus said, "IF you say you can see, you remain in your sin." This is not about someone else, and the parable language of the blind man then becomes very personal. I do not consider this as applied faith. We do not have faith to apply; but when we heard the Word of God and believed, it was in the believing of something that gave hope where there was no hope while we remained in the confinement of sin; and that hope being grace found in Christ.
see new thread ...a first rate exegetical examination of those passages by phil johnson.
audio, and are found on YouTube and in text format.

i recommend them highly....will post on new thread for any who are interested.

yaright, i understand that you seek "creation language" in every message in scripture.

and its there, for sure.

but not every where.

why is it so hard to read Historical Narrative as historical narrative?
visions as visions?
poetry as poetry
parables as parables
allegory as allegory
etc/

the Historical grammatical method comes in handy.
 
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not heal.
i said dead, in the grave for 4 days until he stinketh.

you said you are a duplicate of the Father, and can do what Christ did.

can you raise a man dead in the grave 4 days GARYMAC?

a simple yes or no will suffice.

WILL YOU COME AND RAISE THE DEAD MAN FROM HIS GRAVE 4 DAYS AFTER THEY BURY HIM PLEASE?

obfuscation just proves you're another crackpot.

No I cant, even Jesus couldnt do many mighty works because of their doubt and unbelief, same here with you. I have done everything to raise yor from the dead in Christ and because of your unbelief Jesus himself cant do that in you. You are dead to His SPirit and choose to remain there.

Now if you are asking if I go out to a grave yard and try and raise those who are there. Well no, these already made their choice and there is no coming back. Between heaven and hell is a great gulf fixed and once you pass over and in a grave, there is no coming back. God is a God of the living, not the dead.

Try and use a little maturiety here and try and see that it is you who is suposed to be that person of christ and these signs are suposed to follow you, it will help your understanding about such things.
 
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can and will you raise a man buried and dead four days?

yes or no?

This isnt about me and who I am in Christ. He and I are one. This is about you and who you are in Hi, Either you are as He is or you are not. ANd your confession is, no you are not. But you are suposed to be, one with Him, He in you and you in Him as one.
 

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No I cant, even Jesus couldnt do many mighty works because of their doubt and unbelief, same here with you. I have done everything to raise yor from the dead in Christ and because of your unbelief Jesus himself cant do that in you. You are dead to His SPirit and choose to remain there.

Now if you are asking if I go out to a grave yard and try and raise those who are there. Well no, these already made their choice and there is no coming back. Between heaven and hell is a great gulf fixed and once you pass over and in a grave, there is no coming back. God is a God of the living, not the dead.

Try and use a little maturiety here and try and see that it is you who is suposed to be that person of christ and these signs are suposed to follow you, it will help your understanding about such things.
so, though you have everything Jesus had in Him, and you birthed the christ within, and you are duplicate of the Father, you can not raise the dead, as Christ did.

can you call a blinding mist on a man interfering with the gospel?

are people healed walking in your shadow?

don't patronize me......it laughable.

so you changed your story. you said you COULD do it....but apparently it depends on MY FAITH whether or not you are able. and YOU must have the faith of christ to do it.

i thought you said you had it it all? all the Father gave Jesus (who according to you was the natural child of Joseph) He gave to you. so why can't you raise the dead?

you can't "raise" anyone to life with your words, since you don't preach THE GOSPEL.
 

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This isnt about me and who I am in Christ. He and I are one. This is about you and who you are in Hi, Either you are as He is or you are not. ANd your confession is, no you are not. But you are suposed to be, one with Him, He in you and you in Him as one.
yes it is.
you made it about you and who you claim to be' in christ'.
too bad you NEVER understood John 17.
 

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John 17:20-23 Speaks of agreement with one another in Christ.

Thus if we believe in Jesus we become in unity with God (oneness)

However Jesus is not just one with the Father but they are ONE and the SAME, Jesus is God. He became mortal flesh and dwelled among us and later His flesh and bone body became glorified after the resurrection. There are many scripture to back this up.

We may be one with Him because we believe in His Son and it all comes in agreement that creates unity but we are NOT the same as to say we are God, we are NOT.

So Gary instead of saying "I and the Father are one" rather say we as Christians are in Him and He in us..(although we should keep on abiding in Him and He in us. It's better this way because people see's you and regarding yourself as "superior"

John 17:20-23
My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
 
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see new thread ...a first rate exegetical examination of those passages by phil johnson.
audio, and are found on YouTube and in text format.

i recommend them highly....will post on new thread for any who are interested.

yaright, i understand that you seek "creation language" in every message in scripture.

and its there, for sure.

but not every where.

why is it so hard to read Historical Narrative as historical narrative?
visions as visions?
poetry as poetry
parables as parables
allegory as allegory
etc/

the Historical grammatical method comes in handy.
Zone, your position is based on the gift you've inherited; and I see truth in it, but not all truth. I was shown how and why Peter was given a vision which pertained to his way of thinking in relationship to gentiles according to the law. That purpose of the law was (and is) mishandled by those who say they keep the law. I would not have known the purpose of the law, of Peter's loyalty to the law according to the things which seemed right to him. For many years I read over that teaching (rebuke) and did not see it for lack of knowledge of the law and its purpose. This is a continual thing. I also know that I do not know all things. So when you speak boldly about anything biblical, I do not short-change you. If understanding is known as a continual direction towards our Lord's Truth, than continue to speak boldly about the things you understand today, do not short-change me.

Historical Narrative, was and is one of the major facets of understanding; but as I studied ancient culture of Egypt, I began to see how relative it is in the bible, and in part, why the country of Egypt was used to teach us something about myself. When I understood this on a personal level, with purpose I tend to speak more towards the things which are hidden.

All the things Jesus said and did is and was on a direct path; Each and every step He takes with us is the fulfillment of law and words of the prophets on a spiritual level. I have read and did not know there was more until later in my walk with Jesus.

Some people use the term 'allegory' and some use the term parable. When men write in allegory form, a type of poetry, is not the same as the language given in the New Testament.

The sacrifice of a lamb to redeem the foal of a donkey, can be found in the Old Testament; And it can be found in the New Testament; but a person cannot see this unless there is understanding that God speaks to us continually. Without understand this, God's people struggle to know what God is doing. Jesus actually speaks of this when He said that in the beginning of our walk with Him, we are/were servants to do His will, because we did/do not know what He was doing. But at a certain time in our walk with Him, Jesus calls us His friend. From the time Jesus began His ministry, to the time Jesus spoke of these things; it became self-evident that there is a higher level of understanding.

You have command of historical grammar. It is a gift. I believe you would be wrong in not standing firm. It is the epitome of parable language of being hot or cold. If a person is luke warm in their faith, not caring much one way or the other, than what you share would become utterly useless. This is one of the things I struggle with; to share in a way and time that there might be many who stop to consider the work Jesus has done, or, is about to do in the lives of those who stop to consider the witness.