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Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.

His Spirit dwells in my heart.

No, Its about God.

AMEN to that!

But it is all about me Christ in me and there is none other. It is about me and my deliverence, it is about me and my former life, it is about me and my righetiousness. It is about me applying to me that what Christ came to give me. It is all about me, AND YOU.
As I said, God dont need our help, this isnt about Him, He already knows who He is, it is about us who do not knwo who we are in Him.

As long as you do not apply these things to self, you will never know what it is to be His.
 

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AMEN to that!

But it is all about me Christ in me and there is none other. It is about me and my deliverence, it is about me and my former life, it is about me and my righetiousness. It is about me applying to me that what Christ came to give me. It is all about me, AND YOU.
As I said, God dont need our help, this isnt about Him, He already knows who He is, it is about us who do not knwo who we are in Him.

As long as you do not apply these things to self, you will never know what it is to be His.
Its about Jesus that saves me from hell.

Its about Jesus that delivered me from the evil one.

Its about Jesus changing my life.

Its about Jesus and His righteousness.

i already know who i am in Him, i am His adopted child.
 
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Its about Jesus that saves me from hell.

Its about Jesus that delivered me from the evil one.

Its about Jesus changing my life.

Its about Jesus and His righteousness.

i already know who i am in Him, i am His adopted child.

Sounds to me is is all about you. Seems I seen me, me, me, in there. But I do agree Jesus is the way WE are suposed to be.
 
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To You All ...
Your self interests will not allow Christ until you get under the domination of the Lord Himself, and then the whole attitude of the life is one of obedience to Him.

All that most of you see is how unworthy you are to be like Him and at that confession it is direct denial that He can come to you and make you His own image.

Obedience is only possible between equals; it is the relationship between father and son, not between master and servant. I and My Father are one. Though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered. So do we all who has an equal, one cant be obedient to the other if one dominates.

Your dominance will not allow Him to come and make you equal, He in you and you in Him as one. It is a matter of giving up the right to yourself and your ways before obedience can have its effect. Jesus didn’t find it robbery to be equal with God nor do I. I and my Father are one; A mutual relationship where both get the blessings there of.
 

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Sounds to me is is all about you. Seems I seen me, me, me, in there. But I do agree Jesus is the way WE are suposed to be.

Seems to me its all about Jesus loving us
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If you already believe in Jesus been the ONLY way to salvation then what is the matter?

You will inherit eternal life when you die in your body won't you?

2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
 

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To You All ...
Your self interests will not allow Christ until you get under the domination of the Lord Himself, and then the whole attitude of the life is one of obedience to Him.

All that most of you see is how unworthy you are to be like Him and at that confession it is direct denial that He can come to you and make you His own image.

Obedience is only possible between equals; it is the relationship between father and son, not between master and servant. I and My Father are one. Though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered. So do we all who has an equal, one cant be obedient to the other if one dominates.

Your dominance will not allow Him to come and make you equal, He in you and you in Him as one. It is a matter of giving up the right to yourself and your ways before obedience can have its effect. Jesus didn’t find it robbery to be equal with God nor do I. I and my Father are one; A mutual relationship where both get the blessings there of.
a servant can be obedient to his master, it is very possible so no they don't have to be equal.

No Jesus didn't because He WAS God and IS God today and tomorrow also.

You don't have the right to be equal to God because you have not come down from heaven like Jesus did.

In the next scripture it is Jesus speaking before He became flesh,

Isaiah 44:5
This is what the LORD says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last, apart from me there is no God.
 
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To You All ...
Your self interests will not allow Christ
until you get under the domination of the Lord Himself, and then the whole attitude of the life is one of obedience to Him.

All that most of you see is how unworthy you are to be like Him and at that confession it is direct denial that He can come to you and make you His own image.

Obedience is only possible between equals; it is the relationship between father and son, not between master and servant. I and My Father are one. Though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered. So do we all who has an equal, one cant be obedient to the other if one dominates.

Your dominance will not allow Him to come and make you equal, He in you and you in Him as one. It is a matter of giving up the right to yourself and your ways before obedience can have its effect. Jesus didn’t find it robbery to be equal with God nor do I. I and my Father are one; A mutual relationship where both get the blessings there of.
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Gary...truly, you are lost. I don't know who taught you this stuff, and I don't guess it matters...what DOES matter is this:

We are unworthy. Absolutely! Does the Lord save us because we deserve to be saved? Does he save us so that we can be His equals? Absolutely not.

And yet...you call yourself God's equal.

If you say you are truly one with God, and He one with you, no matter how you twist and turn your words, you are calling yourself A god, if not THE God.

I have the Spirit of Christ in me, because I cried out to Him, I believed in Him, and I accepted Him. I follow Him to the best of my ability because I love Him and am so grateful, so honored, that He loves ME- an unworthy sinner- enough to even so much as OFFER me a chance at eternal life with Him.

But I am certainly not His equal, nor shall I ever be. Nor shall you be, or anyone else.

When Christ's spirit enters us, that is a privilege, an honor, a gift- it is NOT a mark of equality.

I say all this out of concern for you, honestly I do. Before, I tended to get upset over what you said because I didn't fully understand your meaning- now I worry for you, because I DO understand your meaning. I know you probably will not change your mind, most likely you will just continue with more of the same...I pray that you open your eyes, I really do :(
 
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i'm not disagreeing with you yaright.
you're a very rare christian who looks and finds the spiritual behind the physical.
but i've seen you're not always accurate (that's okay), and this can become a dangerous practise if one isn't strictly disciplined as you are.


others try this and end up practising divination.

i'll reiterate my concern: EXAMPLE:

charismatics and latter rain (a branch of dispensationalism) proponents think the ACTUAL supernatural events of Pentecost/Acts/Corinth

1) apply to them today in every way
2) have misinterpreted what happened

and we now have a disaster in those churches.

but even this was foretold.
zone.[/QUOTE

I understand what you are saying, and the examples you've laid out are like a title head to deeper matters that cause deception to eat away at the things we know are True. My oldest son was born nearly deaf, but wasn't profound enough to get the help he needed. He and a few friends of his wanted to attend a charismatic church, and did for a period of time. Then one day the congregation was asked if there were any special needs; to come forward with them. My son went forward because of his faith in Christ, that he would be healed in the manner the church leaders said he would. They danced, they chanted and laid hands on my son, and said, "Stand and show that you are healed!" Then he told them in front of everyone that his condition had not changed. Then these monsters told him and the whole congregation that the reason my son could not hear is because he had no faith! You multiply this by hundreds and you will see the things I've seen that eat away at the truth of Christ in the churches of men.

Yes, these things were foretold; that men would say here is Christ!

I understand the concept of eating away at the truth of Christ. Not that the Truth of Christ can be destroyed; but that people gather in His name and the religions of men teach that it is not always true in those who gather in His name. My son was shamed out of church at the tender age of 14. It wasn't until I came home from prison and began to teach him the hidden ways of God that Keith would begin again to attend church (not charismatic) with his eyes opened. He has since had a rare surgery, and today he hears well according to the flesh and the Spirit. Thank You Jesus!
 
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i'm not disagreeing with you yaright.
you're a very rare christian who looks and finds the spiritual behind the physical.
but i've seen you're not always accurate (that's okay), and this can become a dangerous practise if one isn't strictly disciplined as you are.


others try this and end up practising divination.

i'll reiterate my concern: EXAMPLE:

charismatics and latter rain (a branch of dispensationalism) proponents think the ACTUAL supernatural events of Pentecost/Acts/Corinth

1) apply to them today in every way
2) have misinterpreted what happened

and we now have a disaster in those churches.

but even this was foretold.
zone.[/QUOTE

I understand what you are saying, and the examples you've laid out are like a title head to deeper matters that cause deception to eat away at the things we know are True. My oldest son was born nearly deaf, but wasn't profound enough to get the help he needed. He and a few friends of his wanted to attend a charismatic church, and did for a period of time. Then one day the congregation was asked if there were any special needs; to come forward with them. My son went forward because of his faith in Christ, that he would be healed in the manner the church leaders said he would. They danced, they chanted and laid hands on my son, and said, "Stand and show that you are healed!" Then he told them in front of everyone that his condition had not changed. Then these monsters told him and the whole congregation that the reason my son could not hear is because he had no faith! You multiply this by hundreds and you will see the things I've seen that eat away at the truth of Christ in the churches of men.

Yes, these things were foretold; that men would say here is Christ!

I understand the concept of eating away at the truth of Christ. Not that the Truth of Christ can be destroyed; but that people gather in His name and the religions of men teach that it is not always true in those who gather in His name. My son was shamed out of church at the tender age of 14. It wasn't until I came home from prison and began to teach him the hidden ways of God that Keith would begin again to attend church (not charismatic) with his eyes opened. He has since had a rare surgery, and today he hears well according to the flesh and the Spirit. Thank You Jesus!
With your confession, now we get to the heart of everything I have said.
Your sons impaired hearing was related to flesh. I have the same ailment and have lost 80% of my hearing even from a young age. And this is not about the flesh man and its imperfections; Christ is about our Spirit man and what the Spirit man hears and sees and comprahends.

The blind man Jesus healed was not related to the flesh man, one may not see or hear from his physical stance, but one can see and hear from a Spiritual stance. If one is confined to the flesh man and what it comprehends as healed, has nothing to do with the healing of the mind that Christ brings.

The blind man saw that what he didn’t see before. And many times in the word ignorance of His Spirit is related to blind. The revelation of the Christ opens ones eyes and ears to hear and see Him, that doent mean our physical body sees and hears the Christ, it means that the Spirit man hears and sees that what it didn’t hear and see before.

And I know immediately some will protest in this and I do understand their flesh mentality. But all are blind and all are deft until their eyes and ears are opened to the Christ be in you.

Those who say you have no faith in a flesh healing, has no faith that Christ can heal your mind to be one with Him and He in you as one. I have watched these guys on TV who claim they can heal your flesh and I cringe. What they do not know is the one who heals your mind … THEN all of these other things are added to you. Jesus said go … IT IS YOUR FAITH THAT MAKES THEM WHOLE.

I am so glad that your sons physical body can hear along with his Spiritual hearing.

 
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Gary...truly, you are lost. I don't know who taught you this stuff, and I don't guess it matters...what DOES matter is this:

We are unworthy. Absolutely! Does the Lord save us because we deserve to be saved? Does he save us so that we can be His equals? Absolutely not.

And yet...you call yourself God's equal.

If you say you are truly one with God, and He one with you, no matter how you twist and turn your words, you are calling yourself A god, if not THE God.

I have the Spirit of Christ in me, because I cried out to Him, I believed in Him, and I accepted Him. I follow Him to the best of my ability because I love Him and am so grateful, so honored, that He loves ME- an unworthy sinner- enough to even so much as OFFER me a chance at eternal life with Him.

But I am certainly not His equal, nor shall I ever be. Nor shall you be, or anyone else.

When Christ's spirit enters us, that is a privilege, an honor, a gift- it is NOT a mark of equality.

I say all this out of concern for you, honestly I do. Before, I tended to get upset over what you said because I didn't fully understand your meaning- now I worry for you, because I DO understand your meaning. I know you probably will not change your mind, most likely you will just continue with more of the same...I pray that you open your eyes, I really do :(
I agree with you, I am lost according to your god, but according to my God He found me and saved me and made me His own.

You are unworthy, but I am the righteousness of God in Chrst Jesus.

And no I am not calling myself a god, you are.

You are not His equal because your god will not allow to be. But my God says for me to be in Him and He in me as one.

When Christs Spirit entered me, He made made me one with Him and all of heaven was opend to me.

And you dont say all this in concern for me at all, you say all of this in concern to defend your laws for tradition where you regulate your god instead of being as He is and one with Him.

And you are right no one can take away from me that what God has put in me. You cant change my mind at all. His way is not your way.

And you pray that I will adhire to your doctrine instead of His.
 
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a servant can be obedient to his master, it is very possible so no they don't have to be equal.

No Jesus didn't because He WAS God and IS God today and tomorrow also.

You don't have the right to be equal to God because you have not come down from heaven like Jesus did.

In the next scripture it is Jesus speaking before He became flesh,

Isaiah 44:5
This is what the LORD says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last, apart from me there is no God.

Jesus is a god to the ones who do not know the God that was in that man. An dth Gd that came down from heaven into Jesus and opend heaven to that man in Matt 3:16 is the same one who came down from heaven into me and did the same in me.
 
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Seems to me its all about Jesus loving us.

If you already believe in Jesus been the ONLY way to salvation then what is the matter?

You will inherit eternal life when you die in your body won't you?

2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

I did inherit eternal life when I died and put on the Christ.
 
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I agree with you, I am lost according to your god, but according to my God He found me and saved me and made me His own.

You are unworthy, but I am the righteousness of God in Chrst Jesus.

And no I am not calling myself a god, you are.

You are not His equal because your god will not allow to be. But my God says for me to be in Him and He in me as one.

When Christs Spirit entered me, He made made me one with Him and all of heaven was opend to me.

And you dont say all this in concern for me at all, you say all of this in concern to defend your laws for tradition where you regulate your god instead of being as He is and one with Him.

And you are right no one can take away from me that what God has put in me. You cant change my mind at all. His way is not your way.

And you pray that I will adhire to your doctrine instead of His.

Have it your way. May God have mercy on your soul. Goodbye, Gary.
 
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With your confession, now we get to the heart of everything I have said.
Your sons impaired hearing was related to flesh. I have the same ailment and have lost 80% of my hearing even from a young age. And this is not about the flesh man and its imperfections; Christ is about our Spirit man and what the Spirit man hears and sees and comprahends.

The blind man Jesus healed was not related to the flesh man, one may not see or hear from his physical stance, but one can see and hear from a Spiritual stance. If one is confined to the flesh man and what it comprehends as healed, has nothing to do with the healing of the mind that Christ brings.

The blind man saw that what he didn’t see before. And many times in the word ignorance of His Spirit is related to blind. The revelation of the Christ opens ones eyes and ears to hear and see Him, that doent mean our physical body sees and hears the Christ, it means that the Spirit man hears and sees that what it didn’t hear and see before.

And I know immediately some will protest in this and I do understand their flesh mentality. But all are blind and all are deft until their eyes and ears are opened to the Christ be in you.

Those who say you have no faith in a flesh healing, has no faith that Christ can heal your mind to be one with Him and He in you as one. I have watched these guys on TV who claim they can heal your flesh and I cringe. What they do not know is the one who heals your mind … THEN all of these other things are added to you. Jesus said go … IT IS YOUR FAITH THAT MAKES THEM WHOLE.

I am so glad that your sons physical body can hear along with his Spiritual hearing.


To the extent that you've spoken of the blind man, who was blind since birth, is true with all of us. I used the term 'creation language' because Jesus uses the evidence of creation to teach us spiritual matters which we could not 'see' without the use of creation. All parable language is given this way. All laws are given this way. All words of the prophets are given this way. Everything (single) thing has a specific purpose under Heaven. I do not now all that is available (countless), but because I know this is true, I look for it according to the gift that was given to me.

The things Zone has mentioned is not without merit. The things she shares are the gift she was given. The things you share are not without merit, these are from the gift you were given. The things I share are from a gift I was given. While I was in prison, and literally being taught by the Spirit each day until I could no longer stay awake, all the things I was shown, I thought I clearly understood. But when I attempted to put these things on paper, there was an endless paper trail. I honestly do not know how many reams of paper I'd carefully written through, but there were many. Then, when I felt like I was ready to share some of these things, I encountered a problem. No one had a clue what I was saying. It sounded like gibberish to them. Some of the deacons of the prison church said I was demon possessed. So I took this to God. I know I was being taught by His Spirit, but I did not know how to share these hidden things, I needed Him to teach me how to do this. There are some who believe that all things God teaches are easily understood by the person who receives it, or they are not from God. I give personal witness; that statement is seldom true. Those who give their lives towards this, struggle, not only towards better understanding, but struggle with how to speak those words in a way that is consistent with the convicting Spirit within each of us.

When I said to Zone, "Do not short-change me." I was saying not to give up on the gift she was given; to search every possible way to show me the things that have changed in the way she sees life. This, I am saying to you. Do not short-chance me.

With all that I am, I desire to share, and I honestly struggle with this gift of the Spirit, because there is a reason why the wisdom of God is hidden in plain sight.

So if it looks like I'm being indifferent, it's only because you do not know what I am struggling with. There is no better example of this than my friend Ramon. I did not know him before I came to this site; but I sure understand the struggle.

The things we struggle with are being perfected because we do struggle; not only towards better understanding, but also a better way of expressing these things that are important to each of us. The direction of our focus changes as we grow; because in the beginning of our growth, we could not perceive the latter part of our growth.

As Jesus spoke (the Word of God) to the bind man, the blind man heard the Word of God and believed.

Much like you said, Jesus used something that we can see (the blind man), to teach us something about ourselves that we could 'not see' before; because each of us believed we could see clearly. When Jesus said, "If you say you can see, you remain in your sin." As these facets of understanding come together from within, we begin to understand why Jesus came "for those who need a Physician"
 
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i'm not disagreeing with you yaright.
you're a very rare christian who looks and finds the spiritual behind the physical.
but i've seen you're not always accurate (that's okay), and this can become a dangerous practise if one isn't strictly disciplined as you are.


others try this and end up practising divination.

i'll reiterate my concern: EXAMPLE:

charismatics and latter rain (a branch of dispensationalism) proponents think the ACTUAL supernatural events of Pentecost/Acts/Corinth

1) apply to them today in every way
2) have misinterpreted what happened

and we now have a disaster in those churches.

but even this was foretold.
zone.
Zone, I'm still wrestling with both parts (one and two). It's an unfortunate thing that some have chosen to take something spiritual, and mold it into doctrines of a religion, as if it is a common thing known only within the confines of that religion.

The fire on the tongue seems to be the Spirit's work in the things they spoke in a manner of all languages. One of the facets seems to be that the Spirit will not be denied in any language; And I see this is true for anyone of any country who seeks the living God. When I prayed to God to forgive me, and to teach me the things I couldn't possibly know without Him, immediate He sent His Son, the Word of God. And through the language I understand, He began teaching me creation language.

I'd appreciate it if you'd share your own witness of both items (1 and 2). What is it you want to share concerning these? I know it means a lot to you on a personal level. Please share it from that perspective so that I can understand.
 
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i'm not disagreeing with you yaright.
you're a very rare christian who looks and finds the spiritual behind the physical.
but i've seen you're not always accurate (that's okay), and this can become a dangerous practise if one isn't strictly disciplined as you are.


others try this and end up practising divination.

i'll reiterate my concern: EXAMPLE:

charismatics and latter rain (a branch of dispensationalism) proponents think the ACTUAL supernatural events of Pentecost/Acts/Corinth

1) apply to them today in every way
2) have misinterpreted what happened

and we now have a disaster in those churches.

but even this was foretold.
zone.[/QUOTE

I understand what you are saying, and the examples you've laid out are like a title head to deeper matters that cause deception to eat away at the things we know are True. My oldest son was born nearly deaf, but wasn't profound enough to get the help he needed. He and a few friends of his wanted to attend a charismatic church, and did for a period of time. Then one day the congregation was asked if there were any special needs; to come forward with them. My son went forward because of his faith in Christ, that he would be healed in the manner the church leaders said he would. They danced, they chanted and laid hands on my son, and said, "Stand and show that you are healed!" Then he told them in front of everyone that his condition had not changed. Then these monsters told him and the whole congregation that the reason my son could not hear is because he had no faith! You multiply this by hundreds and you will see the things I've seen that eat away at the truth of Christ in the churches of men.

Yes, these things were foretold; that men would say here is Christ!

I understand the concept of eating away at the truth of Christ. Not that the Truth of Christ can be destroyed; but that people gather in His name and the religions of men teach that it is not always true in those who gather in His name. My son was shamed out of church at the tender age of 14. It wasn't until I came home from prison and began to teach him the hidden ways of God that Keith would begin again to attend church (not charismatic) with his eyes opened. He has since had a rare surgery, and today he hears well according to the flesh and the Spirit. Thank You Jesus!
Wow..great news ...blessed to hear.
 
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Zone, I'm still wrestling with both parts (one and two). It's an unfortunate thing that some have chosen to take something spiritual, and mold it into doctrines of a religion, as if it is a common thing known only within the confines of that religion.

The fire on the tongue seems to be the Spirit's work in the things they spoke in a manner of all languages. One of the facets seems to be that the Spirit will not be denied in any language; And I see this is true for anyone of any country who seeks the living God. When I prayed to God to forgive me, and to teach me the things I couldn't possibly know without Him, immediate He sent His Son, the Word of God. And through the language I understand, He began teaching me creation language.

I'd appreciate it if you'd share your own witness of both items (1 and 2). What is it you want to share concerning these? I know it means a lot to you on a personal level. Please share it from that perspective so that I can understand.

Until the same happen in you, you will never really know what happend in these will you? All you will do is speculate according to that what you do know. It is that what you dont know and have not experienced why these are in error to you. It is strange to you is all. Doent mean it didnt happen or doesnt happen in others, it only means it hasnt happend in you.
 

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Until the same happen in you, you will never really know what happend in these will you? All you will do is speculate according to that what you do know. It is that what you dont know and have not experienced why these are in error to you. It is strange to you is all. Doent mean it didnt happen or doesnt happen in others, it only means it hasnt happend in you.
People will always see it as strange because its not scriptural.

Gary says,

1. The 2nd coming of Christ has already come.

2. Jesus was a mere man like you and i and was God incarnate in Matthew 3:16 just as you are now.

3. God's is not a place or paradise thus His nowhere to be found because it is in you.


The Word says,

1. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Matthew 24:27)
Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. (2 Thessalonians 2:3)
But about that day or hour no one knows
, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (Matthew 24:36)

2. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.(John 1:1-2)
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1:14)

3. I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth, such an one caught up to the third heaven. (2 Corinthians 12:2)
This, then, is how you should pray: Our Father in heaven,hallowed be your name
. (Matthew 6:9)
And he said unto Jesus,
Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.(Luke 23:42-43)
 
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To the extent that you've spoken of the blind man, who was blind since birth, is true with all of us. I used the term 'creation language' because Jesus uses the evidence of creation to teach us spiritual matters which we could not 'see' without the use of creation. All parable language is given this way. All laws are given this way. All words of the prophets are given this way. Everything (single) thing has a specific purpose under Heaven. I do not now all that is available (countless), but because I know this is true, I look for it according to the gift that was given to me.

The things Zone has mentioned is not without merit. The things she shares are the gift she was given. The things you share are not without merit, these are from the gift you were given. The things I share are from a gift I was given. While I was in prison, and literally being taught by the Spirit each day until I could no longer stay awake, all the things I was shown, I thought I clearly understood. But when I attempted to put these things on paper, there was an endless paper trail. I honestly do not know how many reams of paper I'd carefully written through, but there were many. Then, when I felt like I was ready to share some of these things, I encountered a problem. No one had a clue what I was saying. It sounded like gibberish to them. Some of the deacons of the prison church said I was demon possessed. So I took this to God. I know I was being taught by His Spirit, but I did not know how to share these hidden things, I needed Him to teach me how to do this. There are some who believe that all things God teaches are easily understood by the person who receives it, or they are not from God. I give personal witness; that statement is seldom true. Those who give their lives towards this, struggle, not only towards better understanding, but struggle with how to speak those words in a way that is consistent with the convicting Spirit within each of us.

When I said to Zone, "Do not short-change me." I was saying not to give up on the gift she was given; to search every possible way to show me the things that have changed in the way she sees life. This, I am saying to you. Do not short-chance me.

With all that I am, I desire to share, and I honestly struggle with this gift of the Spirit, because there is a reason why the wisdom of God is hidden in plain sight.

So if it looks like I'm being indifferent, it's only because you do not know what I am struggling with. There is no better example of this than my friend Ramon. I did not know him before I came to this site; but I sure understand the struggle.

The things we struggle with are being perfected because we do struggle; not only towards better understanding, but also a better way of expressing these things that are important to each of us. The direction of our focus changes as we grow; because in the beginning of our growth, we could not perceive the latter part of our growth.

As Jesus spoke (the Word of God) to the bind man, the blind man heard the Word of God and believed.

Much like you said, Jesus used something that we can see (the blind man), to teach us something about ourselves that we could 'not see' before; because each of us believed we could see clearly. When Jesus said, "If you say you can see, you remain in your sin." As these facets of understanding come together from within, we begin to understand why Jesus came "for those who need a Physician"

Yes Christ opens things we could not see before. I asked Christ into my life in Nov 1974. I did all the things the church demanded of me, musician, youth pastor, deacon, elder and spent the last 25 years of my church days in prison ministry counseling.

I was the three piece suit guy with my big ole black bible and a hand full of tracts out to save the world, and you know the type. In the mid 90s I went into a prison at Iowa Park Texas just north of Wichita Falls and took about ten of the men from the church who had never done anything like this before. Had my suit, my big ole black bible, sack full of tracts, and I was ready to go. We were to meet some other guys from other ministries and were cleared to go to lockdown.

AT the muster point I could hear the roar of motorcycles and about twenty five bikers were circlying the unit making as much noise as they could, yelling and revving their engines. My thoughs was who are these idiots, was it a protest, what was it?

To my surprise these bikers entered the staging point where we were to get our assignments. To find out these bikers were here to witness the Christ. My thoughts were these guys need to get saved themselves, beard, tattoos, chains leathers, everything associated to the like.

The guy who was in charge of the meeting begin to pare us up two by two. I was concerned with the people I brought because they clung to me like little kids in a strange place not knowing what to expect or do. To my surprise I was pared with one of these bikers, and we all went to our designated blocks.

He had a long beard and hair, leather jacket with Jesus on the back, chains, biker cap, and we decided he would start on one end of the block and I on the other and meet in the middle. The first guy I came to looked at me, took his sheet and rolled up in it like a cocoon, covered his head and lay on his bunk facing the wall . I figured that was a good sign he didn’t want to talk to me.

We went from cell to cell and met in the middle and then the biker guy went to the one who rejected me and begin his witness and eventually the guy confessed Christ as lord. When he was done I went back to the guy and asked.

“Why would you talk to him and not I.” And his reply was blunt. “I cant relate to you … you are to clean!”

From that day forward my life in Christ changed, I saw myself. Everything I thought that I am was but filthy rags. I was so holy I was no good to God or anyone. I shucked the suit, I shucked the deacon, I shuked the elder and went into a wilderness. I let my hair grow to the center of my back and haven’t owned a suit sense then. My witness after that to inmates made a 180 degree turn winding up making some very good friends behind bars. Didn’t matter if they followed the way of Christ or not, that is not my concern that is Gods, my concern is to be the best friend I can be no matter who or what one may be.

We look into a mirror darkly and see an image of a man or woman trying to portray a Godly image in an outward appearance with his beautiful suit and big ole bible upholding the law. Once that image is broken and we see who we really are and we look into that same mirror we see a son of God.

A lot of people in this forum and out are much like the guy in the three piece suit. Wanting to look good and be their best for God and uphold the laws of the church but doing so without the blessings of Christ be in them.

I hear their testimonies and they hear mine. One says you have to speak in tongues, another says it passed away. On says you have to be dunked in water, another says you don’t, one says you have to give tithes, another says you don’t. And it goes on and on for laws for tradition which are designed to hold you to mans doctrines instead of Christ’s. But I can tell you from experience, once Christ enters your being, all these childish and foolish antiques are out the window and you put on His nature, His mind, and live in the life of His deity He puts within. We become His everything and in this is where God resides, not in these laws for tradition that are designed to regulate God. And in this my eyes and ears are opend.