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People will always see it as strange because its not scriptural.

Gary says,

1. The 2nd coming of Christ has already come.

2. Jesus was a mere man like you and i and was God incarnate in Matthew 3:16 just as you are now.

3. God's is not a place or paradise thus His nowhere to be found because it is in you.


The Word says,

1. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Matthew 24:27)
Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. (2 Thessalonians 2:3)
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (Matthew 24:36)

2. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.(John 1:1-2)
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1:14)

3. I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth, such an one caught up to the third heaven. (2 Corinthians 12:2)
This, then, is how you should pray: Our Father in heaven,hallowed be your name. (Matthew 6:9)
And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.(Luke 23:42-43)

Not scriptural to you because you follow a different path from the One who does come and makes His abode in you and shows you His way for you. He really is the way. The way you are suposed to be.
 
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Until the same happen in you, you will never really know what happend in these will you? All you will do is speculate according to that what you do know. It is that what you dont know and have not experienced why these are in error to you. It is strange to you is all. Doent mean it didnt happen or doesnt happen in others, it only means it hasnt happend in you.
I have spoken clearly of spiritual matters. I have given you an opportunity to express how the Spirit has worked in your life on a personal level. I have nothing more to say to you. I have nothing more to hear from you because you have short-changed me with your unbelief; and you like it that way.
 
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I have spoken clearly of spiritual matters. I have given you an opportunity to express how the Spirit has worked in your life on a personal level. I have nothing more to say to you. I have nothing more to hear from you because you have short-changed me with your unbelief; and you like it that way.

As I said. Only because you havent experienced a certain thing doent mean others havent, it only means you havent. And all you want is for others to see it as you do which is short change.

Open your understand to what another might have experiences, especially Jesus when experienced the same thing in Matt 3:16 that the 120 did in an upper room, and Paul on the road to Damascus, and Moses, and Abraham, and all of us who did recieve this from God.
 

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As I said. Only because you havent experienced a certain thing doent mean others havent, it only means you havent. And all you want is for others to see it as you do which is short change.

Open your understand to what another might have experiences, especially Jesus when experienced the same thing in Matt 3:16 that the 120 did in an upper room, and Paul on the road to Damascus, and Moses, and Abraham, and all of us who did recieve this from God.
Any one can lie about just anything or a experience and making others feel less important because apparently they have not experienced what you have.

i am sorry for you because even if you can say the same thing over and over a x100 000 times i will still not believe anything else about Spiritual things you say if it's not in scripture or feel like "oh my goodness i haven't had an experience as you have!!!" but do you honestly think i care? i know who i am in Christ, i am God's adopted son.

And why am i not concerned about you having an "godly experience" and me not? Why? i will tell you why it is because we have tried you and have found you not true.

You seem to be stuck on Matthew 3:16 (so by the way there are dozens of other scripture that Jesus is the Almighty God, fully God, fully man.. but as i said Jesus was already God before He was vindicated by the Holy Spirit in Matthew 3:16.. which is His own by the way.

Christians of nobel character will simply not believe everything you say because they too try them with scripture.


Paul received the Holy Spirit on His way to Damascus.


All the prophets in the old testament did not have the Holy Spirit as an eye opening, they believed in God and had faith by nature and because of that they had to be circumcised as a covenant between them and God.

Now we have the Holy Spirit by faith through grace in Jesus Christ as a new covenant between us and God.


No more circumcision required.


The Holy Spirit only came after Jesus ascension just over 2000 years ago.
 
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Any one can lie about just anything or a experience and making others feel less important because apparently they have not experienced what you have.

i am sorry for you because even if you can say the same thing over and over a x100 000 times i will still not believe anything else about Spiritual things you say if it's not in scripture or feel like "oh my goodness i haven't had an experience as you have!!!" but do you honestly think i care? i know who i am in Christ, i am God's adopted son.

And why am i not concerned about you having an "godly experience" and me not? Why? i will tell you why it is because we have tried you and have found you not true.

You seem to be stuck on Matthew 3:16 (so by the way there are dozens of other scripture that Jesus is the Almighty God, fully God, fully man.. but as i said Jesus was already God before He was vindicated by the Holy Spirit in Matthew 3:16.. which is His own by the way.

Christians of nobel character will simply not believe everything you say because they too try them with scripture.

Paul received the Holy Spirit on His way to Damascus.

All the prophets in the old testament did not have the Holy Spirit as an eye opening, they believed in God and had faith by nature and because of that they had to be circumcised as a covenant between them and God.

Now we have the Holy Spirit by faith through grace in Jesus Christ as a new covenant between us and God.


No more circumcision required.

The Holy Spirit only came after Jesus ascension just over 2000 years ago.
They try them with their own understanding. Jesus was tried the same way. Those who found Jesus guilty didnt see their error either and he said the same things for himself that I have said to you all. These didnt see what they were doing either. All they could see is what law for tradition teaches them. I understand your laws for tradition very well. Been there! What you don’t understand is same Spirit in you who was in Christ Jesus. Christ in you same as He was in Jesus. That is what is lacking in your understanding. If you had His same Spirit in you, your confession would be that of Jesus, same as he. but instead you condemn anyone who does have the same as Jesus had.
 
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To all responding to this man--

It's only adding fuel to his fire, and I know it's your choice whether you continue or not, I just would recommend getting clear away from what he is teaching. Don't help him continue to spread this junk. I understand you want to help him see things clearly, but he's been exposed to the Truth and he's ignoring it and all that can happen from here is for people to waste their energy on the matter, casting pearls before swine...
 
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To all responding to this man--

It's only adding fuel to his fire, and I know it's your choice whether you continue or not, I just would recommend getting clear away from what he is teaching. Don't help him continue to spread this junk. I understand you want to help him see things clearly, but he's been exposed to the Truth and he's ignoring it and all that can happen from here is for people to waste their energy on the matter, casting pearls before swine...
Heveans yes get away from Christ be in you, it just might make you that what God sent Him for.
 

cronjecj

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They try them with their own understanding. Jesus was tried the same way. Those who found Jesus guilty didnt see their error either and he said the same things for himself that I have said to you all. These didnt see what they were doing either. All they could see is what law for tradition teaches them. I understand your laws for tradition very well. Been there! What you don’t understand is same Spirit in you who was in Christ Jesus. Christ in you same as He was in Jesus. That is what is lacking in your understanding. If you had His same Spirit in you, your confession would be that of Jesus, same as he. but instead you condemn anyone who does have the same as Jesus had.
They try them with scripture.

Because they that tried Him had a lack of knowledge. Moses, David and Isaiah wrote about Jesus in scripture.

They have found Jesus guilty because they did not had a love for truth and once again the fore coming of Jesus was in scripture.

i do not have laws for tradition, i simply try them with scripture.
 

cronjecj

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To all responding to this man--

It's only adding fuel to his fire, and I know it's your choice whether you continue or not, I just would recommend getting clear away from what he is teaching. Don't help him continue to spread this junk. I understand you want to help him see things clearly, but he's been exposed to the Truth and he's ignoring it and all that can happen from here is for people to waste their energy on the matter, casting pearls before swine...
 
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They try them with scripture.

Because they that tried Him had a lack of knowledge. Moses, David and Isaiah wrote about Jesus in scripture.

They have found Jesus guilty because they did not had a love for truth and once again the fore coming of Jesus was in scripture.

i do not have laws for tradition, i simply try them with scripture.

That is what i said, because lack of knowledge is Christ tried. And if you tried them by scripture you would see to have the same Spirit in you who was in Christ Jesus, and same mind who was in Christ Jesus, and walk as he walks, same everything God sent Christ to give you. Something critical is missing in your interpretations of scripture. Christ in you is the only way you will understand that what is missing. What is missing is His power to perform in you that what He is able. You condemn me for lack in His truths for you.
 

cronjecj

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That is what i said, because lack of knowledge is Christ tried. And if you tried them by scripture you would see to have the same Spirit in you who was in Christ Jesus, and same mind who was in Christ Jesus, and walk as he walks, same everything God sent Christ to give you. Something critical is missing in your interpretations of scripture. Christ in you is the only way you will understand that what is missing. What is missing is His power to perform in you that what He is able. You condemn me for lack in His truths for you.

They did not try Christ with scripture but with their laws and tradition. If they have tried Him with scripture they would have found Christ true.


If their is something critical in my interpretations let someones speak up.

What is missing is the picking up the cross and follow Him.


i do not condemn you, you are free to believe as you will. The truth is this: Jesus Christ is the King and there is no other like Him, and the King gave up His life so that we might live.
 
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They did not try Christ with scripture but with their laws and tradition. If they have tried Him with scripture they would have found Christ true.

If their is something critical in my interpretations let someones speak up.

What is missing is the picking up the cross and follow Him.

i do not condemn you, you are free to believe as you will. The truth is this: Jesus Christ is the King and there is no other like Him, and the King gave up His life so that we might live.
They read the same one you do. Only difference is the one written after these events. Same Livitical laws, same Torah.

And yes what is missing is to pick up that cross and continue where he left off, let this same mind be in you, let this same Spirit be in you, walk as He walks. That is what is missing in most who claim to follow Him. They say they do but are not like Him at all. And even confess they never could be like Him which is contrary to everything Christ says we are to be.
 

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They read the same one you do. Only difference is the one written after these events. Same Livitical laws, same Torah.

And yes what is missing is to pick up that cross and continue where he left off, let this same mind be in you, let this same Spirit be in you, walk as He walks. That is what is missing in most who claim to follow Him. They say they do but are not like Him at all. And even confess they never could be like Him which is contrary to everything Christ says we are to be.

Do you believe Jesus Christ is the Father also?
 
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Do you believe Jesus Christ is the Father also?
Oh no, not at all. He was Son of God, that always was his confession. Man made him a god. If you have sons, which one of them is your father?
 

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Oh no, not at all. He was Son of God, that always was his confession. Man made him a god. If you have sons, which one of them is your father?
Jesus said the following,

John 10:30
I and the Father are one.


God does not think like man. In this case the son and the Father are one, one God forever.

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Do you believe Jesus Christ is the savior of the world?
 

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Do you believe Jesus Christ is the Father also?
Oh no, not at all. He was Son of God, that always was his confession. Man made him a god. If you have sons, which one of them is your father?
John 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins
 
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yaright

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To all responding to this man--

It's only adding fuel to his fire, and I know it's your choice whether you continue or not, I just would recommend getting clear away from what he is teaching. Don't help him continue to spread this junk. I understand you want to help him see things clearly, but he's been exposed to the Truth and he's ignoring it and all that can happen from here is for people to waste their energy on the matter, casting pearls before swine...
good advice
 
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Jesus said the following,

John 10:30
I and the Father are one.

God does not think like man. In this case the son and the Father are one, one God forever.

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Do you believe Jesus Christ is the savior of the world?

I and my Father are one as well, He in me and In Him are one. And you are correct, God does not think as the flesh man thinks. The flesh man relates to a god of flesh, a man, God relates to a God of PSirit and has made His abode in man.

Oh yes there is no salvation outside of Christ, He comes and makes His abode in you and renews the mind to think in terms he thinks in, let this same mind be in you who was in Christ Jesus.

Salvation simply is Gods SPirit manifest in your mortal flesh.
 
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John 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins

That is correct, if you do not believe that God sent the Christ to give you His way and take away your sin, you will die in them for sure and if you are in sin you are dead to Christ already. For He does come and takes away the sins of this world. 1 John 3:5-9. Christ kills the sin, sin kills the CHrist.