Hi,
Trofimus said, in post 241:
Quote: I do not say that the Son is identical with the Father. I say that the Son is from the Father and so united with Him that they can be called "God" together (with the Holy Spirit). That they must be seen as one (from our point of view).
John 1:1 is saying it quite completely - Logos is not
the God (who is obviously Father), but was with God (i.e. with Father) from the beginning and is so united with the God (i.e. with Father) - in his bossom - that the Logos
is God.
NWL said in post 243:
Quote:
You say
"Logos is not the God (who is obviously Father), but was with God (i.e. with Father)" but where in the context does it say the first theos was referring to the Father?
--- In the Interlinear Greek English New Testament it says in John 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God (Theov) and the Word was God (Theos) --- or God (Theos) was the Word.
2 This one was in the beginning with God (Theov)
--- We find this again in verse 18 and this is the literal translation :
18 God (Theov) no man has seen never; [the] only begotten God (Theos), the [one] being in the bosom of the Father that one declared [him].
I asked our Bible teacher who knows Hebrew and Greek about two Gods and the Greek spelling of Theov, and Theos. (While nobody wants to admit to there being two Gods), he said, “Theos is subject to Theov.”
So the Word, Theos, was with God, Theov, in the beginning. --- in 18 ‘no one has seen (Almighty) God, Theov, but ‘the only begotten God, Theos, he has declared Him.’
The different versions make God and Son interchangeable.
NKJV says, Only begotten Son* --- to a footnote that says ‘God.’
NASB says, Only begotten God* --- ‘some later manuscripts say Son’
NIV says No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and* is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. * Some manuscripts say, ‘but only Son who’
Amplified Bible says, No man has ever seen God at any time;
the only unique Son,
or the only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him.
--- So this shows that the Word is the ‘only begotten God’ or the ‘only begotten Son of God.’