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GodisONE

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Please study the baptism of Christ, which shows three distinct divine persons involved. Just like in your family the father cannot be the Son, so in the Godhead each divine Person is distinct, yet they are all one God. This is the Mystery of God, so human reason does not prevail.


it would not let me copy/paste onto your quote. but I copy/pasted actual FACTS pertaining to Matthew 28:19.

you are going to LEARN the original Matthew 28:19 had Yeshua telling His Disciples to baptize in HIS NAME ONLY!!

the unholy trinity was added in the 2nd century by the Catholics. the trinity NEVER CAME FROM THE MOUTH OF YESHUA!!

you are baptizing not from the command of GOD, but the command of the Catholic church when you baptize trinity hahahahahaha they really have fooled millions of people!!
 

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Please study the baptism of Christ, which shows three distinct divine persons involved. Just like in your family the father cannot be the Son, so in the Godhead each divine Person is distinct, yet they are all one God. This is the Mystery of God, so human reason does not prevail.

@Nehemiah6,

I HOPE YOU ENJOY TRUTHFUL FACTS!!


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The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263:

"The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century."


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Edmund Schlink, The Doctrine of Baptism, page 28:

"The baptismal command in its Matthew 28:19 form can not be the historical origin of Christian baptism. At the very least, it must be assumed that the text has been transmitted in a form expanded by the [Catholic] church."


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The Bible Commentary 1919 page 723:

Dr. Peake makes it clear that: "The command to baptize into the threefold name is a late doctrinal expansion. Instead of the words baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost we should probably read simply-"into My Name."


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The Catholic University of America in Washington, D. C. 1923, New Testament Studies Number 5:

The Lord's Command To Baptize An Historical Critical Investigation. By Bernard Henry Cuneo page 27. "The passages in Acts and the Letters of St. Paul. These passages seem to point to the earliest form as baptism in the name of the Lord." Also we find. "Is it possible to reconcile these facts with the belief that Christ commanded his disciples to baptize in the trine form? Had Christ given such a command, it is urged, the Apostolic Church would have followed him, and we should have some trace of this obedience in the New Testament. No such trace can be found. The only explanation of this silence, according to the anti-traditional view, is this the short christological (Jesus Name) formula was (the) original, and the longer trine formula was a later development."


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"The Demonstratio Evangelica" by Eusebius:

Eusebius was the Church historian and Bishop of Caesarea. On page 152 Eusebius quotes the early book of Matthew that he had in his library in Caesarea. According to this eyewitness of an unaltered Book of Matthew that could have been the original book or the first copy of the original of Matthew. Eusebius informs us of Jesus' actual words to his disciples in the original text of Matthew 28:19: "With one word and voice He said to His disciples: "Go, and make disciples of all nations in My Name, teaching them to observe all things whatsover I have commanded you." That "Name" is Jesus.


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James Moffett's New Testament Translation:

In a footnote on page 64 about Matthew 28:19 he makes this statement: "It may be that this (Trinitarian) formula, so far as the fullness of its expression is concerned, is a reflection of the (Catholic) liturgical usage established later in the primitive (Catholic) community, It will be remembered that Acts speaks of baptizing "in the name of Jesus, cf. Acts 1:5 +."


(7) [THIS ONE IS IMPRESSIVE BECAUSE THIS MAN BECAME THE CATHOLIC POPE AFTER ADMITTING THE CATHOLICS CHANGED THE VERSE FROM ...BAPTIZE IN MY NAME...to the unholy trinity!!

Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger:

He makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. "The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome." The Trinity baptism and text of Matthew 28:19 therefore did not originate from the original Church that started in Jerusalem around AD 33. It was rather as the evidence proves a later invention of Roman Catholicism completely fabricated. Very few know about these historical facts.










basically what these are stating: the ORIGINAL Matthew 28:19 stated from Yeshua to baptize in HIS NAME ONLY.
the 12 Disciples used Acts 2:38 like Peter preached on day of Pentecost to Baptize in NAME of YESHUA.
the early church baptized in the NAME of YESHUA.

and then the CATHOLIC CHURCH changed it in 2nd century to the unholy trinity!!


that is a FACT!!
 

trofimus

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Some verses about Jesus being specially begotten:

“You are my Son, today I have begotten you” Heb 5:5
"God has sent His only begotten Son into the world" 1J 4:9
"For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son" J 3:16
"No one has ever seen God; the only begotten God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known." J 1:18
 

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THIS BIT OF INFORMATION IS TRULY SPECIAL!!

LOOK WHERE I HAVE ADDED (((())))...IT HAS THE SOON TO BE POPE TELLING US THAT THE TRINITY BAPTISM IS LITERALLY A FABRICATION/LIE HAHAHAHAHA

(7) [THIS ONE IS IMPRESSIVE BECAUSE THIS MAN BECAME THE CATHOLIC POPE AFTER ADMITTING THE CATHOLICS CHANGED THE VERSE FROM ...BAPTIZE IN MY NAME...to the unholy trinity!!

Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger:

He makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. "The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome." The Trinity baptism and text of Matthew 28:19 therefore did not originate from the original Church that started in Jerusalem around AD 33. It was rather as the evidence proves a later invention of Roman Catholicism ((((completely fabricated)))). Very few know about these historical facts.


see bottom line:
he states COMPLETELY FABRICATED is the TRINITY BAPTISM hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha too funny!!
 

trofimus

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but God is simple.
Yeah, like I am simple for a bacteria.

NOWHERE does it say we have to believe upon the Holy Spirit like we are taught to believe upon Yeshua [physical appearance representing the invisible Father]. and, it calls the Holy Spirit a GIFT.
Because its a faith in jesus Christ that saves us. His death on the cross and the final resurrection is the way of our salvation.
But in baptism you are baptised into/in the name of Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.

so, if the Holy Spirit is an actual PERSON of GOD, how is it possible for a person to live in every believer and also be a body in heaven?
How is it possible for Jesus to be in heaven and to live in every believer? God is not limited by our spacetime and by our 4 dimensions.


here is the Father speaking:
3 ADONAI said, "My Spirit will not live in human beings forever, for they too are flesh; therefore their life span is to be 120 years." (notice capital S in Spirit = Holy Spirit)...
this verse is clear about the PERSON of GOD claiming His personal Spirit (Holy Spirit) lives in us.
this verse makes it absolutely clear that the Holy Spirit [[is not]] a person of the trinity, but rather is the personal Spirit of God.
this verse proves there is no trinity!!
I am not following you, here. We are living, because our earthly bodies have his breath of life.
"And God formed the man of dust of the earth, and breathed upon his face the breath of life, and the man became a living soul." Gn 2:7
"And the Lord God said, my breath will not be in these men for ever, because they are just flesh. Let their days be 120 years." Gn 6:3


Not every use of "spirit, breath, wind" (which is one word) must mean the Holy Spirit, the person of the Trinity and His special living in believers.
 

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Please study the baptism of Christ, which shows three distinct divine persons involved. Just like in your family the father cannot be the Son, so in the Godhead each divine Person is distinct, yet they are all one God. This is the Mystery of God, so human reason does not prevail.
How are you going to convince me that they were 3 persons in one being when we can see that one being was standing in the water getting baptized and another being descending in the form of a dove and yet another being speaking from heaven making them 3?

You misrepresent the bible with human philosophy. From what is recorded, only John the baptist saw that because it is written ".. you are my beloved son, with you i'm well pleased.." meaning that only Jesus was being addressed; but John also said he witnessed and gave the reason why he witnessed:

John 1:
29The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! 30This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ 31I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel.”

32Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him.33And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ 34I have seen and I testify that this is God’s Chosen One.

John's mandate was to identify the Messiah and he did. That passage doesn't prove 3 persons in one being, it just shows the understanding between the authorities of God- it is symbolic of how the son gets glorified by the Father but to John, the Messiah was identified. The people around did not witness it (arguably).
 

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Yeah, like I am simple for a bacteria.
even though science tells us we are nothing but energy, we are in fact millions of particles of bacteria. but this is how God created us so we would decay at death. it is this bacteria that breaks our flesh down back to the literal earth.


Because its a faith in jesus Christ that saves us. His death on the cross and the final resurrection is the way of our salvation.
But in baptism you are baptised into/in the name of Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.
I was baptized like Yeshua taught His disciples in the original Matthew 28:19 before the Roman Catholics changed it, and how Peter instructed them in Acts 2:38...in the NAME of YESHUA!!


How is it possible for Jesus to be in heaven and to live in every believer? God is not limited by our spacetime and by our 4 dimensions.
I completely agree. the Fact God can do ALL THINGS is the biggest reason I believe in the ONENESS!!




I am not following you, here. We are living, because our earthly bodies have his breath of life.
"And God formed the man of dust of the earth, and breathed upon his face the breath of life, and the man became a living soul." Gn 2:7
"And the Lord God said, my breath will not be in these men for ever, because they are just flesh. Let their days be 120 years." Gn 6:3


Not every use of "spirit, breath, wind" (which is one word) must mean the Holy Spirit, the person of the Trinity and His special living in believers.

I definitely agree with you here 100%

but, the general practice is when certain words begin with capital letters it refers to God...

Spirit = Holy Spirit
Lord = God
Angel of God = the person of Christ before He was known as Christ
and so forth...
 

trofimus

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I was baptized like Yeshua taught His disciples in the original Matthew 28:19 before the Roman Catholics changed it, and how Peter instructed them in Acts 2:38...in the NAME of YESHUA!!
They answered, "No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit." So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?" Acts 19:5

Can you explain to me why was Paul asking about the baptism, when they said they have never heard of the Holy Spirit? Is it not because of this:
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" Mat 28:19
 

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Acts 19:5
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.



2 He said unto them*, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him*, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

nice try!!
 

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Acts 19:5
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.



2 He said unto them*, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him*, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

nice try!!
this is speaking of John's baptism, not Yeshua's

but notice verse 5 Paul clearly baptizes them in the NAME OF YESHUA!!
 

trofimus

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Can you answer my question? Why, when they said they do not know about the Holy Spirit, Paul automatically asked them "So, what baptism you were baptised, then"?
 

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that translation is the Complete Jewish Bible [CJB] version!!
But I was asking what "that interpreted to mean the lifespan of man would be 120 years or that the flood would occur within 120 years of the time at which Genesis 6:3 occurred or rather said what it is written was said?"
 

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Acts 19:5
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.



2 He said unto them*, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him*, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

nice try!!
The name of Jesus means Father/Son/Holy spirit- These are authorities of God at different levels, they are not persons.
 

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They answered, "No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit." So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?" Acts 19:5

Can you explain to me why was Paul asking about the baptism, when they said they have never heard of the Holy Spirit? Is it not because of this:
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" Mat 28:19


Paul is confused why if they were baptized they did not receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. and you obviously do not get that gift by baptizing trinity because we know verse 5 Paul baptized them in NAME of YESHUA so they could now receive the Holy Spirit.

you are twisting scripture here: SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOU!!



you left out verses that explained they were baptized by John and then added the ROMAN CATHOLIC Matthew 28:19 hahahahahaha
you are a deceiver!!
 

trofimus

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Paul is confused why if they were baptized they did not receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

you are twisting scripture here: SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOU!!
hahahahahaha you are a deceiver!!
Please, calm down and read properly. They said "we have neve heard of the Holy Spirit" and Paul reacted "what baptism you have been baptised, then"?

Its about knowledge of the name of the Holy Spirit, not about receiving a power of God.
 

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But I was asking what "that interpreted to mean the lifespan of man would be 120 years or that the flood would occur within 120 years of the time at which Genesis 6:3 occurred or rather said what it is written was said?"

we don't read many pople after the flood growing to 120 years old. this definitely must predate the flood!!
 

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Please, calm down and read properly. They said "we have neve heard of the Holy Spirit" and Paul reacted "what baptism you have been baptised, then"?

Its about knowledge of the name of the Holy Spirit, not about receiving a power of God.


no it's not. the upper Room took place several chapters before this where they all received the Holy Spirit. it's the UPPER ROOM where everyone gained knowledge of the Holy Spirit except the Disciples...Yeshua breathed on them and said to receive the Holy Spirit.

clearly, if those men were baptized in NAME of YESHUA like Paul does in verse 5, they would have not only known of the Holy Spirit, but would have received the Holy Spirit.

and...it proves there was no TRINITY [because Holy Spirit would have been in that formula that came 200 years later] baptizing going on because in those days it would have spread. they clearly were only baptizing in John's way and the Christians were being baptized in NAME of YESHUA ONLY!!
 

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The name of Jesus means Father/Son/Holy spirit- These are authorities of God at different levels, they are not persons.

AMEN!!

I call them manifestations of God!!
 

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no it's not. the upper Room took place several chapters before this where they all received the Holy Spirit. it's the UPPER ROOM where everyone gained knowledge of the Holy Spirit except the Disciples...Yeshua breathed on them and said to receive the Holy Spirit.

clearly, if those men were baptized in NAME of YESHUA like Paul does in verse 5, they would have not only known of the Holy Spirit, but would have received the Holy Spirit.

and...it proves there was no TRINITY baptizing going on because in those days it would have spread. they clearly were only baptizing in John's way and the Christians were being baptized in NAME of YESHUA ONLY!!
You are still avoiding my question. Why Paul reacted in the way he did?

They answered, "No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit." So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?" Acts 19:3
 

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You are still avoiding my question. Why Paul reacted in the way he did?

They answered, "No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit." So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?" Acts 19:3


I did answer. Paul knew these men were not baptized in NAME of YESHUA because they did not know of or have the Holy Spirit. so he asked. and knowing the intelligence of Paul, he knew they were baptized by John.

but verse 5 proves that Paul baptized people in NAME of YESHUA, so he would not have ever thought of the trinity way, since that doesn't happen for another 200 years!!